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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/1/2007 10:11:47 PM   
popeye1250


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They couldn't care less about the American People and they help big businesses.
Ted "Coctail" Kennedy would be the same way.

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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/4/2007 4:55:33 PM   
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This is what happens when we elect wealthy people from wealthy families to public office.
They couldn't care less about the American People and they help big businesses.
Ted "Coctail" Kennedy would be the same way.


i think they should all be given equal air time no more for champaigning


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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/4/2007 11:52:38 PM   
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Iran may have 30 year old F-14s, but even if they get / make spare parts for them, we never sold them the weapons systems comparable to what we use.


Believe it or not, we actually sold the Shah seventy-seven top of the line F-14's with the Phoenix missile system. We even taught their pilots to land on American aircraft carriers ... which is almost funny.
 
You might be interested to know that the Shah had ordered a ton of F-16's and was going to pitch in money for the development of the F-18. He was actually planning on building a small aircraft carrier.
 
Back to the F-14's ... the lastest thinking (at least what the common public is told) is that about forty to fifty are servicable, but there is a real shortage of Phoenix missiles. The planes have been converted to fire a French missile, but the whole point of the F-14 is the Phoenix missile. It's not a very good plane without it.


Define top of the line.

Do you honestly think we sold these F-14s (A Vietnam war era fighter) with circa 2000 counter threat technologies, 3CI communications equipment, etc?

Or did we sell them all the planes we were phasing out because we had something newer and more impressive to give to our military?

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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/5/2007 11:32:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well no shit ... we didn't sell them circe 2000 gear, because we sold them in the 70's.
 
My understanding, is the former President Nixon made this deal, which was fulfilled by former President Ford, and at the time sold, these planes were state of the art. My understanding is that the terms of the deal, was the the Shah was going to contribute heavily to the YF-18 program, and was going to build a small aircraft carrier in the United States.
 
The last part of that plan was given the Ayatollah.
 
All that said, the whole point of mentioning it in the first place, was that selling upgrades and parts to these planes, would be something of value to hold out as a carrot to the Iranians.

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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/5/2007 6:13:39 PM   
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call the President a Monkey



Since my use of the term Monkeyboy is so offensive to primates everywhere, I have recently shown my new Term For The Cretin In Chief.

Say hello to "AnencephalyBoy"

I apologize from the bottom of my heart to any simians I may have offended with my remarks.

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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/5/2007 6:22:03 PM   
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Say hello to "AnencephalyBoy"


This is a sad day for the neural tube.


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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/5/2007 7:08:02 PM   
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call the President a Monkey



Since my use of the term Monkeyboy is so offensive to primates everywhere, I have recently shown my new Term For The Cretin In Chief.

Say hello to "AnencephalyBoy"

I apologize from the bottom of my heart to any simians I may have offended with my remarks.

Sinergy


yanno whats really bad about this is that even tho i would love to jump on the bandwagon the he a dumb ass i simply cant.   i have said it once and say it more each passing day as i look deeper in to whats going on that we in fact are the dumb asses!

Might want to check out what rockefeller has to say about "we the people".
http://www.collarchat.com/m_936825/tm.htm

Is bush really the dumb ass or an integral cog in a wheel that is running us over?


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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/5/2007 7:23:11 PM   
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Well no shit ... we didn't sell them circe 2000 gear, because we sold them in the 70's.
 
My understanding, is the former President Nixon made this deal, which was fulfilled by former President Ford, and at the time sold, these planes were state of the art. My understanding is that the terms of the deal, was the the Shah was going to contribute heavily to the YF-18 program, and was going to build a small aircraft carrier in the United States.
 
The last part of that plan was given the Ayatollah.
 
All that said, the whole point of mentioning it in the first place, was that selling upgrades and parts to these planes, would be something of value to hold out as a carrot to the Iranians.


They were not the top of the line fighters at the time, caitlyn.

The United States might sell the plane.  But what makes the plane dangerous is not it's flying capability in the modern world, it is all the defense paraphenalia for dealing with IR threats, Radar threats, Command and Control software.  Etc., that the US military straps on it.  We do this for a specific reason; we want to be able to win if we ever go to war against that plane.

I was reading in Popular Mechanics today about an anti-IR missile defense.  Apparently, warplanes in the US now have a laser which shoots at the nose of an IR missile which screws up it's guidance by giving it something hotter (the laser heats up the glass) to aim at.  So by the time the missile realizes it's hot spot is over ----------> there, it doesnt have the juice to get to the target.

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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/6/2007 4:56:07 AM   
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Is bush really the dumb ass or an integral cog in a wheel that is running us over?



