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RE: safe words whe does stop mea more? - 4/10/2007 7:09:06 PM   
Passion357


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He is rather a sadist and managed to get her to say "Red"  I noticed though distracted  as I was, he applied three more stokes before stopping.


Had I been the Owner of the slave being beaten:

Once she said "Red", and he raised the cane again, I'd have physically stopped him.

Period.

Edge play is for the Master and slave first...then "others". Allowing an-other to test her limits before you, regardless,  is just not safe.

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RE: safe words when does stop Mae more? - 4/10/2007 10:50:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings all,  This thing has taken on life of its own.  I have already said Alex in not some guy he is my mentor, who started as a sub well acquainted with the receiving end of pain.   Ani, bless her said stop not red, he asked "time to stop? can you take three more.?"  She said yes he gave them then stopped, I would of stopped at stop, not ask for her last effort.  I asked about it on the way home she seemed to not resented it at all only commented on how much she enjoyed it, it was to much sensation more then pain that made her say stop.  She has gone much farther pain wise though at a much slower pace in a much more private space. 

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RE: safe words when does stop Mae more? - 4/10/2007 11:08:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: goodandplenty

Ani, bless her said stop not red, he asked "time to stop? can you take three more.?"  She said yes he gave them then stopped, I would of stopped at stop, not ask for her last effort. 


You said this in the OP

quote:

He is rather a sadist and managed to get her to say "Red"  I noticed though distracted  as I was, he applied three more stokes before stopping. 


Which is it?

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RE: safe words when does stop Mae more? - 4/10/2007 11:20:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: goodandplenty
Greetings all,  This thing has taken on life of its own.  I have already said Alex in not some guy he is my mentor, who started as a sub well acquainted with the receiving end of pain.   Ani, bless her said stop not red, he asked "time to stop? can you take three more.?"  She said yes he gave them then stopped, I would of stopped at stop, not ask for her last effort.  I asked about it on the way home she seemed to not resented it at all only commented on how much she enjoyed it, it was to much sensation more then pain that made her say stop.  She has gone much farther pain wise though at a much slower pace in a much more private space. 


We have too many holier than thou types who know it all, and are quick to judge others on little evidence.

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RE: safe words when does stop Mae more? - 4/10/2007 11:24:36 PM   
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RE: safe words when does stop Mae more? - 4/10/2007 11:25:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		your first post was in good english and very easy to understand and now that you're posting under a different name I can barely understand what you are trying to say. whats up with that??

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RE: safe words when does stop Mae more? - 4/11/2007 5:44:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		the first one wasn't all that clear either & maybe that is why there has been so many branches to this thread.... the posts are fragmented & often vague

To be honest I don't even know what the OP was asking or posting about in the first place anymore but maybe that is because he didn't have a clue either

Was it a post about:

honoring safewords
bringing in a co-top
a co-top honoring limits
pushing limits
a bottom's refusal to safeword
why a bottom may not safeword
should a safeword be used
at what point should a safeword be used
should others beat my bottom while her mouth is stuffed with cock
can a bottom call a safeword while her mouth is stuffed with cock
how do I wiggle my way out of looking like an abusive jerk

F*ck if I can keep up with all the various sub-threads

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RE: safe words when does stop Mae more? - 4/11/2007 5:58:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		You said this in your OP

quote:

He is rather a sadist and managed to get her to say "Red"  I noticed though distracted  as I was, he applied three more stokes before stopping


and then you say this under another nic

quote:

ORIGINAL: goodandplenty

  Ani, bless her said stop not red, he asked "time to stop? can you take three more.?" 



So.. in truth.. she never did say RED as you implied in your OP and as a result... Your Mentor never actually played pasted a safeword as you implied in your OP.  In fact, she said stop and he asked if she could take three more... mmmmm  seems this thread when the direction it did because of your own communication.


