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sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 8:38:34 AM)
oh holy hell, since when does a person's avatar HAVE TO LOOK LIKE the person behind the name here on collarme - are you that anal for putting a human face with my name? sheeeeeeeeesh, start your own damn BDSM site then ...and remind me not to join. as i said i don't have to explain anything here to you why i have a pic on my profile and avatar here - so fucking what! next time send a note so i can treat it in the same manner you treated mine - no response back at all. and how would you know if the United States isn't ready for a gay president? have you polled every single able-bodied and alive American voter who is registered on the current rolls this question? the mood of the country just might surprise you. yes i do vote - have been voting for 20yrs now ...what does that bit of info have to do with this arrogant thread of yours? i was looking for something within the bounds of the U.S. Constitution however seeing that the French are more open and liberal about sexual orientation these days, i think Francios Rabelais would be rolling over his grave right if he saw what you like to enjoy with a submissive as you've written in your training thread. seems to me to be a double standard quoting a French evangelist and you taking a moral stance about gays becoming president in the life that you lead. lastly, we would never know the bias until this country elects its first bi/gay president.

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes against (4/11/2007 8:41:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: softness quote: ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69 I find it laughable that people get upset about concepts but allow genecide to continue because they are too f*cking lazy to get off their asses and do the right thing. may I ask what it is You are doing to move the world forward to a better place? what political action? what aid work? what social work? ... is this post, your stand? is this your drive to "get off your ass and do the right thing?" ... this is a polite question asked in a polite manner, would be a shame to recieve a sardonic reply Quite a bit acutally...now in fear of being self promoting... Besides shameless promoting My political websites (which I have been admonsihed for and threatened expulshion by Mod 11 even though the check will be coming from part of the proceeds to Collarme.com) I have done work for four presidents in the past...been active in the political arena...been responsible for many ads that have resulted in negative airplay responses which I have since tried to balance with good. I have donated My time to recycling the abandoned waste of computers of big biz for those less fortunate and under priviledges...and currently trying to awaken people up to what is going on. Experience has shown how deeply the seeds of war are planted by economic rivalry and social injustice. Guess I could give a presentation while I whip or cane someone down at the Crucible on the 21st...would that help?[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m10.gif[/image] Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

mnottertail -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 8:42:24 AM)
What? You aint got writing on your forehead? Deals off honey----- Hey Ross, you doing the john hurt turning into a penis thing? that's a funny tan. Avatar fight............ and you goddamn right I got ones and zeros runnin all up and down me, I am et up with it. ButterflyBob

SusanofO -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 8:44:07 AM)
sambaman'slilgirl: Me either. I don't understand why it would necessarily affect his (or anyone's)ability to hold office effectively. Everyone, whether they are a male hetero WASP, or what you described, is going to have some predjudices and individual POVs, if they are alive and breathing. Simply because people are all individuals with different experiences and backgrounds. Also great point about the checks and balances being very a pertinent factor, that someone else mentioned. Wow, great point. The fact someone runs for office and promises to represent their constituents and is or is not fairly honest about what they represent (their views), IMO is just something votersa have to judge for themselves, and take on faith when they go to the voting booth. Apparently, some people are cynical enough to believe, that simply because there have been a few disappointments, at various times in history, as far as politicians not delivering what they promised, that means it is always destined to happen, or that they think they deserve a perfect world. Hello. People aren't perfect, and neither is the world. Looks like to me one can either become a cynical do-nothing, or keep one's chin up, and hope for a good future and work to make one anyway, in response. I know which option sound more productive to me. - Susan

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 8:47:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Domin8tingUrDrmz quote: ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69 So do you feel there is no possiblity to a conflict of interest regarding their sexual proclivities? So are you sayig that knowing someone enjoyts the same activities as you do you do not favor or show a partiality to them in public or private dealings or communications? Ross ©º°¨¨°º© I am curious. What conflicts of interest do you foresee occuring if a gay/lesbian person were to become President? Do you not see those same conflicts occuring in hetero Presidents? No I do not...minorities are so busy showing people how much they are equal they waste the energy showing rather than doing. Once the private interest groups understand this perhaps they might make some headway. Even if a gay/lesbian person were to become President, they would not have the sole ability to establish gay/lesbian movement laws. We are talking Presidency not King or Queenship like GW thinks. They still account to Congress and Senate and to the poeple of the country contrary to the current adminsitrations beliefs. There are checks and balances in place which usually prevent such things from occuring. And this explains the FBI usage of the Patriot Act how? Personally, I wouldn't care one way or another if the gay and lesbian community were able to marry, or have other rights afforded them that they should not need to fight for. However, because of congress, this likely would not occur; there are far too many in office who would prevent this from happening, and too many voters who would prevent this from happening. I do not understand your reasons for such concerns. So how might you reflect on the govermental overturning of gay marriages? Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

