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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:04:12 AM   
WhiplashSmile


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Status: offline 		For some people them acting out a rape scene is a hard limit, because it feels too much like the real deal.   Some of the people that are repulsed by rape scenes carry the same tune as you do.  

"If somebody thinks about rape they are a rapist"

In short, you have a hard limit block in your mind about this, that you yourself can not get past.   

You'll have people that Rape scenes are hard limit, they will be going on about how much it creeps them out.  They will be saying anybody who acts out rape scenes is really a rapist... 

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:04:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow... I know you didn't intend to offend anyone but... this touched me...

(Any caps are not used in anger but to express the importance of the word which is capped)

The thing people need to understand is that ageplay is NOT pedophilia.... Ageplayers do NOT want a child!!! They want an ADULT with and ADULT MIND. The thing is... the average adult loses their sweet quirkiness and innocent curiosity. In comes ageplay.... It is simply the simplest term, though wording could be better and words to define it would be very helpful! It's just so difficult to explain to a world of people that rarely have it within them. Imagine your "inner child"...... we all have one.... Now imagine that the inner child within you never goes away.... you always see the world with innocent curiosity and silliness and a need to be nurtured and guided. That is what I like to call an "everchild" - an "ageplayer".... Of course some people get turned on by this, but MANY do not...... (I do not...) It is just who I am.... Some men like to see a girl who is able to express their innocence and flaunt it. I know men who's hearts melt at a girl in pigtails with a cute dress on and a shy smile.... or pouty lips. It is the adult embracing their cuteness, innocence and this rare type of beauty which they adore.... not that they represent a "child".... they do not! They represent an adult who hasn't lost a magick over the years which so many adults do. Of course many adults gain new magick, not to say all ageplayers do not..... many have both.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:04:25 AM   
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Fantasizing about rape and fantasizing about sex with CHILDREN are two completely different things!

How?  You're not explaining how.

You're just saying "It's wrong! It's bad!"  But you aren't explaining why or how X is ok but Y is not.

You need to be able to explain to people these things.  What if I told you that YOUR fantasy was wrong and bad?  Would you just believe me or want to know exactly where I came up with that?

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:05:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tulipgoose
Ageplayers do NOT want a child!!!

Tulip, some do.  Or at least some want the illusion of it.  They really do.

Most don't of course.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:07:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

Look in terms of BDSM stuff...

Slavery is outlawed.. yet there a Slaves and Slave owners..
There people acting out Rape scenes..
There are people acting out Torture...
There are people acting out Age Play scenes..  Student/Teacher and etc..
There are people acting out Doctor/Patient scenes..

Hell none of this if done in reality is legal.   Now the only one the seems to hang up is you.  Because when this is all done by concenting adults No crimes are happening!.

I guess if you really stop and think about it... if you apply the standards of thinking you are trying to apply... Everybody in BDSM should seek out therapy for thier criminal fantasies/   This is all Fantasy!  Dugh!...   

I can clearly see from reading the OPs profile, she even admits she is not experienced in this lifestyle even.

Honey, there are people that think or had a fantasy about Killing somebody! Does this make them a danger to society.   It's perfectly natural for everybody to have dark thoughts at times and have Dark Fantasies.  Hell any Shrink will explain this to you!..   It's only a problem when somebody carries out these fantasies for Real and cause somebody harm.    Now people in BDSM act these things out with one another...  Really Simple concept to grasp!    




I don't think you, or anyone else, is really taking in what I am saying.

The difference between me, you, and most people in the BDSM scene is that we are sane, consenting adults.  The moment that you start fantasizing about sex with children, is the moment that something mentally is going wrong.  We ALL fantasize about killing to some extent, and anyone that says otherwise is a liar.  It is even healthy to a certain extent to do so.  But I can safely say that I have NEVER fantasized about sex with a child, and never, ever will.

Pedophelia is a mental illness.  You people have your, I don't know, priorities completely screwed up.  Fantasies about sex with children can in no way be compared to other, adult and sane fantasies.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:08:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: tulipgoose
Ageplayers do NOT want a child!!!

Tulip, some do.  Or at least some want the illusion of it.  They really do.

Most don't of course.


