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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:20:50 AM

SweetMegan20

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ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

Hello Megan,
OK when my UM was two I had graphic fantasies of putting her in a dog harness around her chest and attatching her to a hook on the wall just leaving her hanging there with her feet dangling about 3ft off the floor unable to get into anything for a while.
Does that mean in your eyes I did that to her???
I also had visions of just jack slapping the crap out of both my kids so hard their head rotated backwards once in a blue moon.
I never one ever hit them in the face like that.
In your mind you're saying I'm a child abuser for thinking that??

Based on your prior responses in here I'm pretty sure your answer is no.

I think you're just like me when it comes to someone actually harming children and that's a good thing.
You're right to be bolistic about real abuse & offended to your core by it.
Age is just a number and I think the real age of consent happens between 12-21 depending on the growth, horemoans, and personalities of someone.
I think I'd put myself in harms way without an instant's hesitation if I thought someone was hurting a kid.
I'd also turn in any one I thought may be harming kids in a second.
I'd say thinking things, and acting on them are clearly defining lines for me.

I think you may need counceling to find out what in your own molestation makes you react so negatively toward adults who do this role play.
If someone can imagine brutally raping someone and not be considered a rapist in your mind, but you don't follow that same logic in your opinion on age play maybe you need to consider you have some unresolved issues you should address.
Mind you this is not a flip, smart assed answer, but rather one of a compassionalte stance.
I honestly only offer this advice because I feel you need deeper healing in your own heart about your own abuse as this thread leavesme to believe you have some heavy unresolved issues with what happened to you.
suzanne

Nope. Wrong. I've never been abused.

I appreciate your being nice.

But people still aren't getting the point. I too have fantasies about kicking the crap out of children. But I have never fantasized about sex with children. And niether have most people. Fantasizing about sex with children is a definate sign that a person is ill and needs help.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:21:14 AM

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Pedophelia is a mental illness. You people have your, I don't know, priorities completely screwed up. Fantasies about sex with children can in no way be compared to other, adult and sane fantasies.
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I agree entirely that pedophelia is a mental illness. However, you have to seperate what is being fantasized about in age play from actual pedophellia, just as you have to seperate what is being fantasized about in rape fantasies with actual rape.

Take, for example, rape. In actuality, rape is a crime of violence, not sex. It is a pure assault meant to harm, belittle and destroy the victim. Interviews with convicted rapists have time after time supported this. But that's not what a rape fantasy is. A rape fantasy is a fantasy of a man wanting a woman sexually so much that he will not take no for an ansewer and has her without her consent. In most cases, the fantasy includes her eventually enjoying the act as well as her "attacker"....In short, the fantasy has nothing to do with the reality.

In age play, the subject of fantasy is the non-existant combination of "little girl/seductress", "madonna/whore", brat/lover that is about as real as uicorns, elves and wearwolves. But while it cannot be found in real life, it CAN be played between consenting adults with no harm done to either one of them. Further, the vast majority of age players would no more touch a child than someone who indulges in rape fanasies with their lover would actually commit a rape.

It is very dangerous to start deciding what fantasies, what thoughts are permissable and which are not. When you go down that slippery slope, who knows where you'll end up?

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:22:23 AM

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Look back in the good old days... girls would get married at age 13 and start a family.. Since World War II onward, things have changed a lot. However going back through history for even a thousand years. Yes, when a women became sexual developed.. was when she was ready for marriage and sex.

When any man sees a sexually developed female.. it will get his attention and he will be attracted to her.

This is regardless of what Laws are put down on what puts. This is simply human sexual behavior!

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:23:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: SweetMegan20

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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile
Fact 2 many Vanilla and BDSMers look and have fantasies about Banging young teenage Girls.. This is so natural it's not funny! Because they are young and just developed. WOW....

You're wrong. Don't presume to speak on the behalf of most people.

If any of you made these ridiculous arguments in the front of a live studio audience, each one of you would get heckled.