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She said yes he gave them then stopped, I would of stopped at stop, not ask for her last effort.  I asked about it on the way home she seemed to not resented it at all only commented on how much she enjoyed it, it was to much sensation more then pain that made her say stop.  She has gone much farther pain wise though at a much slower pace in a much more private space. 

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Now... with this new information that is closer to the truth of what happened... I can appreciate why she didn't mind or resented that she took three more.  Simply because she was empowered and agreed to take three more.  As you said he wasn't in subspace, but she did reach the edges of what she could take.  I suspect she felt what many individuals face when the push themselves and feel good about the results of their push.

But then... it comes down to what is the point of your OP in the first place.....

Maybe just maybe you should start over... since I don't think you have ever really clearly indicated what you are looking for. 

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RE: safe words when does stop Mae more? - 4/11/2007 6:18:55 AM   
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RE: safe words when does stop Mae more? - 4/11/2007 6:23:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

"What we got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach." 
 
 


that's cause the one head has no ears!!  or it they just too short to grab on to!

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RE: safe words when does stop Mae more? - 4/11/2007 6:56:03 AM   
MstrssPassion


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oops... I better give out a safe word

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RE: safe words when does stop Mae more? - 4/11/2007 7:02:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

the first one wasn't all that clear either & maybe that is why there has been so many branches to this thread.... the posts are fragmented & often vague

To be honest I don't even know what the OP was asking or posting about in the first place anymore but maybe that is because he didn't have a clue either

Was it a post about:

honoring safewords
bringing in a co-top
a co-top honoring limits
pushing limits
a bottom's refusal to safeword
why a bottom may not safeword
should a safeword be used
at what point should a safeword be used
should others beat my bottom while her mouth is stuffed with cock
can a bottom call a safeword while her mouth is stuffed with cock
how do I wiggle my way out of looking like an abusive jerk

F*ck if I can keep up with all the various sub-threads


I think the OP got exactly what he came here for, a bit of attention and some people to view his video. Notice that he has not responded since the link to his video has been removed!

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RE: safe words when does stop Mae more? - 4/11/2007 9:08:12 AM   
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RE: safe words when does stop Mae more? - 4/11/2007 9:38:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		i have talked to him a bit, and what the point of his post was, is looking for the edge,

remember Kramer and George driving the car on empty for as far and as fast as they could with out having to walk home? remember the rush they got as they felt the fear of passing that last gas station? the look on their face?they had mutually consented to walking home basically but they were hyper jazzed about it.

thats what he wanted to know about...was there an exact miliage number.....but he worded his post in a way that could never achieve that result.

my thought on this, and i said it to him, is that that edge, is not a physical place, it is a mental space....

so many men that i have met over the years see sex in this way, as though there is a position, or a toy or a secret thing they can do or not do to make the woman have the best orgasm possible... we as women we know...its Never about props or possitions....it is just super hard to explain it.


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RE: safe words when does stop mean more? - 4/11/2007 3:33:50 PM   
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I have been a bottom and was never given a safe word.
I was new to the lifestyle and knew nothing.
I was emotionally hurt and humiliated by the experience.
Men in my experience don't want to dominate they want to sexually abuse women.
Or they think that's what all women want from them.
I keep wondering if the bottom in the case was truly happy with what happened to her. Three extra strokes isn't the point. The point is she wanted what was happening to her to stop.
Perhaps she never wanted it to start in the first place.
How could she truly consent if she didn't know what was going to happen to her?
You have to talk about it.

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RE: safe words when does stop mean more? - 4/11/2007 10:53:44 PM   
Passion357


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I keep wondering if the bottom in the case was truly happy with what happened to her.


I personally have reviewed the videos. Just now. I just finished watching all 4 of them.
I watched them over and over again. (She does have a nice red welted ass, BTW)

Only in the 3rd video did it ever even appear that said girl wanted the whipping to stop.
I heard her say something, although it was NOT "red". She said a sentence that I am sorry to report was too distorted for me to understand. She may have been gagged, I don't know, as the camera was not at her face at this time. Once she said the sentence, the whipping stopped. Right then.
And the fellatio began.
So she did not have a cock in her mouth when then whipping was stopped. She was able to talk. And I am almost certain the men there knew what she was saying.