Well... then they are a pedophile, as well as an ageplayer. Ageplay is not about wanting a child....

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:08:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because you're making the base assumption that pedophiles are ill.  It's not a logical arguement.. it's an assumption which you're failing to support.  It's also a major downfall of your logic, which everyone can easily see.

Edit:  I'll make it clear.

Your argument is fundamentally flawed because you can not provide a sound basis for labelling pedophiles as mentally ill.  Because of this, all of your logic is circular.

You:  "I'm always right."
Person:  "Why?"
You:  "Because I said so."
Person:  "Why does that mean it's so?"
You:  "Because I'm always right."
And it just loops, and loops, and loops.  In this case, everything you're saying it reliant on the fact that pedophiles are this mystical stamp of "mentally ill", which it's blantly obvious you've never taken a Psych class, because you're really exagerating the importance of this term.  Not that you can support it being true, to begin with.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:08:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SweetMegan20
Pedophelia is a mental illness.  You people have your, I don't know, priorities completely screwed up.  Fantasies about sex with children can in no way be compared to other, adult and sane fantasies.

It's funny how you really don't get how silly this sounds when you say that rape fantasies are adult and sane but underage sex fantasies are mentally ill.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:09:03 AM   
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Fantasizing about rape and fantasizing about sex with CHILDREN are two completely different things!  Pedophiles need help, and quite frankly I am fed up with these ridiculous comparisons to other, perfectly healthy fantasies.  Pedophiles are mentally ILL!!  How many times do I have to repeat this?  How many times are you going to repeat the same arguments?

There's so many aspects to BDSM that can be looked at a mentally ill. 
Now I can see where if somebody thinks about little 4-5 years old.. yes, that is an Ill thought!  However, there are a shit load of men in society that will see a 13 year old Girl and wish they could Bang the Hell out of that!   This is the case with Most men!  So what ALL men are Pedophiles!

There are a lot of men, that look at young teenage Girls this way!  Now tell me all these men are mentally ill!...


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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:10:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tulipgoose
Well... then they are a pedophile, as well as an ageplayer. Ageplay is not about wanting a child....

For some people it is, or is a part of it.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:12:18 AM   
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Because you're making the base assumption that pedophiles are ill.  It's not a logical arguement.. it's an assumption which you're failing to support.  It's also a major downfall of your logic, which everyone can easily see.


If you don't think pedophiles are ill, and if thats how everyone else here arguing with me feels, then you're all in the wrong, and should have nothing to do with the bdsm scene.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:13:41 AM   
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I'm a very open minded person.  I'm open to alot of things.  But a guy has been telling me he wants me to pretend I'm 13 years old... and I just think thats way too bizarre and perverse. 


Fact 1 for a few thousand years!  Coming of Age for a Women was 13!  Where she would get married.  Why, because she was simply sexual developed at that time.  13 years of age!  Do some history research on this...

Fact 2  many Vanilla and BDSMers look and have fantasies about Banging young teenage Girls.. This is so natural it's not funny!  Because they are young and just developed.  WOW....


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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:13:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

There's so many aspects to BDSM that can be looked at a mentally ill. 
Now I can see where if somebody thinks about little 4-5 years old.. yes, that is an Ill thought!  However, there are a shit load of men in society that will see a 13 year old Girl and wish they could Bang the Hell out of that!   This is the case with Most men!  So what ALL men are Pedophiles!

There are a lot of men, that look at young teenage Girls this way!  Now tell me all these men are mentally ill!...



Yes.  They are.  You really think most men think this way??  You're completley wrong.  Do you feel that way about 13 year old girls?

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:13:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SweetMegan20

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Because you're making the base assumption that pedophiles are ill.  It's not a logical arguement.. it's an assumption which you're failing to support.  It's also a major downfall of your logic, which everyone can easily see.


If you don't think pedophiles are ill, and if thats how everyone else here arguing with me feels, then you're all in the wrong, and should have nothing to do with the bdsm scene.


