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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/21/2007 7:29:42 PM   
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How many times have you read profiles where the subbie threatens any one who talks to them without first asking request from the DOM  or the dom saying no ONE can talk to MY subbie without permission?
 
How pathetic do you think this is?
How courageous do you think this is?


mmmmmm so I am either pathetic  or courageous mmmmmmmmm

mmmmmmm me thinks it's neither.

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/21/2007 8:46:07 PM   
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Everyones relationship dynamics are different. 
In my relationship with Master He decided that if another Dom or Master wanted to speak to me online they had to ask his permission first. At play parties and such too ,  a Dominant does not approach someone elses property unless they talk to the Master/Owner first. At least that is what i have seen.  When it comes to other subs or slaves i am free to make friends , share experiences ( to a certain degree), and give them help if i possibly can.
Same thing for profiles. When mine was active i got to many hits from Dominants that thought because i was a slave i was their slave. Some were quite graphic in what they thought i should do for them. Master had me deactivate the profile. 
This is not pathetic or courageous. These are rules Master has for me and it works for us in the relationship we have.  That is what counts .



He gave my personal email address to a Domme friend of his.....
I asked yesterday...do you want to see our communication?
"NOPE ! You can have personal communication with anyone you wish ...."  Tis a matter of trust I will NEVER abuse.  He knows that my loyalty lies with him and him only.  Made my respect for him increase considerably as well.

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/21/2007 8:54:28 PM   
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When I wrote my initital question, I had nothing in the back of my mind ... no agenda....
 
I didnt even think about "play parties"  or CM emails......  I was thinking about generally.
 
I do KNOW tho..... IMHO (NOTE THAT) if I have run my own life for nearly 45 years with a "dominant" and did it pretty well... why do I need a dominant of any sort running interference on my communications now??
 
We all say TRUST is such a huge component ......  I think this man trusts me a whole lot more than some collared and owned girls who have doms who have to see every bit of communication ~ no matter who what or where it is................
tis why I asked if it is a courageous thing or a pathetic control issue by a dome/me.
 
Just a question to ruffle a few thoughts...ya know...over turn them and really get to the nitty gritty 
 
I am going to bed...... blessings ya all

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/21/2007 9:08:10 PM   
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He gave my personal email address to a Domme friend of his.....
I asked yesterday...do you want to see our communication?
"NOPE ! You can have personal communication with anyone you wish ...."  Tis a matter of trust I will NEVER abuse.  He knows that my loyalty lies with him and him only.  Made my respect for him increase considerably as well.

 
What you seem to be saying is that if people do things differently than you then they have less trust and respect in their relationship? If that is the case, by what standard do you base this, surely you are not in the minds and hearts of others that you seem to be judging as having less trust/respect in their relationship than you do.

I get many troll emails. I do what I feel like doing about them. I delete some without responding, I respond to others if the mood strikes me, and I share still others with my Daddy if I think it is appropriate. He has never accessed my email, although I have on one occasion read it in front of him on his computer (made him laugh). Since he desires me, it does not surprise him that many others would.

What surprised me is the number of people that used to email me things such as "Does your Daddy lend you out?" "Does your Daddy do 'X,Y, or Z' with you"... these trolling sort of emails that seemed to be directed at Daddy more than at me. If they referenced him, then our protocol is that I am to tell him that so and so emailed me a question for him. He would then have me tell them to email him that question.... it just seemed easier in my opinion to put his name on my profile and direct the traffic to him, and he can answer those questions the way he wants. It is his decision as to what information about our dynamic he wishes to disseminate, and whom he wishes to have it. It is up to him if I get shared or not... so they need to be asking HIM those questions, not me. It takes TRUST in him to know he will not give out information that would harm me, or have me be with someone that would harm me... it takes respect for me not to hurt me... so that shoots your entire respect and trust theory out of the water, doesn't it?

I did not explain my situation because I care what you think about it, or to explain it to be understood by you. I wanted to illustrate that it is wrong headed to judge others by your emotional states and based upon your own worldview. You do not know what is happening behind these profiles. Now you can dismiss my post and continue viewing the world the way you are, or you can learn something new, that is your choice, and not one that is any of my business....