A: He's not wrong.
B: People do make these infront of audiences. He has a good point about the TV thing.. turn on the Discovery Channel or something, jeeze. Just be sure to avoid the animal mating scenes- sick perverts include them on TV in order to corrupt America's youth.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:23:52 AM

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.......age play disturbs parents.....

I personally happen to know MANY people who are parents who are also ageplayers. I have known some who started ageplaying because they saw how much fun their children had and wanted to feel the same again and so started with their partner. I know some who ageplayed for years before having children and continued after they had them. I know many who have grown children and started after they left........

We just need to get things straight in our own minds WHY we want this... know our intentions are pure and clean. If not we've got some problems to deal with...... if so we're all good!

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:23:53 AM

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I think there is a potential problem linking "age-play" as practised in BDSM with Paedophilia - if he wishes you to play a 13-year old it doesn't necessarily mean that he is a potential molestor of 13-year olds - if he makes you feel uncomfortable or seems weird then that would come across in whatever play he indulged in. Implicit within your question or observation is this - if he (generic) wishes to beat you - is he a potentially violent person? If he likes forced penetration - is he a potential rapist? It kind of reminds me of rumours at school - if the girl liked it on top then she had lesbian tendencies (good grief!) and if He liked anal then he was clearly gay - (double good grief!). For me Daddy-Dom is all about being precious, safe, secure and cherished and having a focus for all those little girl hero worship fantasies - that's my haf-penny's worth.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:24:46 AM

LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales
Take, for example, rape. In actuality, rape is a crime of violence, not sex. It is a pure assault meant to harm, belittle and destroy the victim. Interviews with convicted rapists have time after time supported this. But that's not what a rape fantasy is. A rape fantasy is a fantasy of a man wanting a woman sexually so much that he will not take no for an ansewer and has her without her consent. In most cases, the fantasy includes her eventually enjoying the act as well as her "attacker"....In short, the fantasy has nothing to do with the reality.

That's not at all true for everyone.

For some people they WANT the real assult, meant to harm, belittle, and destroy the victim. I know I have rape fantasies in which I do NOT enjoy the act, at any point, it's the full real experience of rape which is there.

Not to mention all the fantasies about women raping men.

Why do we all need to sanitize fantasies and make it about something we consider ok? They are FANTASIES. Act them out with whatever informed consenting adult you want.

Nothing else really matters.

< Message edited by LuckyAlbatross -- 4/19/2007 8:25:28 AM >

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:26:11 AM

SweetMegan20

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The bottom line in relation to age play is this:

Age play that has nothing to do with sexual fantasies about children? A-OK with me.

Age play because one partner wants to play out sexual fantasies with children? Not okay. Arguable that this person is getting "relief", BUT, it should not be ignored, and this person should definately seek help.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:28:34 AM

WhiplashSmile

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ORIGINAL: Mortisnight

My sub went through a similar experience. She had a former Dom who wanted to her to pretend that she was his five year old daughter. She was also very creeped out by him doing this and broke from him soon after. So I can understand your point.

Now this creeps me out as well. About a 5 year old fantasty.   Yikes!
My point is about 13 years of age, when most female really start to come into sexual development. They get breast.. and things happen that men take notice about.

I think there is a big difference about have fantasies about Teenage Girls and little kids.... I'm drawing a line seperating the two in my head. This is how deal with it in my head.   I will do age play to a certain point and I myself don't go any further with it!! Yike! Certainly not with 5 year olds in Age play.. that creeps me out even!!... But not if she pretends to be 13.. I'm Good with that in my mind!!

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:28:52 AM

Satyr6406

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I know that my misperceptions of the "DaddyDom/babygirl" dynamic (thinking it was all about ageplay) made me ill until someone explained it to me, very well (By showing me Kendra's article). It was that breakdown of ignorance that finally brought me into this lifestyle.

I dislike and have no use for ageplay. I also, have some question about the motivations of the people involved but, in all honesty, that isn't my axe to grind. I am well aware that my experiencing abuse, at a young age, has made me hyper-sensitive to this issue. I recognize that and realize that is where my intense dislike comes from.

