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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 6:36:36 PM   
Invictus754


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When I said child I ment pre-puberty. Yes, I admit there is nothing wrong with consenting adults engaging in role play. But I can't help but wonder where the fantasys come from. I can't help but think that there is a possiblity that the person has fantasied about childern, wheather or not the would act on is a whole other senrio.I understand the teacher student thin completely, and the pretending like both are younger. And doing it for theriputic reasons, I have experince with this. 

Trying to understand this fully    Casie


Fortunately for ALL of us here, fantasy is still legal in the U.S. 
 
I would hate to see the laws the 'thought police' would pass with Bush as the president.
 
Your words "But I can't help but wonder where the fantasys come from. I can't help but think that there is a possiblity that the person has fantasied about childern," are disturbing to me, because they imply that if it isn't YOUR fantasy it is wrong.  Just because someone has fantasized about using children in a sexual way does not make them sick, perverted or twisted.   FANTASY is just that - (from dictionary.com, the first four definitions:)

1.imagination, esp. when extravagant and unrestrained.
2.the forming of mental images, esp. wondrous or strange fancies; imaginative conceptualizing.
3.a mental image, esp. when unreal or fantastic; vision: a nightmare fantasy.
4.Psychology. an imagined or conjured up sequence fulfilling a psychological need; daydream.

So you can see that no matter what the FANTASY, it is not something that we should be squicked by - because most likely it is just the imaginings that are fulfilling a psychological need, and not the precursor to bad deeds.  Every year more spouses kill each other  than people who have "children fantasies" abuse children. (And I would have cited numbers, but I let my subscription to "Homicide Studies" online run out. Damn!)

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 6:39:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not comfortable with age play - In fact - I like to see ID. Fortunately, my inner voice would not shut up until I veiwed this straping 6  ft  2inch bearded potential subs ID. He was perfect, attentive, submissive and georgous. Well.. fate would have it that I was in the company of a 17 year old. Although I am a black Domme- my complexion turned pearl white- or atleast it felt that way- Feeling rather faint - I requested adouble shot of expresso-explained to him that I  could not be comfortable interacting with someone so young- under age- illegal- minor- possible jail time - parents very angry-face on milk carton-  And as far as someone acting young- NOPE!!! I prefer a grown ass man submitting to Me.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 6:40:43 PM   
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I'm a very open minded person.  I'm open to alot of things.  But a guy has been telling me he wants me to pretend I'm 13 years old... and I just think thats way too bizarre and perverse.  When I said this to him, he said I "don't understand age play".

I can understand playing the role of someone young and innocent.  But I don't understand playing the role of a CHILD.  I think that people into this, without any offense to anyone here, possibly have a problem.

What does everyone else think?  Am I just ignorant or is there something very weird about age playing so young?


I think that age play can be fun and exciting and hint of the dangerous.  Child at 13?  In a lot of ways, a girl of 13 is a child.  But she is not necessarily pre-puberty.  As has been noted, the two people involved are PLAYING at it with that as the age given.  If he was to play 50 and you were to play 17, would that make it any more right?  And are those who are into fantasizing and roleplaying a toddler sick?  Or are their desires just different?  Yes, there are some places I won't go....dealing with an adult playing an infant is one of them...but as long as the adults are consenting, know it is play, and no harm is coming from it then I do not think there is anything wrong.  Just as I do not think doing a fantasy rape scene is going to lead to a dominant actually going out and seeking to rape or a submissive going out and deliberately seeking to BE raped.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 6:47:50 PM   
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Say you're an adult.  Actually, you are, so this part should be easy!
Next, say you're attracted to kids.  Minors.

A lot of people are.  There seems to be a taboo over it, like there's been over homosexuality, and a lot of the same ideas surrounding- "oh, it's their choice", "they're just sick", "they're evil", etc.

Now, if you're an adult, and the only thing that works for you is kids, what're your choices?
-Celebacy.
-Raping a minor.
-Seducing a minor.
-Roleplaying with an adult.

I'm not sure about any of you, but, no sex, ever?  Hah.. yeah.. that's a good one.
Raping a kid?  Just because an adult is sexually attracted to kids doesn't mean he's a rapist!
Seducing a kid?  Lots of legal trouble.  May scar the kid for life (not sure if that's true or not, but I've heard it both ways).
Roleplaying with a consenting adult who also enjoys it?  No minors even at risk of being harmed?  My friends, we have a winner.

