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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 7:19:24 AM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		redsky: Oh I know that, you in no way offended me - I don't get very offended, really either (but I sometimes go "ouch" to myself, when read threads and some responses, on this particular (and some very similar) topics.

You will be pretty well-equipped for further discussion on this topic, with that attitude, is my guess (a good thing, btw, IMO). Sorry if I sound jaded, I am just tired. Time for a nap. Happy Friday and a good week-end to you.

And everyone else, too.

- Susan


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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 8:02:44 AM   
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thanks!

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 8:05:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		To me, when a single or unattached person seeks out someone who is attached, it is because they are unable to emotionally commit to another person. It is in effect and easy out. I do not place moral judgement on how people live their lives. Whether you are with someone who is cheating or not, i don't really care. However think about what it is you get out of the relationship. Sexual satisfaction? Do you ever go deeper than that? What about emotional connection? Some people prefer being with married people because they don't ever have to emotionaly connect. In a way it is safe for them. They have their sexual time together..and part. If that is all you want to have out of a relationship, you are missing a great deal in my opinion.

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 8:22:01 AM   
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To me, when a single or unattached person seeks out someone who is attached, it is because they are unable to emotionally commit to another person. It is in effect and easy out. I do not place moral judgement on how people live their lives. Whether you are with someone who is cheating or not, i don't really care. However think about what it is you get out of the relationship. Sexual satisfaction? Do you ever go deeper than that? What about emotional connection? Some people prefer being with married people because they don't ever have to emotionaly connect. In a way it is safe for them. They have their sexual time together..and part. If that is all you want to have out of a relationship, you are missing a great deal in my opinion.

missi


Have you ever thought that maybe they are in a bad relationship and that person needs support and love?  In my situation, I am first friend, then sister (sub), then lover.  I am very committed to her, and I hope that one day the marriage will be completely over, rather than the sham that it is.  I want her to be happy, no matter how that ends up.  For now, she is not, and I will give her as much as she will allow me to. 

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 8:30:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		lapresence,
I was speaking specifically about the single person who seeks out a married person. Not about the married person. People cheat  for a variety of reasons..that is not what i was addressing. I was addressing the OP who says he preferes married submissives. Hope that clears that up.
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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 8:31:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with both playful one and twice happy, but I have a further question. As a dominant, if a woman is willing to be deceptive, sneaky, break solemn vows, etc, what possible thrill could you get from having her on her knees? If she has so little respect for herself that she's willing to behave this way, then where is the thrill in it? Is that the highest amount of self respect you can muster? Any cock will do but yours is the closest one at the moment?

Anyone can get submission from the morally or mentally weak. I don't get excitement from that any more than I would from getting her drunk and having my way with her while she's passed out. I suppose to me character and self respect is way too important.

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 8:47:45 AM   
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3)  I feel it morally wrong to in any way encourage or facilitate someone to cheat and deceive.

No more so if they want it..it is not entrapment...half of the people on here are I would guess....

Just because someone wants something does not mean they should either have it, be provided with it, or be encouraged to seek it.


If someone isn't getting what they need in a relationship, then they should leave that relationship and find another one that DOES satisfy them. 


Perhaps I am morally lustfully bankrupt

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I would be willing to guess it is more likely that you have a vivid imagination.

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 8:50:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hrafnkel

I agree with both playful one and twice happy, but I have a further question. As a dominant, if a woman is willing to be deceptive, sneaky, break solemn vows, etc, what possible thrill could you get from having her on her knees? If she has so little respect for herself that she's willing to behave this way, then where is the thrill in it? Is that the highest amount of self respect you can muster? Any cock will do but yours is the closest one at the moment?

Anyone can get submission from the morally or mentally weak. I don't get excitement from that any more than I would from getting her drunk and having my way with her while she's passed out. I suppose to me character and self respect is way too important.



I don't think that your argument follows, logically. 

There are many people who are deceptive, sneaky, and willing to break vows, that have very high respect for themselves.  I can think of a few politicans right off the top of my head.  Is it because it is a woman that you consider that she would have no respect for herself to do something you consider morally wrong? 

I know you later say that you object to the morally and mentally weak.  But for the morally weak politicans, I really doubt that it is easy to get them to submit.  Just lots of money.    But I just don't see that this means that; therefore your logic doesn't follow.  Anyway, to each his own. 

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 8:54:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I understand your intent.    My take was that you were saying single people who get involved with married are afraid of emotional attachment.  I was just giving an example of how a single person can be very emotionally attached.  There is more to it, but I only speak for myself. 

Thank you for the explanation. 

