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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/18/2007 10:52:51 AM

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Age players are not interested in children

Some are.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/18/2007 1:38:30 PM

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Isn't it better to act out the fantasy of being with a 13 years old, than to actually do it? I thought that was what fantasy is all about. Rape fantasy is common, yet I hope this does not carry over to real life.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/18/2007 4:07:50 PM

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"Why do some people get turned on by [XYZ]?"

Increasingly, my answer to this question, however it's put and whatever XYZ is, is: because they have the ego-strength to play with XYZ and others don't.

Often, seeing somebody REALLY into XYZ, we mistakenly think that XYZ is the whole, or almost the whole, of their desires. But, in reality, they are just as into ABC and MNO. The same ego-strength that lets them play with XYZ also lets them play with the other kinks as well.

Then there's a propensity for some people to say "Anybody that's REALLY into XYZ had to have undergone some tremendous trauma that they're playing out." It ain't necessarily so, as George Gershwin put it.

It can be perfectly accidental that some people are REALLY into XYZ. Accident may be something like the experience or inexperience of their partner(s). They could have started with a curiosity about ABC, MNO, and XYZ. Then they found a partner who loved ABC but dropped them on their head. The next partner was superb at XYZ, only fair with MNO, and the person never ever wanted to try ABC again.

So if you search through their past to discover why they're focused on XYZ you won't find anything of importance; the interest is essentially accidental.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/18/2007 4:35:36 PM

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I haven't read the rest of this thread yet so other people might have already said the same thing. If so, sorry for the repetition.

I enjoy age play. I consider myself an AB actually. I don't really get any sexual satisfaction from it. Here are four possible reasons why I indulge in the AB lifestyle:

#1)   I feel very comfortable, safe, and secure when I'm in that role. It helps me relax and let go.
#2)   I was emotionally and psychologically abused by my stepdad when I was younger. I always say that he stole
       my childhood. My sisters and I were forced to grow up really quickly. We had to be little adults so that he
       could show us off to impress his business buddies. Maybe I'm trying to regain that innocence that was lost
       now that I'm away from him.
#3)  Children get unconditional love. Kids are cute and everybody loves them. I want that unconditionally love.
#4)  My Dom has a diaper fetish so He reacts positively to what I do. I get lots of praise from Him. Who doesn't
      want that?

Edited to add: I discovered that I enjoyed being an AB after my Dom, who has a diaper fetish, put me in diapers for a while. I started branching out from there. Wearing the diapers triggered memories of fantasies that I used to have as a kid, if you can call them fantasies. I have also done puppy play and lots of other things which makes me think that what Petronius said is true.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/18/2007 6:15:56 PM

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I'm a very open minded person. I'm open to alot of things. But a guy has been telling me he wants me to pretend I'm 13 years old... and I just think thats way too bizarre and perverse. When I said this to him, he said I "don't understand age play".

I can understand playing the role of someone young and innocent. But I don't understand playing the role of a CHILD. I think that people into this, without any offense to anyone here, possibly have a problem.

What does everyone else think? Am I just ignorant or is there something very weird about age playing so young?

That's fine...everyone has their kinks in life.

Just tell him..."That's fine sweety...everyone's different....MY fantasy is to be with a man who has sooooooo much money....he cums 50 dollar bills. And by the way...I want it to be beliavble".

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/18/2007 7:11:13 PM

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Just tell him..."That's fine sweety...everyone's different....MY fantasy is to be with a man who has sooooooo much money....he cums 50 dollar bills. And by the way...I want it to be beliavble".

$50 bills? Pft. Mine's laced with those $25 US coins (which are actually worth hundreds, as you'd be silly to use them for their face value). As you can imagine, orgasms can hurt, but at least I don't have to deal with the paper cuts associated with $50 bills afterwards!

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/18/2007 9:02:36 PM

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I do not think it is healthy to take actual desires for actual minors and play it out on women willing to act underage. People who wish to prey on kids need help, it doesn't change the fact they find adults to pretend to be itty bitty children, wanting to fuck any little child is wrong in my mind.

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Isn't it better to act out the fantasy of being with a 13 years old, than to actually do it?

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 2:16:33 AM

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I do not think it is healthy to take actual desires for actual minors and play it out on women willing to act underage. People who wish to prey on kids need help, it doesn't change the fact they find adults to pretend to be itty bitty children, wanting to fuck any little child is wrong in my mind.
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Isn't it better to act out the fantasy of being with a 13 years old, than to actually do it?

If you're of the opinion people can "get help" to change their sexual preferences, what would you say to a homosexual?