What does it, does it for people.  Personally, I'm going to vote for every damn gay rights act that they try to pass (to the point of equality, not superiority).  I'm straight without a doubt in my mind, but I can't help but sympathize with being sexually attracted to a taboo that everyone around you will pursecute you for.  I like girls in chains, after all.  I'm not going to begin to critize someone attracted to minors trying to deal with it in the most responsible way possible- with another consenting adult.

(PS-  I like getting in touch with my inner kid sometimes.  Feels so much more honest.  I really believe myself to be an eight-year old at heart.  Not normally on the outside, but I can be playful.. on blue moons.)

Edit-  To make my view clear, I'm tired of having slaves coming to me with stories of being raped.  I do not undertand the change from people marrying at twelve and thirteen not too many generations ago to the far, far later marriage dates.  It's more convinent, yes, and good for some, yes, but this doesn't mean everyone.
Sex shouldn't be denied to people.  No pedophiles, not gays, not dominants, not sadists, not anyone.  It should, however, be carried out in a manner that does not endanger the rights or well-being of others.  Roleplay between consenting adults is a good thing.  I'm powerfully for it.  Both the pedophiles and the kids can win on this one.

DISCLAIMER:  I'm -not- saying all age-play is pedophilia related.  I am saying some is.  I am making an argument based off that portion, however minor or major it may be.  I'm just hoping everyone can be honset enough with themselves as to enjoy their life, whatever form it may take, and do so in a way that doesn't prevent others from enjoying their own.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 7:18:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Casie
When I said child I ment pre-puberty. Yes, I admit there is nothing wrong with consenting adults engaging in role play. But I can't help but wonder where the fantasys come from. I can't help but think that there is a possiblity that the person has fantasied about childern, wheather or not the would act on is a whole other senrio.I understand the teacher student thin completely, and the pretending like both are younger. And doing it for theriputic reasons, I have experince with this. 

Trying to understand this fully    Casie


Fortunately for ALL of us here, fantasy is still legal in the U.S. 
 
I would hate to see the laws the 'thought police' would pass with Bush as the president.
 
Your words "But I can't help but wonder where the fantasys come from. I can't help but think that there is a possiblity that the person has fantasied about childern," are disturbing to me, because they imply that if it isn't YOUR fantasy it is wrong.  Just because someone has fantasized about using children in a sexual way does not make them sick, perverted or twisted.   FANTASY is just that - (from dictionary.com, the first four definitions:)

1.imagination, esp. when extravagant and unrestrained.
2.the forming of mental images, esp. wondrous or strange fancies; imaginative conceptualizing.
3.a mental image, esp. when unreal or fantastic; vision: a nightmare fantasy.
4.Psychology. an imagined or conjured up sequence fulfilling a psychological need; daydream.

So you can see that no matter what the FANTASY, it is not something that we should be squicked by - because most likely it is just the imaginings that are fulfilling a psychological need, and not the precursor to bad deeds.  Every year more spouses kill each other  than people who have "children fantasies" abuse children. (And I would have cited numbers, but I let my subscription to "Homicide Studies" online run out. Damn!)


I  did not fully finish my thought about the idea of someone fanstising about childern, I did not in anyway mean to infer that I thought fantasy is wrong, Regaurdless of how many actually act out on that fantasy does not change the fact that some do, and you can't be sure who will and who won't so for me having childern I could never be in a relationship with someone I knew had fantasys about childern plain and simple. While I don't see innocent thoughts to be wrong, I think I would feel completely differnt if I knew someone was fantazing about one of my childern in that way.

I have learned alot from these post though I think I now understand that most  age play is like someone who fantasizes about rape....and role plays it and enjoys it, would that person enjoy a true real life rape...probably not, they don't fantasize about it really happening but about a role play of a rape scene they have in there head. so the fantasy is about the role play it's self.......Again not trying to offend people as some seem to be...trying to understand and learn about something forein to me.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 7:23:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey wasn't there a movie that people were being sent to prison for thoughts or was it future crimes because of some imperfect futuristic veiwing  by precognitive twins?

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 7:28:19 PM   
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Hey wasn't there a movie that people were being sent to prison for thoughts or was it future crimes because of some imperfect futuristic veiwing  by precognitive twins?


"Minority Report."



When I first starting discussing Daddy/Girl play with John, I discovered that we both wanted slightly different things. I wanted a Daddy -- sort of a Leather Daddy but not necessarily part of the Leather Folk hiercharcy. A type of mentor: someone who could make me feel safe and doted on and who could melt me into a puddle. John is actually into the ageplay: schoolgirl outfits and ribbons and bubblegum and and and ... (he draws only a broken line at glitter ). I wasn't overly familiar with ageplay, and already knew that he hates to have assumptions made about him. So, I asked:

"How old of a daughter are we talking, here?"