MistressNoName -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 8:50:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: untamedshysub that is a personal opinion and not one of the requirements of being president: be a natural born citizen of the united States be at least 35 years old have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years The founding fathers left Britain because of oppression and made it quite clear that religion and politics were to be kept separate. How a person leads their personal life is really no one else's concern , lets see we have had a murderer, several adultery's, a coke head at least one that we know of, and a thief at least one. We do not know if any of the presidents have been gay or not because people use to know how to keep their personal lives personal , and others use to know how to mind their own business. I say the person who can turn the country around, bring down the deficit, and the price of gas and housing basic everyday needs should win and I do not care if he is a cross dresser and wears heels and hose to the white house as long as he takes care of business. America is the only country so afraid of sexuality we make stupid laws to try and control people's lives which among other things makes us the laughing stock of the world. Here-Here!!! The only thing I would add to this is that we are supposed to have a little talked about priniciple/law in this country...what was it called again?? Oh yeah, Separation of Church and State. A lot of fundamentalist/religious Bible-quoting folk like to believe that this country is a Theocracy...it is not. MNN

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 8:53:16 AM)
didn't know we had a deal, Ron and what's written across my head is for Daddy only

domiguy -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 8:57:31 AM)
Oh Christ, If we let the Homos run the country then one day we ae going to have to let the Jews, Spics and Negros have a shot....Put me down for a resounding ...NO!!!!

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 8:58:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl oh holy hell, since when does a person's avatar HAVE TO LOOK LIKE the person behind the name here on collarme - are you that anal for putting a human face with my name? sheeeeeeeeesh, start your own damn BDSM site then ...and remind me not to join. as i said i don't have to explain anything here to you why i have a pic on my profile and avatar here - so fucking what! next time send a note so i can treat it in the same manner you treated mine - no response back at all. But you did respond...and showing no social grace in doing so at all. I have in fact had My own bdsm site in the past.... you have not sent Me any private messages that I am aware of... and how would you know if the United States isn't ready for a gay president? It is My perception that it is true... The election will show just how soon on many issues America is ready to accept... have you polled every single able-bodied and alive American voter who is registered on the current rolls this question? the mood of the country just might surprise you. I am sure there are more qualified groups like CNN that are showing just that thank you...the very ink with which history is written is merely fluid prejudice. yes i do vote - have been voting for 20yrs now ...what does that bit of info have to do with this arrogant thread of yours? People grow through experience if they meet life honestly and courageously. This is how character is built. Life was meant to be lived, and curiosity must be kept alive. One must never, for whatever reason, turn his back on life. One thing life has taught me: if you are interested, you never have to look for new interests. They come to you. When you are genuinely interested in one thing, it will always lead to something else. No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. It is not fair to ask of others what you are unwilling to do yourself. Hate and force cannot be in just a part of the world without having an effect on the rest of it. i was looking for something within the bounds of the U.S. Constitution however seeing that the French are more open and liberal about sexual orientation these days, i think Francios Rabelais would be rolling over his grave right if he saw what you like to enjoy with a submissive as you've written in your training thread. seems to me to be a double standard quoting a French evangelist and you taking a moral stance about gays becoming president in the life that you lead. Sexual proclivities and political ambitions as well as seperation of church and state were different issues I thought. An ounce of hypocracy is worth a pound of ambition. Glad you took to reading My writings as I have noticed you in most of them reading away.[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m10.gif[/image] lastly, we would never know the bias until this country elects its first bi/gay president. This is true...prejudice is opinion without judgement. Ross ©º°¨¨°º© Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

LaTigresse -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 8:59:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69 I believe a gay person as President would allow thier sexual preference influence policies...especially since this has been the decade of the gay on tv. Seems one could not turn on tv or go anywhere without having homosexual values shoved down one's throats. I seem to weary of the minority (yes there is a reason why they are a minority) groups whinning about how unfair everyone else is when they themselves practice exclusivity amoung thier ranks through activisim, commercial enterprise endorsement (only buy from another minority) and active discrimination. Get over it. It was what it was. It is what it is. Base your stance on who you are rather than what minority you can from or are from. The United States of America is based on minorities that flee political, religious percecution. Ross ©º°¨¨°º© Because of course the religous right president we have now certainly has not let any of his personal lifestyle choices affect how he does his job! Oh and one other thought. I believe I heard some straight white guys moaning about how much of a minority they have become in this country.............sooooooooo.........no more straight white guys allowed in office.