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 2:26:21 AM

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I do not think it is healthy to take actual desires for actual minors and play it out on women willing to act underage. People who wish to prey on kids need help, it doesn't change the fact they find adults to pretend to be itty bitty children, wanting to fuck any little child is wrong in my mind

Then dont engage in it. Wanting to have sex with animals is wrong in some peoples minds too, but people are still into puppy play. And Some people believe that anyone who can enjoy being whiped , beaten, degraded or humiliated need psychological help becasue it isnt healthy. No matter what you are into, there is going to be someone who believes enough therapy will help you see why its wrong.
The thing is, the ones who are seking out young looking women to play as if they are younger to fulfill a fantasy are the ones who are NOT preying on minors. Big deal, a guy (or my case a girl) puts someone in diapers and acts as if they are a baby for a while. I dont see what I am doing as preying on a child. I dont get a sexual kick out of our infantalism play. If someone does, then personaly I am all for them finding a willing adult partner who wil play to their fantasies and allow them to act what they want out... rather then repress it so long it becomes an obsession and eventualy leads to an actual crime.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 3:06:38 AM

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Isn't it better to act out the fantasy of being with a 13 years old, than to actually do it? I thought that was what fantasy is all about. Rape fantasy is common, yet I hope this does not carry over to real life.

There is a huge difference. If you cannot see that, I feel bad for you. Pedophelia is wrong.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 3:09:45 AM

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If you're of the opinion people can "get help" to change their sexual preferences, what would you say to a homosexual?

The attitude of some people shocks me. You would actually compare homosexuality, consensual sex between adults, to pedophelia? If we can help pedophiles to change, we should.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 3:11:13 AM

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I can see myself perhaps playing around with a little age play! Where she's a young innocent teenage girl. You know Teacher/Student type of scene plays.

However, I'm not into Adult Babies wearing Pampers Yike! Now that's really extreme in my book. That just creeps me out....

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 3:17:24 AM

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This is my opinion. If it is NOT about playing out a fantasy about sex with a child, and to do with... I don't know, being looked after, getting love, etc. Then I guess it is fine. But if age players are honest with themselves, and it IS in some way about playing out a fantasy of sex with children, then it is wrong. And that person needs help, not encouragement.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 3:24:44 AM

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Isn't it better to act out the fantasy of being with a 13 years old, than to actually do it? I thought that was what fantasy is all about. Rape fantasy is common, yet I hope this does not carry over to real life.

There is a huge difference. If you cannot see that, I feel bad for you. Pedophelia is wrong.

I keep telling everyone that, but they're not just getting me! Down with the pedophiles! Down with the gays! Down with the sadists and masochists! Down with oral/anal sex! Goooo MISSIONARY! YAYA! Missionary4Life!

Look. People, be they pedophilic or otherwise, have their sexual interests. You can call them "wrong" all you like, but it's who they are, for whatever reasons.
Take a long look in the mirror next time you say something supporting a pedophile repressing his urges that he snaps when he's left to babysit his nine-year old niece alone for a weekend.

PS- You look like you're sixteen in your display pic. You're my age but I wouldn't have guessed it at first glance. The "Sweet" in your alias isn't helping. Not to be accusatory, but is there some deeper interest here?

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 6:00:42 AM

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Isn't it better to act out the fantasy of being with a 13 years old, than to actually do it? I thought that was what fantasy is all about. Rape fantasy is common, yet I hope this does not carry over to real life.

There is a huge difference. If you cannot see that, I feel bad for you. Pedophelia is wrong.

I keep telling everyone that, but they're not just getting me! Down with the pedophiles! Down with the gays! Down with the sadists and masochists! Down with oral/anal sex! Goooo MISSIONARY! YAYA! Missionary4Life!

What are you suggesting with this sarcasm?? You CANNOT compare consensual sex between adults to sex with children, or fantasizing about sex with children!

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Look. People, be they pedophilic or otherwise, have their sexual interests. You can call them "wrong" all you like, but it's who they are, for whatever reasons.
Take a long look in the mirror next time you say something supporting a pedophile repressing his urges that he snaps when he's left to babysit his nine-year old niece alone for a weekend.

I agree that repressing sexual desires isn't healthy. It can drive a person crazy. But is encouraging pedophelic fantasies really a smart way to go with pedophiles?? Surely, age play gives pedophiles the misleading idea that their fantasies are acceptable to carry out.

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PS- You look like you're sixteen in your display pic. You're my age but I wouldn't have guessed it at first glance. The "Sweet" in your alias isn't helping. Not to be accusatory, but is there some deeper interest here?

Just because I look young?? Don't be ridiculous.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 6:09:17 AM

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First part:
I'm just going to hope you get the sarcasm later.

Second part:
"a smart way to go with pedophiles"? You make it sound as though you had some semblence of control, or right to control, what they do! We -don't- have a way to go with pedophiles until they somehow violate or are proven to plan to violate another's rights.