I swear, his eyes nearly popped out of his head. He looked striken that I'd feel the need to ask (Dude! Assumptions?!?), but quickly specified that he was looking at around 16 ... that thin line in certain states, and the one that most reminded him of high school frolicking.

Sometimes my girl persona seems a hell of a lot younger than 16. Like a very immature 16 year old who is hopped up on sugar and cartoons. After a few months I stopped talking like Edith Ann, at least.

Would this sort of relationship be unhealthy if I actually was John's 16 year old daughter? Almost certainly, and defnitely from a legal standpoint. Is it questionable that he considers me part of his chosen family, simultaneously occupying the niches of daughter and (possible? actual?) life partner? Considering most of the Daddy/girl and Daddy/boy/boi I've seen, not in my experience.

If you're not comfortable with playing a minor for someone else's fantasy, then you're not. But someone being interested in something that you consider a hard limit doesn't make them anymore unhinged than your interest in something they abhor would make you borderline insane. It's relative.

"You want what you want, and there's nothing wrong with that.
It's how you go about getting it that's where the morality kicks in."
- an ex of mine

As long as you're not being literally forced into the role, I think that anyone who approaches you about it is probably as sane as anyone else you encounter whose private life you know little about.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 8:39:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can certainly understand where you are coming from as this is a sensitive subject for many.  I have done age play a few times.  There wasn't much need for pretending as the people I did this with were old enough to be my Daddy.  It was extremely sexual and I had a lot of fun. Now recently, I attended a littles easter egg hunt.  There was nothing sexual about the event at all.  It was just some adults acting like children and some guys acting like Daddy's.  They colored some pictures, dyed eggs, and did an easter egg hunt. So if age play comes in the form of something like an easter egg hunt that isn't sexual at all, is it okay?   What do you feel is not okay about other people's fantasies when they are carried out between consenting adults?

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 8:42:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		A man who is really into rape play who I didn't absolutely trust would squick me out too. 
But it still is harmless play. 

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 9:08:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		To the OP, I can see 3 possible avenues this could go from, depending on how he answers these questions:  Is it the emotional part of ageplay he's attracted too, or is it the physical trappings of ageplay? And if it is the emotional part, how does he view it, either he wants an adult woman to PRETEND to act 13, or does he want you to actually act 13?

If he simply wants the physical trappings without the emotional byplay involved in ageplay, thats one thing.  I'm attracted to the schoolgirl/cheerleader/ribbons in the hair/black patent mary jane look myself, but I have no desire for her to pretend or act like the age she's dressed as ( unless its a humiliation thing, then its a maybe)

The second questions a bit more sutble, and to be honest, I'm not entirely sure on how to explain. The best way I can think of is the difference in "going through the motions" without the emotional involvement, and actually falling into the emotions.  Acting  is the best way I can think of.  Actors when rehearsing often go through some called blocking, which is where they practice the motions and movements necessary for whatever performance their putting on, but they don't "put on" the character their are playing.  But when it comes to the refining process and then the actual performance, they emotionally fall into the role, in essence subsuming thier own natural desires//impulse/emotions to the ovelay of the character they are portraying.  Johnny Depp is an actor that I've heard that does this, supposedly when they start actaully filming a movie he's in, he never comes out of the role until filming is finished, for any reason whatsoever.

It all breaks down into levels when it comes to rolepay in general and ageplay fall into that category. I found ageplay distasteful in its entireity for a long time, but I finally realized it was the full emotional involvement that I didn't like at all, not the outfits and mannerisms.  I hope that gives you a new angle to work from, maybe a new way of looking at, its cetainly helped me quite a bit

Best of luck

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 9:28:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		The first time I came across age play was in a chat room and I could not BELIEVE it. I was shocked, appalled, grossed out, and the newborn mama in me (just 9 months old) over reacted. I was nasty, catty, and judgemental. Those people were WRONG.

My daughter is now 8, not 9 months old. And Princess Marie is 5 years old, and has been for 4 or so years now. Marie lives inside me.

My first revelation came from reading. I really encourage you to find websites on this as well as this thread, and read up on the other links provided. I learned a bit and the effort of research and reading calmed my indignant overprotective fire.