Real0ne, I was posting this from day one. Bush is just the organ grinder and he's where he wants to be in life - surrounded by wealth and status. One swallow doesn't make a summer and one individual doesn't make foreign policy, or domestic policy.

I'm not sure if you've read the book by the Whitehouse insider claiming the Bush administration privately laugh their heads off at the Christian right. They're taking the piss. Ultimately, the US government has a view of the world and they are able to act as they please in order to turn this view into reality - that is the crux of the matter and tells the story of exactly who is being played.

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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/6/2007 5:10:34 AM   
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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/6/2007 5:16:33 AM   
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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/6/2007 8:09:04 AM   
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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/7/2007 7:12:23 AM   
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I dont hate AnencephalyBoy.

What I do is ridicule his idiotic policies, his ignorance, his cretinous behavior, his impulsiveness, and his lack of foresight. 

Additionally, I ridicule the people who put him in charge of the US military.

There is a difference.

Sinergy

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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/7/2007 10:34:23 AM   
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Is bush really the dumb ass or an integral cog in a wheel that is running us over?



Real0ne, I was posting this from day one. Bush is just the organ grinder and he's where he wants to be in life - surrounded by wealth and status. One swallow doesn't make a summer and one individual doesn't make foreign policy, or domestic policy.

I'm not sure if you've read the book by the Whitehouse insider claiming the Bush administration privately laugh their heads off at the Christian right. They're taking the piss. Ultimately, the US government has a view of the world and they are able to act as they please in order to turn this view into reality - that is the crux of the matter and tells the story of exactly who is being played.



You know i grew up in a famioly who never did surveys, polls or anythjing along those lines because we know how that type of info gets used.

People fast forget that it is a well known fact that the gov hires on the best of the best highest iq people in the world to study all this and effectively do data crunching so they can "successfulllly" push through their adgenda in the forms of advisors etc.   The point is that we buy it!!!  Thus making this worthwhile for them to do and continuing to do.   you dont fix whats not broken and if the sales pitch is working just keep using it until it no longer works.   Ever wonder why there are so many gov lies?  Its working thats why and we forgive them because we are to lazy or it simply does not hurt enough to pull the plug on this crap!

i know its hard for us to believe but there are people out there who are way smarter than we are and "many" of them are working for those who have influence, power and the kind of wealth that we can only dream of with the sole puirpose of bowling down anything in tyheir way to continuing the that wealth trend.

Its a great ploy to look not to bright in the left eye while the right is undermining everything this country was created for.   Of course the problem is that the people here as a whole are clueless as to how magicians work and they debate the trick rather than the magic that created it and therein lies the problem


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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/7/2007 10:44:40 AM   
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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/8/2007 3:44:29 AM   
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Of course the problem is that the people......as a whole are clueless as to how magicians work and they debate the trick rather than the magic that created it and therein lies the problem



I couldn't agree more, but it's understandable. Much of the incriminating evidence is hidden from public view, and much of the information that people are subjected to is exaggeration, propaganda, misinformation and red-herrings. Where people are bombarded with this day in, day out - it's easy to believe it all and refuse to believe the evidence that is in the public domain and staring people in the face.

They aren't aware that Iraq is a re-run of what has been going on for a long time - Iran 1953, Guatemala 1954, Brazil 1964, Nicaragua 1986, Iraq 2003 - all of these amounting to the overthrow or attempted overthrow of goverments in order to install regimes favourable to US economic interests. With British economic imperialism getting in on the act in Iraq.


< Message edited by NorthernGent -- 4/8/2007 3:46:33 AM >

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RE: Neocons better STFU and get to work! - 4/8/2007 4:16:20 AM   
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Of course the problem is that the people......as a whole are clueless as to how magicians work and they debate the trick rather than the magic that created it and therein lies the problem



I couldn't agree more, but it's understandable. Much of the incriminating evidence is hidden from public view, and much of the information that people are subjected to is exaggeration, propaganda, misinformation and red-herrings. Where people are bombarded with this day in, day out - it's easy to believe it all and refuse to believe the evidence that is in the public domain and staring people in the face.

They aren't aware that Iraq is a re-run of what has been going on for a long time - Iran 1953, Guatemala 1954, Brazil 1964, Nicaragua 1986, Iraq 2003 - all of these amounting to the overthrow or attempted overthrow of goverments in order to install regimes favourable to US economic interests. With British economic imperialism getting in on the act in Iraq.



NG check out the barney vids in mr's post!   they are excellent!  they actually have the propaganda spin artist on vid laughing at us and calling us stooopid for falling for all the crap the gov pulls on us.    no kidding its amazing!   of course no flag waver would ever bothger to watch it LOL

here is the link
http://www.collarchat.com/m_940275/tm.htm


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