Peace and comfort,

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:30:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: SweetMegan20

But people still aren't getting the point. I too have fantasies about kicking the crap out of children. But I have never fantasized about sex with children. And niether have most people. Fantasizing about sex with children is a definate sign that a person is ill and needs help.

Actually you are thinking about it right this second and deciding against it! GOOD THING! The thing is... many people do think of it.... some (pedophiles) decide they like the thought of it. Most people do not. Some pedophiles act upon it, but I am willing to bet that again MOST do not. GOOD THING! Bad that some do... The thing is.... girls are becoming "women" earlier and earlier.... in many cultures around this world as soon as a child starts menstruation they are a woman and by the cultures standards ready and meant to reproduce. Like everyone keeps saying: Watch the History Channel! Look at the book of world records to look at the youngest mother ever! It's scary, yes, but reality, and accepted still in many cultures!

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:33:13 AM

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I agree with Satyr, having been abused myself when I was younger by my own father. It marks you for life and empowers you to never be in that state and keep your own children as safe as possible.

Child Age play for me just isn't an option.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:33:49 AM

SweetMegan20

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Why is everyone assuming that I don't realize that throughout history and in different cultures it has been acceptable for young girls to be sexual partners?

It worries me when people make this argument, because it seems to be a justification.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:33:54 AM

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Well in terms of Age play I can do a scene where she pretends to be student (13-17) and I'm the teacher. Scenes like this I'm comfortable with doing. In terms of younger age play. It's a hard limit in my mind! I can't even begin to comprehend about thinking about babies or kids. Teenage Girls is the low as I go!!

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:36:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: SweetMegan20

Why is everyone assuming that I don't realize that throughout history and in different cultures it has been acceptable for young girls to be sexual partners?

It worries me when people make this argument, because it seems to be a justification.

I was simply throwing this up because you mentioned 13 years old in your opening post! This I can fully understand and relate to! However somebody made a post about a 5 year old.. and yikes no way am I into that.

I suspect I'm not the only one with a age limit in age play either...

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:39:10 AM

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It is just a matter of reality. Maybe it IS justifiable! Who are we to say? Yes, things have changed in this world...... Many of us in North America and the UK tend to view things far differently than other places may. The thing is... we're not doing so well either!

All I am saying is that.... from your views you are claiming much of the world to be mentally ill based upon the culture they were raised in. THAT is wrong to me.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:39:39 AM

SweetMegan20

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I can understand age play, WhiplashSmile. But only to a certain extent.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:39:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: SweetMegan20

Why is everyone assuming that I don't realize that throughout history and in different cultures it has been acceptable for young girls to be sexual partners?

It worries me when people make this argument, because it seems to be a justification.

Well if you're suggesting that thinking about people under "legal age" is inappropriate, showing that it is only very recently that we've decided that looking at people under X age as sexual IS in fact inappropriate and for most people, looking at someone as a sexual being was considered fine and normal for anyone who was expressing physical sexual traits.

Now, if this squicks you out, thats fine. If it squicks Whip out, that's fine.

This isn't about "what squicks someone out." We've all got them and they can be as rational or irrational as we want.

This is about you saying that something is WRONG and BAD for EVERYONE. That's a very different thing.

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:40:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: M1stressM1na

I agree with Satyr, having been abused myself when I was younger by my own father. It marks you for life and empowers you to never be in that state and keep your own children as safe as possible.

Child Age play for me just isn't an option.

agreed...because of past experiences i could NEVER call someone i was sexually attracted to "daddy"..... it wreeks of pseudo-incest and pedophilia.<imho>

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RE: Age play - what do you think? - 4/19/2007 8:40:30 AM

tulipgoose

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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

Well in terms of Age play I can do a scene where she pretends to be student (13-17) and I'm the teacher. Scenes like this I'm comfortable with doing. In terms of younger age play. It's a hard limit in my mind! I can't even begin to comprehend about thinking about babies or kids. Teenage Girls is the low as I go!!

But see you're focusing on the sexual aspects of ageplay...... try and think of the nonsexual lifestyle aspects.....

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