Then a while after I met M, one day I ended up saying very flippantly "thank you Daddy." But what first came out as sarcastic really made me think and I realized that...wow. Not only did he treat me a lot like the way I stereotype "fathers" treat daughters, I liked it!! Not only did I like it...I wanted to explore it more!!

So we talked. I told him how I loved that he was protective of me, and nurturing, and tried to keep me from danger, and the way he was thoughtful and reminded me of things sometimes. We agreed that when I called him Daddy he would treat me like his lil girl.  At first it was completely non-sexual.

Sometimes the little Princess is sexual. Once was when he was beating himself up for having hurt me (emotionally) unintentionally. He could not accept "I forgive you" from me. So I just shifted mentally, and out came "Daddy? I love you..." and I kissed away his tears and kissing and snuggling led to more and he tried to stop me because he viewed our age play as non-sexual. I said something like "I love you Daddy...all of you. Even your bad parts. I forgive you. This is the best way to show you I forgive you. You love me, even when I'm bad, and I love you always too."

It's pretty hard for me to remain little and sexual at the same time. But when I do, it's special.

I wrote that description so that you could understand that I'm not trying to say your limits are wrong. Having said that......

Yer limits are yer limits. If the ~possibility~ that someone could want to act on a fantasy of theirs bothers you, that's cool. I'd assume that you also refuse to do knife play for the possibility that they would act on a fantasy of stabbing you, and refuse to do any kind of choking play. And maybe refuse to drive in a car because there is a POSSIBILITY that the brakes might fail, or another driver might be drunk or...

I'm sure the exaggerations above prove a point. The point is not intended to say you are silly, or foolish, or that your limits aren't cool. It is to say that everything we do involves risk. I am not going to put in a BDSM profile "age player looking for Daddy." I will, however, with MY daddy, who I know and love and knew very well when we started this, and who I trust, do age play. Difference? While there is a possibility that some random person might actually fantasize about finding a 5 year old and indulging their fantasies, I knew Daddy well enough to know that he doesn't.

It's a distinction I make about submission a lot. I don't consider myself _A_ submissive. Why? Because if Sir is hit by a car and dies tomorrow, I'm not going to go seek out a Dom. I'm going to be a Domme. Submission will not be even considered. I'm not _A_ submissive. I'm Sir's submissive. He inspires it, he brings it out in me, and he is the only one I want to submit to.

In the same way, I'm not _an age player_. I'm not _a little girl_. I'm Daddy's little girl. My desire to go little and be Princess Marie is ONLY inspired by the safety, security, and trust I have in my relationship with Sir, my Daddy. I would not seek out another Daddy if I lost mine.

Hoping some of that helps make sense

~E

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 9:31:53 PM   
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Now recently, I attended a littles easter egg hunt.  There was nothing sexual about the event at all.  It was just some adults acting like children and some guys acting like Daddy's.  They colored some pictures, dyed eggs, and did an easter egg hunt


OOOOHHH!!!! ~squealing~ This sounds like soooooo much FUN!!!! I think I'll try to organize one of these next year in the area.

~Princess Marie

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 9:40:18 PM   
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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 9:58:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		[quote}I'd assume that you also refuse to do knife play for the possibility that they would act on a fantasy of stabbing you, and refuse to do any kind of choking play. [/quote]

To that is completely differnt and not even comparable. For the simple fact that I am the one at risk and I choose those risks. It is completely differnt when innocent childern are involved. Like many said very few actually act on the fantasy, but statistics mean nothing when it happens to your child. I can't imagen anyone would not feel horrible guilt if they had someone who they knew had those fantasy about childern around there child and something happend.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 10:17:32 PM   
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To that is completely differnt and not even comparable. For the simple fact that I am the one at risk and I choose those risks. It is completely differnt when innocent childern are involved. Like many said very few actually act on the fantasy, but statistics mean nothing when it happens to your child. I can't imagen anyone would not feel horrible guilt if they had someone who they knew had those fantasy about childern around there child and something happend.


I think they are comparable in that you evaluate the risk, evaluate the person, use what you know of the person to decide how risky it is.

Innocent children are not involved with my age play. I've been there, done that, had many lovers and am a consenting adult. So is my Daddy.

I do see the difference between putting yourself or your children at risk. By choosing not to indulge in age play, however, you are only protecting your children from pedophiles who do age play. Would you feel any less guilty if the guy you do knife play with did something with them? Everytime your children meet another adult who spends time with them alone, or large amounts of time with them, you take the risk that the adult is a pedophile.