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 9:01:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Oh Christ, If we let the Homos run the country then one day we ae going to have to let the Jews, Spics and Negros have a shot....Put me down for a resounding ...NO!!!! Now a response that is uncalled for and samehow I am not surprised on it coming from you. I find it offensive and it has not part being here. Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

SusanofO -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 9:01:46 AM)
SirD: You might try actually discussing something, rather than mostly min d-_cuking your respondents. That isn't debate, or discussion, IMO. It's just an intellectual, verbal way to get your "Domly"? jollies, and basically amounts to intellectual dishonesty, IMO. Not a good thing, really, for anyone who makes the mistake of actually taking you seriously. What it does instead, is ruin anyone's faith they can have a give-and-take conversation with you, IMO. If that's your goal, though, then great. If you ever decide you want to have a real discussion, vs. making yourself seem oh-so socially aware, and "democratic" - and mostly at other people's expense, in a mostly defensive, condescending way, that is heaped with generalizations, not backed up with any research or facts (including toward most of those who respond to your thread) then give me a call. Everyone has their limits. - Susan

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 9:04:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail What? You aint got writing on your forehead? Deals off honey----- Hey Ross, you doing the john hurt turning into a penis thing? that's a funny tan. People only see what they are prepared to see. People don't use their eyes. They never see a bird, they see a sparrow. They never see a tree, they see a birch. They see concepts. Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 9:06:17 AM)
I am curious. What conflicts of interest do you foresee occurring if a gay/lesbian person were to become President? Do you not see those same conflicts occurring in hetero Presidents? No I do not...minorities are so busy showing people how much they are equal they waste the energy showing rather than doing. Once the private interest groups understand this perhaps they might make some headway. I agree; doing vs. showing would definitely support their movements - no argument. I am still curious what conflicts you foresee occurring if gays/lesbians or other minorities were elected into office. Even if a gay/lesbian person were to become President, they would not have the sole ability to establish gay/lesbian movement laws. We are talking Presidency not King or Queenship like GW thinks. They still account to Congress and Senate and to the poeple of the country contrary to the current adminsitrations beliefs. Agreed, thought I said the same thing, just in different words. There are checks and balances in place, which usually prevent such things from occurring. And this explains the FBI usage of the Patriot Act how? I did say usually, nothing is perfect. Personally, I wouldn't care one way or another if the gay and lesbian community were able to marry, or have other rights afforded them that they should not need to fight for. However, because of congress, this likely would not occur; there are far too many in office who would prevent this from happening, and too many voters who would prevent this from happening. I do not understand your reasons for such concerns. So how might you reflect on the govermental overturning of gay marriages? It does not affect me; that is why I said I would not care one way or another. FYI. None of this is intended to be flaming; I am truly curious what conflicts concern you regarding having a minority in office? Are you concerned that a minority may not be capable of defending our country? Are you concerned that a minority will not be fiscally responsible? What are your actual concerns pertaining to this topic? Note: I didn't use the quote feature because I don't like how 'boxed up' everything becomes. Edited because Word formatting does not transfer over to CM.

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 9:06:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Oh Christ, If we let the Homos run the country then one day we ae going to have to let the Jews, Spics and Negros have a shot....Put me down for a resounding ...NO!!!! I call for the Mod to strike this post.[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m7.gif[/image] All in favor? Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

mnottertail -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 9:07:21 AM)
what is quality, grasshopper? Sorry, I don't see no fuckin' bird, nor sparrow, nor cockatoo. Ron

LaTigresse -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 9:09:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69 quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Oh Christ, If we let the Homos run the country then one day we ae going to have to let the Jews, Spics and Negros have a shot....Put me down for a resounding ...NO!!!! I call for the Mod to strike this post.[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m7.gif[/image] All in favor? Ross ©º°¨¨°º© No I do not vote it be removed based upon the perceived nature of intent.........to show you how rediculous your posts actually are.......

mnottertail -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 9:11:39 AM)
I think the biggest problem with a gay president is going to be the internecine problems, when he whips out the bills sponsors dicks to sign it into legislation with their jizm, and bypasses Barney Frank. Mario Cuomo

SusanofO -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 9:16:22 AM)
mnottertail: HUGs!!! [:D] -Susan

meesekite -> RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States? I do not It goes aga (4/11/2007 9:16:27 AM)
Hi all... Now THIS is an interesting thread. SirD, I find it rather facinating that you state the Founding Fathers wouldnt have wanted a gay president, yet YOU VOTED FOR A WOMAN (Geraldine Ferraro). The founding fathers did not at all feel women should VOTE, let alone hold office. It was such a priori fact that women were inferior to men that the Founders didnt feel they had to write it in...I mean, why should they have stated what was blatantly obvious to them? Thats why blacks arent mentioned either in regards to voting rights (or any other rights). So, based on your argument that the founding fathers wouldnt want a gay leader, how do you justify voting for a female? As to my own beliefs, as long as they can do the job, they can be male, female, gay, straight, asexual, polyamorous, etc. Sincerely meesekite

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