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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 5:30:08 AM   
SirDiscipliner69


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3)  I feel it morally wrong to in any way encourage or facilitate someone to cheat and deceive.

No more so if they want it..it is not entrapment...half of the people on here are I would guess....

Just because someone wants something does not mean they should either have it, be provided with it, or be encouraged to seek it.


If someone isn't getting what they need in a relationship, then they should leave that relationship and find another one that DOES satisfy them. 


Perhaps I am morally lustfully bankrupt

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 5:31:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

SirDiscipliner69: Auto-disagreement w/people, and placing heavy-duty value-judgments on their responses,


you must of missed the ones that people had polite responses and were right?

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 5:34:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: redsky

i havent read all the comments on this thread so excuse me if what i say has already been commented! i find it quite unsettling that peoples views on this thread seem to be mostly black & white. what about the grey areas?
i would not leave my husband as he is disabled & totally dependant on me (but i also couldnt break his pride & heart by telling him my desire to submit)
i have children who adore their daddy & sacrifice my own desires for their sakes.
i love my husband alot & dont have the desire to leave but he does not share nor understands NOR wants to accept how i crave the D's life....
these are just a few examples of reasons a 'female' sub may be *married & searching*

have a nice day Y/yall!


Ah...a breath of fresh air...

you mean it is NOT black and white?

o my....

Yes many have others that do not share their love of handcuffs

of being over powered

of being humiliated

well let's just stuff them in the closet right?

Thank you for your response...

the ones that should be responding are actually making arrangements right now to hook up for their needs...



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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 5:35:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

redsky: Yes (I agree. "Gray areas" undoubtedly exist.)

Last week's discussion on this is all coming back to me now...Ahem. This last comment not intended for you, m'dear.



So grey areas only apply to some?

hmmm

it that what they term as double standards?

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 5:38:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		SirDiscipliner69: That particular response (to MyMasterStephen) was polite, yes. But if somebody disagrees w/you (and pretty vehemently) don't be surprised. Trying to talk someone out of a moral judgment area of this magnitude, or getting anyone to see a different POV (and yours especially) well - IMO, let's just say, it's pretty personal stuff. I can't believe you don't know that, either.

Of course I think there are "gray areas" etc. (if you really want to see my POV on all this, see the CIAW thread from a few weeks ago) on this General Discussion board. 

But - IMO, my friend, this whole topic area is a losing propostion, as far as changing anyone's POV much, in the long-term. IMO, changes this deep, as far as people's prefrences or opinions, especially on this topic, do not happen overnight (if ever). And certainly not in one mere message board discussion thread. 

But good luck with it. I debated this all ad infinitum last week, as I recall (and the week before that). Forgive me for just being tired.

- Susan

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 5:43:45 AM   
redsky


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Status: offline 		i mean no disrespect in my opinion, i just know not everyone or everything in life (including D's lifestyle) is black & white.
i must be a trerrible person according to a few messages i have received (thanks for making me the center of your attention for however long it took you to write the messages) LOL, they lead me to believe as i am a 'cheater' that i have no respect & will never be trusted enough by anyone to be happy in the life. My Master trusts me, for He knows my situation is not perfect & is willing to adore me inspite of the fact that im married & a mommy.
i have been faithful for 15 years, okay so i guess i am now a cheat, but life is not a rehearsal, i do not wanna wonder when im old 'what if'
i am a woman, a person with feelings, needs, desires & dreams, all this is just my beginning...i am going to go far, when i am ready!

okay, so im done blabbing now lol.
sorry!

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 5:46:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

But - IMO, my friend, this whole topic are is a losing propostion, as far as changing anyone's POV, in the long-term. IMO, changes this deep, as far as people's prefrences or opinions, especially on this topic, do not happen overnight (if ever). And certainly not in one mere message board discussion thread. 


I will stand up to injustice and pig headedness as long as it come into My realm

If they do not agree then have them move on.

so I am now being moderated and will reply when they allow Me to

Thanks

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 5:54:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like how most people in this lifestyle revert back to their vanilla judgemental selves. Let's see I think that the term Hypocrite is what I'm looking for. If your in this place why do you think you have morals. I think there are just as many married people in here as unmarrieds. The unmarried ones seem to be doing most of the bitching. If you can attract a married person to play with go for it. If your having a hard time connecting with anyone try e-harmonny.

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 6:00:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		redsky: I hear you. I was married for 15 years to someone who refused to have sex for 10 of them. I eventually (at year 11), had a year-long affair. I could go on, and say more, but most have already heard this saga of mine, and it is IMO pretty boring. 