Like Amy (crouchingtigress) says, what you think about me is none of my business

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/21/2007 9:09:15 PM   
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Just a question to ruffle a few thoughts...ya know...over turn them and really get to the nitty gritty  
 


Except I don't think we got any nitty gritty here.  Everyone said they didn't care one way or another what other poeple's rules were.

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/21/2007 10:35:15 PM   
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We all say TRUST is such a huge component ......  I think this man trusts me a whole lot more than some collared and owned girls who have doms who have to see every bit of communication

We don't all say trust is a huge component.  Again we are all kinda different.  And although you think you aren't being judgmental you do make quite a few assumptions.   If you really want to understand how others think you do have to be willing to step out of your own point of view for a moment.  I know folks who have this protocol and for none of them is trust an issue.  It's a level of control which is higher than I desire but I do get it.


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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/22/2007 6:59:18 AM   
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Neither. An intelligent attempt to cut down on creepy emails is what causes someone to write this. Of course, the ones who don't read your profile still write, but probably a fair number see this in big font at the top and turn their attention elsewhere.

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/22/2007 7:22:02 AM   
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my obedience,  It is another form of control.  At least for some of us. That is one of the things that drew me to the lifestyle , that i felt the need to give over control to someone else.  Master does this is this way and more.  I will not come on here and say that our way is the best , it may be for us. But maybe not for others. That does not mean it is any better or worse than anyone elses relationship.
Trust actually has very little to do with this type of control.  imo
 

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/22/2007 11:46:17 AM   
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If i get an e mail from someone i di not know i am not allowed to open it until Master comes over then he opens and either responds ot it or not.  If it was from someone i know Master reads it and usually let me respond but i have to let him see it first.

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/22/2007 11:47:26 AM   
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pathetic, no doubt

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/22/2007 1:22:39 PM   
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I call it silly, because, when it comes down to it, what can they REALLY do to enforce it?  Are they going to track down their home address through the ISP and then show up at their front door, which may be halfway around the world to do....what?  Punch them out?

I still think the subs who receive email they don't want need to put on their big-girl panties and just delete and block.

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/22/2007 2:56:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: myobedience

How many times have you read profiles where the subbie threatens any one who talks to them without first asking request from the DOM  or the dom saying no ONE can talk to MY subbie without permission?
 
How pathetic do you think this is?
How courageous do you think this is?


Threatens?  Haven't seen that, but I suppose I don't do too many searchs.  The most I've seen is, "It'll go to my bulk mail folder and never been read"-sort of thing.

Doesn't strike me as either pathetic or courageous.  Just a matter of fact in their choice to keep their relationship as they will.

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/22/2007 3:49:57 PM   
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i have a really difficult time with this.   my upbringing is that i should answer emails politely.  my position as belonging to Sir also requires that i act in a manner that brings Him honor.

the VERY first thing on my profile is that i am Owned.  as in, if you look even the LEAST at it, even in the small peek you get when the homepage opens and there is a profile shown....you should see that i am Owned.

the place i get annoyed is when the FIRST thing i am asked is "what are you looking for?"  my profile clearly says "friends only".   i dont think an expectation that the person has read a profile before messaging is too much.

kitten, who doesnt really like drama

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/22/2007 7:57:22 PM   
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We all say TRUST is such a huge component ......  I think this man trusts me a whole lot more than some collared and owned girls who have doms who have to see every bit of communication

We don't all say trust is a huge component.  Again we are all kinda different.  And although you think you aren't being judgmental you do make quite a few assumptions.   If you really want to understand how others think you do have to be willing to step out of your own point of view for a moment.  I know folks who have this protocol and for none of them is trust an issue.  It's a level of control which is higher than I desire but I do get it.



Trust is important in any relationship ...... that is all I meant to say. 

It is my opinion that trust is meeted out differently in every relationship....but then again the defintion of trust is possibly very different for many folk.

Judgments are not assumptions and assumptions are not judgments.  My assumptions are my own and I try to reference them as IMHO or someother fashion.
Assumptions are also alot  like generalizations.... we use them and do we really mean  the exclusons or inclusions?  I dont think so.  Its a form of speech we have come to use that when we try hard enough, we try not to use...I am at fault on all these things, but I do try.
I do judge as does everyone....NOT a generalization or assumption. If anyone says they dont, well. blessed are they but its a lie..........   I also dont think anyone intentionally judges, altho I do know some people (in real life) that could make a living at it.  And they'd be wicked RICH !!  
I REALLY do try NOT to judge.