What I hear you saying is that you think that people who indulge in age play are actually a higher risk for being actual pedophiles than others into kink, and I don't agree with that assessment. I think that people who indulge in consensual age play are more likely to be those with more control and a more acceptable (to me) handle on reality than most pedophiles and less likely to actually abuse children.

I consider very carefully who my child is alone with, and I am equally cautious with vanillas as with kinksters. While I understand saying that statistics mean nothing when it is your kid who is abused, I also have to evaluate risk and choose those activities whose risk factor is acceptable to me. The way I see the situation, age play isn't a higher risk or an unacceptable risk.

I can certainly understand if you choose not to engage in age play because it doesn't turn you on, push your buttons, or float your boat. I also understand that it is a limit for you because you feel it is an unacceptable risk in the light of your children.

But don't tell me people are wrong for being interested in it. And trust me, Daddy and I have no interests in your children or anyone else's.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/17/2007 10:20:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have enjoyed some very hot scenes involving the fantasy of a schoolgirl being brutally abducted and raped by an evil sadist.  The "young schoolgirl" was a 45 year old man and I was the evil sadist who slapped "her" around with my huge cock, choked her with it and mercilessly tore away her "virginity". 

I do get off on that....but only because my partner is an adult, and physically male, and also my well liked and trusted friend when we're not in scene space.  What's hot to me is the fantasy, played out by consenting adults who like and trust each other.  I couldn't relax and enjoy something like that if I wasn't absolutely sure that my partner was able to give fully informed adult consent from a basically healthy and emotionally stable headspace.  I also couldn't do it if I didn't fundamentally like and trust my partner and consider him a friend.

I can't think of anyone less likely to be interested in an actually underage/immature or nonconsenting person than me.  If I even begin to suspect that my sub/bottom isn't fully consenting, or isn't healthy or mature enough to give fully informed consent, or even that they aren't really having fun, my interest in scening clicks off like a light and doesn't turn back on again until I'm reassured in all particulars.  Someone who isn't physically and emotionally mature, stable and able to negotiate with me from a competent adult headspace is simply not going to interest me.  I actually tend to end up playing with much older subs and bottoms, because I trust and appreciate their maturity level.

My current "boy" with whom I'm exploring a genderbent gay male relationship is in his 70's.  I wouldn't say we do age play per se, but the dynamic leans towards Daddy/boy.  I trust his emotional maturity and consent, and he trusts mine, and we surely do have fun together.  And just as surely our dynamic has absolutely nothing to do with actual minors in any way, shape or form. 

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/18/2007 7:25:06 AM   
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[quote}I'd assume that you also refuse to do knife play for the possibility that they would act on a fantasy of stabbing you, and refuse to do any kind of choking play.


To that is completely differnt and not even comparable. For the simple fact that I am the one at risk and I choose those risks. It is completely differnt when innocent childern are involved. Like many said very few actually act on the fantasy, but statistics mean nothing when it happens to your child. I can't imagen anyone would not feel horrible guilt if they had someone who they knew had those fantasy about childern around there child and something happend.



Though you say you understand more now...and you may be understanding a bit more...you are still looking at this in two different ways:  This is what I gather from what you are saying...you believe that:

If a dominant harbors thoughts about rape...and decides to channel it into a rape fantasy involving his submissive....and she consents...then it is O.K..

If a dominant has fantasies about forcing a woman to fuck not only him but his gang of friends...and decides to channel that into a fantasy of gangbanging his submissive while she "protests"...and she consents...then it is O.K..

If a dominant harbors thoughts about sex with an innocent young girl of 12/13/14...and decides he wants his submissive to not only act this age but play it up more...be his daughter/stepdaughter...and she is O.K. with it...it is still possible that this dominant but not the dominants noted above...will actually act on his thoughts and actually harm a child.  From what do you glean this?  Is he keeping magazines showing actual little girls in their underwear...or is he keeping magazines showing adult women dressed in little girl underwear?  Is he keeping illegal porn photos showing actual little girls posing seductively...or is he keeping legal porn showing adult women dressed/made to look like little girls posing seductively?  There is a difference between those.  Is he hanging around school yards?  Does he show an overt, exaggerated interest in children?  Does he have trouble interacting with adults his own age?  These are clues too that something might be wrong.  But...if he is doing none of these things but has fantasies...just as the other dominants do...he is somehow more of a danger than they are to act on his thoughts in an illegal, harmful way???