Because you're right, regardless of lack of reason.  Also, you're so much more BDSM, and hence decide who's allowed to join the club.  ;)

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:14:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Again, the true concept of it is different then.... if they wanted a child they are a pedo.... if they are with an adult and have them act as a child may because they want a child they are still a pedo even if living out an ageplay life..... but ageplay is about adults... but we all have different definitons of what ageplay is... which makes things so much more difficult.... I agree that some do want that though.... I have known a few people who have... Not the healthiest of folks....

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:15:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello Megan,
OK when my UM was two I had graphic fantasies of putting her in a dog harness around her chest and attatching her to a hook on the wall just leaving her hanging there with her feet dangling about 3ft off the floor unable to get into anything for a while.
Does that mean in your eyes I did that to her???
I also had visions of just jack slapping the crap out of both my kids so hard their head rotated backwards once in a blue moon.
I never one ever hit them in the face like that.
In your mind you're saying I'm a child abuser for thinking that??

Based on your prior responses in here I'm pretty sure your answer is no.

I think you're just like me when it comes to someone actually harming children and that's a good thing.
You're right to be bolistic about real abuse & offended to your core by it.
Age is just a number and I think the real age of consent happens between 12-21 depending on the growth, horemoans, and personalities of someone.
I think I'd put myself in harms way without an instant's hesitation if I thought someone was hurting a kid.
I'd also turn in any one I thought may be harming kids in a second.
I'd say thinking things, and acting on them are clearly defining lines for me.

I think you may need counceling to find out what in your own molestation makes you react so negatively toward adults who do this role play.
If someone can imagine brutally raping someone and not be considered a rapist in your mind, but you don't follow that same logic in your opinion on age play maybe you need to consider you have some unresolved issues you should address.
Mind you this is not a flip, smart assed answer, but rather one of a compassionalte stance.
I honestly only offer this advice because I feel you need deeper healing in your own heart about your own abuse as this thread leavesme to believe you have some heavy unresolved issues with what happened to you.
suzanne

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:16:00 AM   
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Yes.  They are.  You really think most men think this way??  You're completley wrong.  Do you feel that way about 13 year old girls?


OMG... did were you sleeping through human sexuality class?  How about any history about when women would get married.  Did you sleep through history class as well.    Do you even watch the History Channel on TV?  

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:16:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		My sub went through a similar experience. She had a former Dom who wanted to her to pretend that she was his five year old daughter. She was also very creeped out by him doing this and broke from him soon after. So I can understand your point. 

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:17:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

Fact 1 for a few thousand years!  Coming of Age for a Women was 13!  Where she would get married.  Why, because she was simply sexual developed at that time.  13 years of age!  Do some history research on this...


I already know this.  But we also used to burn witches at the stake, and murder anyone that didn't think the world was flat.

Humanity has moved on from then.  Too bad you haven't.

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Fact 2  many Vanilla and BDSMers look and have fantasies about Banging young teenage Girls.. This is so natural it's not funny!  Because they are young and just developed.  WOW....


You're wrong.  Don't presume to speak on the behalf of most people.


If any of you made these ridiculous arguments in the front of a live studio audience, each one of you would get heckled.



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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:17:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		In this life I have seen many different venues, cages would freak anyone that had spent bad times behind bars, age play disturbs parents, I could go on but thats the gist, as long as all partners are happy with what is happening, then by our own rules we are good to go. There can be problems when someone wants something that should be a no brainer, a parent naturaly would not want to do role play and put in the mix age play, thats just a normal reaction, Us as dominants have a responsiblity to make sure our property is taken care of emotionaly, and physicaly keeping them healthy and safe, from what i see on the fact that someone wanted you to play a specific age, your own hardwire doesnt bend that way, ok so that simply is not the dominant for you. both you and him should simply have said ok cool. this wont work with you two. Knowing that things YOU as a woman sub/slave or anything else would want might not apeal and prob doenst (as you can see by the posts) to someothers here.

Key is dont judge, be aware, and make sure the person you choose is honest in his or her desires, and that those desires mesh with yours, both in lifestyle and life.

Most have come to lifestyle to have an outlet for the things most consider outside of the norm, we build our lifes each onto thier own desires, those that are true to those lifes, are to be respected for keeping to what they believe, and keeping everyone happy. It is only wrong when it damages in any way the people you are bound to protect and love.

IMHO only
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