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 9:03:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		lapersence,
Generally speaking, single people who seek out only people who are attached, yes they are afraid of getting emotionally connected. That is my impression. Think about it a moment..you are single, have no other attachements, but only choose to be with people who cannot attach themselves to you...its a theory im working on.
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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 9:11:03 AM   
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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 9:12:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am just dropping by, momentarily. I have to say, that I wish lapresence could be cloned, as far as her manner (independent of content) of responding to others, on this topic (and wish she could have been around on some others on similar topic areas). My compliments to her. Maybe things are looking up.

SirDiscipliner69: Is it really, seriously your hope to get every single person to agree here? Would that be realisitic?

I think people should be polite to eachother, when folks comment. I am just wondering why people cannot all have their own opinions, here, which is not what you seem to think, Sir D.

Guess I am wondering really, what your goal is, and just felt compelled out of curiosity, to ask.

Especially when you state your open-mindnedness as a thread-host, w/such liberal, 'come-one-come-all', attitude-adjusting thoughts such as: "Those who don't agree with me, will simply have to move  on." 

I obviously need more sleep, I am usually not crabby. Back to bed for me...

- Susan

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 9:19:35 AM   
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No such thing as a true dom or subbie...but good luck in your serach

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    Ummm did you read what I wrote or miss it when I said my relationship was pretty close to perfect.   Ohhhh maybe you meant I should search and seek someone to sneak around with and see how long it would take for me to get away with it.

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 9:26:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		okay, im puzzled....

i thought to be a good Dom/sub that there had to be 'emotions' - if someone is afraid to become emotionally attatched then how can the D's relationship work? i have always thought that the lifestyle were too deep both mentally & physically for one not to become emotional in any way.

sometimes being blonde (& still fairly new to this)sucks!!


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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 9:35:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fast reply in response to no one in paticular---but this thread makes me wonder---does extreeme loneliness and no sex cause some sort of brain damage?

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 9:46:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		At first I thought that you were joking with this, and that you were using humor to agree with me. But my girl insists she's certain you're actually serious. So, alright.

First, I'm not so certain 'logic' is a word you want to use. There are no rhetorical arguements in the opinion I stated except for a very straightforward arguement by definition. If you freely take a vow, youre basically committing to keeping it on your word and honor. If you choose otherwise without seeking release from the commitment, or  evade via deception, then you're being morally weak. Its not really my definition, unless you believe I force people to get married.

These aren't really my definitions, though., I think part of the problem is a confusion in what I mean by the phrase 'self respect'. It's not the same as self interest, which is really I think what the politicans and spouses you seem to be defending are acting out of.

I also find it curious that you interpret my statements to apply to women who cheat and not men. I do have a tendency to refer to submissives in the feminine, and I should, I confess be more careful with that, as it generally alludes to personal experience and not a deeper view. But in no place do I say 'what is morally right for a woman'. I say whats morally right for people who take on a moral obligation. That is simply keeping it.

But your final premise was simply golden. Just for comedic shock value I think it's brilliant. That cheating spouses should feel good about themselves because politicians lie, too. Kudos for coming up with a proposition thats simply too preposterous to easily be confronted on any rational level.


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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 9:54:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		My guess is that many people's personal opinions on this topic are just too emotionally-based, for rational discussion to take place.

Also, it's been my oberservation that in these kinds of discussions, generalizations can abound, and many times from people who never have actually found themselves personally contemplating infidelity because they were tempted by, say, extreme extenuating circumstances, as far as fidelity is concerned. 

But maybe some consider anything that pertinent, to be beside the point (and maybe it is - although IMO, only in some cases). I don't believe in the catch-all generlization, until one has truly walked on another's shoes. I am old, and I am tired.

I don't actually think it's realistic for Sir Discipliner69, to have even introduced it as a topic, or to expect anything but a 'war-torn' out-come. I've been around this block, before.

But good luck to all who can participate, without losing their heads, and hearts, in the process. Truly, and best wishes.

-Susan

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 9:56:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		YES delicous,a willing submissive without the 24-7 troubles,,,hnh

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 10:09:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

How many others prefer the submissive female to be married?

Would you agree there is a deliciousness to a woman that is not getting what she needs at home?

I have found the eagarness and willingness to serve and please Me is well rewarded and makes training very enjoyable for Both.


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When i was doing that i found it very stressful, so glad those days are over.

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RE: How many others prefer the submissive female to be ... - 4/13/2007 10:26:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hehe. proudsub you are a smart lady. You Stanford grads are are all the same, he, IMO. HUGs! 

- Susan

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