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/18/2007 9:26:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Casie

I  did not fully finish my thought about the idea of someone fanstising about childern, I did not in anyway mean to infer that I thought fantasy is wrong, Regaurdless of how many actually act out on that fantasy does not change the fact that some do, and you can't be sure who will and who won't so for me having childern I could never be in a relationship with someone I knew had fantasys about childern plain and simple. While I don't see innocent thoughts to be wrong, I think I would feel completely differnt if I knew someone was fantazing about one of my childern in that way.

I have learned alot from these post though I think I now understand that most  age play is like someone who fantasizes about rape....and role plays it and enjoys it, would that person enjoy a true real life rape...probably not, they don't fantasize about it really happening but about a role play of a rape scene they have in there head. so the fantasy is about the role play it's self.......Again not trying to offend people as some seem to be...trying to understand and learn about something forein to me.



I don't know about other people, but my fantasies are not about role-playing what is happening. I sometimes have them about the utmost taboo things and in my imagination it's happening for real. 

My fertile imagination goes places that shock me sometimes but that's all it is....thoughts, imagining and wondering. I don't have any control over what I think in that way nor do I censore it or feel badly about it. I love the private world of totally unrestrained imagination.

agirl

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/18/2007 9:56:19 AM   
Najakcharmer


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If a dominant harbors thoughts about sex with an innocent young girl of 12/13/14...and decides he wants his submissive to not only act this age but play it up more...be his daughter/stepdaughter...and she is O.K. with it...it is still possible that this dominant but not the dominants noted above...will actually act on his thoughts and actually harm a child.


Exactly.  The whole point of the age play fantasy that I'm having fun with my consenting ADULT partners.  The reality of trying to share an intimate fantasy with someone who actually was that immature would be a total turnoff even aside from the ethical issues.  I've had fun getting a 45 or 70 year old partner to dress up like a schoolgirl or a schoolboy.  They look hot.  But the hotness is because it's an adult dressing and acting that way.  The real thing....blechhhh. 


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Is he keeping magazines showing actual little girls in their underwear...or is he keeping magazines showing adult women dressed in little girl underwear?  Is he keeping illegal porn photos showing actual little girls posing seductively...or is he keeping legal porn showing adult women dressed/made to look like little girls posing seductively?  There is a difference between those.  Is he hanging around school yards?  Does he show an overt, exaggerated interest in children?  Does he have trouble interacting with adults his own age?  These are clues too that something might be wrong.


Those would be good clues.  I don't think you'll find them, for the most part, with people who are into age play.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/18/2007 10:44:36 AM   
masterdstar


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Status: offline 		Well since it is being addressed as "role-play” that is a different thing from Age Play. It’s why I so dislike using the term PLAY at all but then that’s just Me apparently.
“…I am a little girl in a grown ups body. I love being taken care of when I am good and disciplined when I am naughty.”

First off the seemingly required tiresome NO! Quite simply, pedophilia and age play are COMPLETELY different. Age players are not interested in children; they are interested in adults who can "regress" or play the part of a child to think otherwise is like equating a sadist who can't find a willing masochist. He then seeks out someone randomly to beat and abuse. That's not Bd/SM; that's a criminal.
Age is relative; of course youth is attractive. I don’t mean this in the sense of “trying” to NOT act your “AGE” but rather it is the mind mature where many slaves find their greatest sense of servitude fulfilled in a regained innocence. They intuit that service here is somehow more meaningful. And on the Other side there is certain longingness in there, a kind of denial, but also it is in a younger slave where the Master finds the energy of desire to be molded fully to be attractive. AG can range from an infant in diapers to the rebellious yet innocent teen. Many lils’ find a need for comfort and removal from the “grown-up worlds demands” in AG, some Doms find a need to “Parent” and yes S/some need to have a socially forbidden sexual relationship BUT all these "choices" are by and with consenting adults.
There are M/many though that live this as a reality where it is the parent/child connection that has at its core the unconditional love one had as a child. Perhaps for some AG is a way to have that which they in fact never had and are ISO, others may simply miss the lack of adult complexity in that stage, in which  simply walking down the street holding hands you can have that sweet slight knowing smile of how “different” even this simple act is because of the “special” relationship it comes from.
From My POV it is rather silly to see this “play” in a light that is less than accepting but perhaps think nothing of “play” rape or whipping or scat “play”. it is all in the end the same merely different expressions of the human need for accaptence one way or another that makes sense to ONLY T/those involved.
Perhaps a trouble today is so M/many are only interested in the “Play” rather than the reality?

Enjoy your wonder-filled day

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