Not that we should even use it, should we have it! You sound like those people who say "OMG, we shouldn't encourage gays! Or, one day, everyone will be gays! And today-gays will be super-gays tommorow with ulta-gay powers of gayess!" (Okay, I had to stop there, as I awas having too much fun with that.)

Edit: I just have to include, "OMG, they're going to end the world in one big anal orgy of gay-don bombs!" Okay, I'm done.. no, really, myself, stop typing..

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Actually, it was because you posted on it -and- looked the part of an "immature" in an age-play relationship. I guess it's one of those things were people who are the most homophobic seem like the biggest closest cases.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 6:16:53 AM

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Second part:
"a smart way to go with pedophiles"? You make it sound as though you had some semblence of control, or right to control, what they do! We -don't- have a way to go with pedophiles until they somehow violate or are proven to plan to violate another's rights.

If a person shows that they have pedophelic feelings, then I think they need some form of counselling. Hopefully, they don't go on to harm anyone.

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Not that we should even use it, should we have it! You sound like those people who say "OMG, we shouldn't encourage gays! Or, one day, everyone will be gays! And today-gays will be super-gays tommorow with ulta-gay powers of gayess!" (Okay, I had to stop there, as I awas having too much fun with that.)

I think the logic part of your brain as malfunctioned. How many times do I have to say it? You cannot compare sex between consentual adults and sex with children! Comparing pedophelia to homosexuality as some sort of justification is completely idiotic, and the classic defense of a pedophile.

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Actually, it was because you posted on it -and- looked the part of an "immature" in an age-play relationship. I guess it's one of those things were people who are the most homophobic seem like the biggest closest cases.

You're judging me on how I look, which isn't very smart.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 6:28:47 AM

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This is my opinion. If it is NOT about playing out a fantasy about sex with a child, and to do with... I don't know, being looked after, getting love, etc. Then I guess it is fine. But if age players are honest with themselves, and it IS in some way about playing out a fantasy of sex with children, then it is wrong. And that person needs help, not encouragement.

Mmmm.. what about all the people role playing out Rape Fantasies for BDSM scenes? Or would you view them as Rapist as well?

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 6:29:06 AM

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First:
Why do you think talking to a shrink would have any effect on sexual preference? Do you believe a shrink could talk you into liking kids?

Second:
Since when is being like a homosexual been a defense? Not in modern "classical" times! Homosexuality's been a crime and a scorn!
I assure you, things you do not understand are not necessarily a malfunction.

Further, I'm not comparing sex with a minor. I said "pedophila", by which I mean, "a sexual attraction towards minors by those who are not minors". I'm defending the idea of using age play as a healthy outlet for those who are attracted to kids.

And, seriously. I have a Chem text book on my lap, balancing equations as we speak. Logic's what I do for a living. I can slip up by careless mistake on minor parts in very large systems. This stuff is as clear as day to me. Only, clearer, since I'm near-sighted in real life. :P

Third:
This is the second time you've said I'm judging you off looks. Looks is about 5% of the reason I said it. The other 95%'s a combination of the fact you made a post about it, when no one else has been moved to since I've been observing the board, and your closet-ish attitude towards it. This, coupled with your appearance- which is often designed by an individual to attract a type of desired mate- is enough circumstantial evidence to have one consider the possiblity you're afraid of this for reasons outside of the stated ones. (Especially considering your stated reasons are being held up by denial at this moment.)

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 6:41:47 AM

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I know in some states the age of consent is a lot lower. I believe Georgia it's 14 years old, or used to be at one time. There are places in the world where Girls get married off at the age of 13 or so. Actually, this age was common age under "so called jewish biblical times"... The so called coming of age at 13. Now there are many places in the world where is nothing wrong with having sex with 13,14,15,16,17. Mind you there are Laws in many US states that vary on the Age of consent and conditions. Anyways, the point is this... In terms of age play regarding ones role as a teenager! Oh Hell... If she is really 24 and wants to pretend she 10 for some guy who's 50 what the Hell is really wrong with this! It's not really molesting a Kid! Just Because somebody thinks or has a fantasy about doing something makes them Guilty. It's if the actually commit a crime. So what if these people fantasize about being molested or wanting to molest, as long as they act it out between themselves. Just like people that play out Rape Scenes.. or Kidnapping Scenes... I suppose next thing that Verbal Humilation in a BDSM scene is Real as well. Need to sperate Fantasy scene play and Reality a little more!!! Hell, I'm certain all the people involved in the Gorean lifestyle know they are not really living on GOR. I actually wonder how many would abandon this world and go to GOR if it really existed. I bet Many people in the Gorean lifetyle would pass on a one way ticket to GOR if it existed. Always a line between Fantasy and Reality! You can act out Fantasy safe and sane without causing anybody true Harm... GO FOR IT!... The minute you cross over the line and start causing other people true harm, Then you have a real problem on your hands...

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