As far as stepping out of my comfort zone, security box and being open to others point of view.... no one really has no idea of what I think about others point of view unless I actually say... "god great idea"  "nice comment" "awesome thought"  or some other sort of thing.  Which I will do, even here on these boards.  If I think something is crap or BS...I do find myself kneejerking a response and taming it some...  I do have a potty mouth and Mod 11 follows me around with soap.

So if someone has a different perspective on why a grown woman's correspondence ... not just on CM, but anywhere, should be monitored........I am all ears.

Simply ... I do understand it is a type of control.... The Gander and the goose like it, the Lord and the subbie like it, the Grand Poobah and his little doll/pet like it, the wise and all powerful master and his fainting slave like it ..... its their thing.  I'm on the LD with that!

I just know, that for Sir to trust me talking to anyone I wish and never ask why, or what for is a wonderful freedom I will not abuse.
He is even sometimes amused at my strong opinions and then my turn around 180 degree total insecurity...  He accepted me completely when I admitted ~~ I am simple yet complicated.

I thought the words pathetic and courageous were extremes....so anyone with a word in the middle....give it up !  LOL 

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/22/2007 7:57:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OnlyHis

Everyones relationship dynamics are different. 
In my relationship with Master He decided that if another Dom or Master wanted to speak to me online they had to ask his permission first. At play parties and such too ,  a Dominant does not approach someone elses property unless they talk to the Master/Owner first. At least that is what i have seen.  When it comes to other subs or slaves i am free to make friends , share experiences ( to a certain degree), and give them help if i possibly can.
Same thing for profiles. When mine was active i got to many hits from Dominants that thought because i was a slave i was their slave. Some were quite graphic in what they thought i should do for them. Master had me deactivate the profile. 
This is not pathetic or courageous. These are rules Master has for me and it works for us in the relationship we have.  That is what counts .



VERY VERY good answer, and i agree fully... i also have had such restrictions, but mine pertained mostly to private messages.
but it is still the fact that if the Master thought there was a good reason, it would be neither pathetic nor couragous; it would be that Master's choice, and His duty to find what works for His slave/sub ...
and shouldn't be criticized for it... or labeled


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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/22/2007 8:44:34 PM   
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So if someone has a different perspective on why a grown woman's correspondence ... not just on CM, but anywhere, should be monitored........I am all ears.

Simply ... I do understand it is a type of control.... The Gander and the goose like it, the Lord and the subbie like it, the Grand Poobah and his little doll/pet like it, the wise and all powerful master and his fainting slave like it ..... its their thing.  I'm on the LD with that!

You say you get that it is a kink and you don't want to be judgmental but the words you are using show little understanding and a whole lot of judgment and derision.   And don't really invite those who may do this to share much with you.

Well IMO control is a kink.  We agree on that. 

So it isn't necessarily about correspondence "should" be monitored.  For me a different question would be "tell me why it makes your cunt wet to have him monitor your email"?   Again, not because it "has" to be done but because for whatever reasons they get off on that level of control.   Not because that level of control is required but because it floats their boat.   So in some way for me it can be akin to asking why I "should" be hurt.  Or why it makes me wet to hurt someone in turn.  Cause I do.  Cause I want it.  'Nough said for me. 

None of my kinks are about what I should do or what should be done.  They are about what I get off on, what I perv on, what I enjoy. what I desire, what I want, what I choose.  Cause I'm a grown woman and can choose whatever I want.

I have a kink for transparency.  Knowing he could read my email would feed that kink.

We are both too busy to even begin to think he might read my emails.  Or anything else requiring that kind of attention.  But if we could find the time he'd perv on it.  Like perving on having cameras in my room so he can always see what I'm doing, haven't figure that out but we find it hawt.  Not because he doesn't trust me.  But because he wants me that exposed to him,.  And that makes my cunt drip.  Period.