I do think (I really do) that it just plain is nobody else's business what anyone else does, if they aren't asking that person to be personally involved. I think about all people can do is say what they would do themselves - I simply don't consider what other people do in this regard to be my business, if they are not involving me personally.

but when we have these discussions, that just isn't where it seems to stop. People seem to want to talk others into their POV (which is equivalent to callling them "sinners", or "moralists", etc.)

Not exactly a "friendly, happy place", although I do concede everyone is entitled to their opinion, certainly, and to state it.

I always find it especially amusing, though, in a dark-humor kind of way, that these vehement rants re: "Morality" (or anyone's lack thereof) on this (and similar) topics take place on an "alternative life-styles" message board.

Presumably that title means all "alternative life-styles" - but then again, perhaps not.
Hmmm is about all I can say to it all, anymore, really.

- Susan 

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 6:02:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

But - IMO, my friend, this whole topic area is a losing propostion, as far as changing anyone's POV much, in the long-term. IMO, changes this deep, as far as people's prefrences or opinions, especially on this topic, do not happen overnight (if ever). And certainly not in one mere message board discussion thread. 



I find it generally changes only when people are directly and personally impacted by such a situation.  Then, and perhaps only then, will people consider that it isn't as simple as black and white. 

And for those who may think think it's an attack on them to say these things, it is not.  I know I have found myself guilty of this.  There have been a couple different instances where I have said, "I would never...."  And then in a situation, I find my opinion changes.  This happens to be one such issue (and no, I've never been married).

I am trying to better myself and trying to refrain from such harsh value judgements.  You never know until you are in the situation or are being directly impacted by such a situation. 

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 6:05:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		lapresence: I agree completely, as far as when and how people usually change their POV (if they do) in areas such as this. What a breath of fresh air that comment is to hear, because it recognizes the fact that "everybody else" isn't "the same as me", etc. (which IMO is usually where trouble and miscomunication begin, if they happen.)

- Susan

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 6:09:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like a pretty one to serve during the day or weekend,then send her home all wet to fix her hard working hunnnys dinner and return the next day ready to rock...just the views of this ol" master

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 6:10:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69
How many others prefer the submissive female to be married?


I used to have a totally different attitude about this, but I've changed my preference. Now almost all my BDSM activity is interacting with a married submissive female.

quote:

Would you agree there is a deliciousness to a woman that is not getting what she needs at home?
Yes, but it takes time to properly furnish a dungeon which is why I take her to clubs.

quote:

I have found the eagarness and willingness to serve and please Me is well rewarded and makes training very enjoyable for Both.
I've never needed blackmail but I can understand the need in certain cases.

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 6:10:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

I like how most people in this lifestyle revert back to their vanilla judgemental selves. Let's see I think that the term Hypocrite is what I'm looking for. If your in this place why do you think you have morals. I think there are just as many married people in here as unmarrieds. The unmarried ones seem to be doing most of the bitching. If you can attract a married person to play with go for it. If your having a hard time connecting with anyone try e-harmonny.


LOL.  All I gotta say is AMEN to the whole post.  Thank you. 

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 6:11:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's the limited views of dominance and submission that gets me when issues of morality are raised.
 
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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 6:13:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		i aint bitchin....im just giving my opinion...opinions are like assholes....everybody has one!

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 6:21:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mercnbeth: What a sweet answer (these two are very happily married, just late last year, for anyone who doesn't know).

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 6:38:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69
How many others prefer the submissive female to be married?


I used to have a totally different attitude about this, but I've changed my preference. Now almost all my BDSM activity is interacting with a married submissive female.

quote:

Would you agree there is a deliciousness to a woman that is not getting what she needs at home?
Yes, but it takes time to properly furnish a dungeon which is why I take her to clubs.

quote:

I have found the eagarness and willingness to serve and please Me is well rewarded and makes training very enjoyable for Both.
I've never needed blackmail but I can understand the need in certain cases.


blackmail?

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 6:52:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		redsky: I know you weren't bitching (sorry if I sounded like I thought you were).
I guess I was just preparing you, maybe, for what you may hear later on, if you follow this thread, and someone else expresses similar sentiments to yours...it ain't necessarily pretty, IMO.

But, if that happens, my advice is  - don't take it personally (it's simply not worth it, IMO, and probably not meant to be taken that way)... and, oh...threads like this...they can just wear me out some days, I guess.
I guess I am getting old and tired. I am not trying to sound pessimistic on purpose, or halt a discussion.

Have a happy Friday, everyone. 

- Susan 

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 7:09:32 AM   
redsky


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Status: offline 		SuasnofO:

my motto, not only online but in life itself...

'let it slide........................' then laugh it off!

i dont get hurt feelings or offended easily, especially online, i was just stating that fact that we all have the right to be opinionated, im sorry it was in no way directed to you alone.

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