The 4th video is after all this. She appears to be bound standing up. She was smiling and even after the ends she was giggling just a little.
She sounded very well and seemed to be just fine.
There was one point where even I could tell by her body movements and moaning (she was gagged here) that the whipping was too hard. The One whipping her backed off and went down to a softer stroke. She responded by softer moans and...well let's just say she was fine and she liked what was happening to her, as far as I could tell.

Well Wishes,
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RE: safe words when does stop mean more? - 4/12/2007 1:26:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings and Tal,  If anyone cares to understand the facts write me give an instant messenger  address I will send the video.  I have watched it several times again my self.  She said stop not red our agreed upon safe word, when asked time to stop? can you take three more? she did agree to three more, from her constant desire to not say no.  I did continue on with the scene, ordered her to cum on command as she did.    I was only trying to see what peoples opinions were on wringing that last effort out of a bottom, as something they want of me.  Really wanted to hear most from switches who know both sides. 

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RE: safe words when does stop mean more? - 4/12/2007 1:47:20 PM   
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RE: safe words when does stop mean more? - 4/12/2007 6:27:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lateralist1

Mistress Rouge. No one can tell what is going through another person's mind from their reactions.
The only way you are going to know is if you ask them and they can tell you.
Have you never heard of acting?
People's motivations for doing certain things are not always clear even to themselves.
For those of us who were abused as children we can be chasing the dragon just as much as any drug addict.
Certain actions or ways of thinking can be instilled in people when they are young and gaining control over ones self even with a lot of help can be very very hard.
It has taken me years to find a man interested in BDSM for it's own sake rather than being led by the nose by early training. Have you ever asked them or yourself why your subs do as they are told by you?



I agree, I am not a mind reader, also My submissive's are not. Body language, an abundance of verbal communication, inter-action, trust and boundaries and limits I always respect. My submissive's willingly indulge and absorb in My Dominance. Many of My regular devottee's I have Dominated for many, many  years now, and  I have a wonderful relationship with all My submissive's. I delight in attracting novice's and beginners, and welcome and encourage their presence.

The fact I do not use, or have the need for using "safewords" in My Domination, does not mean that I am not  aware of my submissive's wellbeing, frame of mind, physical and mental awareness throughout our time together.

I am sound in mind, content in life, spirit and wellbeing, and I only accept submissive's that are  100% compatiable with My specialities and areas of BDSM that I  enjoy & indulge in. Those with hidden insecurities or emotional issues regarding their past, I am unaware of this, and have never had a submissive disclose such information to Me.

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RE: safe words when does stop mean more? - 4/12/2007 10:12:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, some people will set up mutliple safe words, some meaning 'ease up', or some meaning 'slow down' or what have you. I personally never liked these in practice, as it tends to either lead to some manipualtion on the submissives part, even unconciously, if she doesn't 'like' what is happening, or it often results in unconcious manipualtion on the doms part to coax a sub past where she really ought to have given the safe word. But I think that what we're referring to, the 'killword' as my girl calls it, and as I use it, ends all BDSM play, anything non vanilla. I personally also like to append that there will be no play until at least the following day, once the word is given, as a safety valve in case nobody feels pressured to push into questionable territory.

But, by how I was taught, the safe word, while inviolable, and always being unquestioned when it's given, should seldom come up. Because the first safety valve is the dominants intuition and insight. If you don't KNOW it's safe to go on, you don't go on, period. Maybe this is different for people who persue it as a means of fetish or pure kink, but I was taught that all of the ordeal is designed to promote trust and intimacy between a dominant and a sub. How can you do that if the submissive doesn't feel safe? That doesn't mean not pushed or challenged, but basically knowing for certain her wellbeing is held fast in the grip of the dominant? It's a gradual slow process but achieving that is the point in my mind.

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