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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/22/2007 9:49:37 PM   
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Not because he doesn't trust me.  But because he wants me that exposed to him,.  And that makes my cunt drip.  Period.



Loved this, truly.  It explains a lot about my Master and I.  Total exposure, total vulnerability, totally splaying myself open to him, physically, mentally, emotionally, in all ways.  There's a camera on me right now as I'm writing this.  When I go into the living room there will still be one on me. It's not about trust.  It's about control, exposure, and feeling him.

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/22/2007 9:58:51 PM   
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where the hell did I ever say control is a kink....??????

and NO I do not agree control is a kink.........

furthermore go ahead and say this shit........""you don't want to be judgmental but the words you are using show little understanding and a whole lot of judgment and derision.   And don't really invite those who may do this to share much with you.""

just say it cause you can...........  ppppffftttt !!


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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/22/2007 11:02:19 PM   
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How many times have you read profiles where the subbie threatens any one who talks to them without first asking request from the DOM  or the dom saying no ONE can talk to MY subbie without permission?
 
Yup I have read them, not only on CM, but on alt and bondage as well as on other sites.
I wondered, way back, why it was written like that.
I remember several profiles several years ago on CM, that made me laugh.  They went something like this...and they were usually written by 18- 25 year olds.... if you dare to contact me, i will have my dom find your ISP and fuck up your computer.
I have also read some really wonderful profiles in which the dynamic between the D or M and s was clearly set forth...  for example  ~~   Master has requested that all correspondence goes through Him, it is the authority exchange we have between us, and i simply obey.
I have also read dom profiles written like they are the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines all rolled into one.  If you dare talk to My girl without My permission, she will block you and you will hear from Me!
I think that subs/slaves who say they are owned or taken or collered, etc and find themelves being trolled just because they are taken is such a disrespectful thing.... because it shows no respect to the owner, or dominant.

 
How pathetic do you think this is?
 
To answer my own question, it can be pathetic because they seem like empty threats and I wonder why on earth empty threats are even posted on a profile.
For a caring Dom to protect his girl from some bimbo who is trolling his girl is such a sweet thing...I am sure some doms do care and some doms dont.
If I get harassed by one specific male (I remember one from CM, a male sissy sub), I might be instructed to block or ignore or just send a polite letter back... "please leave me alone."
Presently, there is a harley biker, who *winks at my profile day in and day out.  LOL... so Sir opens up the profile and deletes the winks, before I even see thema nd then we laugh about his eye "flutters."
This is kind a cool.  But he does not respond to mail that I can respond to, on messenger, in my private box or on alt/bondage.  He reds them once a week and we might have a laugh over it, but I really like that he allows me the freedom to respond in my way.
I enjoy the trust he has in me.

How courageous do you think this is?
I think it can be very courageous ! Esp when a girl gets the messages "kneel bitch"  or "suck my dick whore"... they can bevery perturbing and a man knows how to handle it.
 
I also think it truly comes down to the kind of control a Dom has over a sub.  Because each relationship is different, each way control is expressed is different. Some doms are VERY strict and controlling.  I remember being micromanaged for 6 months...that was really tough on me; but taht was his way, since he was newer than myself.  He found out he just didnt want to micromanage nor did he want strict protocol cause it really wasnt in his nature. We leanr as we go along.  What was once maybe necessary might not be later.
 
Since control and authority and the power to exercise these differs in each Dom/me, finding the sub to fit that style is ultimately really the most important objective in any relationship.
 
If a couple thinks the intent of another Dom is to steal the girl away, they will figure out a system that works, but I also think that the security of being  protected is important to any girl.
 
Some are pathetic yes, some are courageous yes...but there is always the middle ground and something in between as well to consider.
 
Not to long ago I read a profile of a woman who had only been owned by a strict Dom who made entirely all the decisions in her life and when he died, she was utterly lost to the outside world.  I felt sad for her.  She admitted she couldnt even go grocery shopping.  Something I take for granted.   In this instance, my opinion is, pathetic.  She did have a courageous attitude tho.  I wanted to write her and tell her so, but I let the opportunity slip by.

Ya know,I took the time to answer my own thread becasue I meant no harm in my question.    If your cunt drips becasue you love to be micromanged, it floats your boat.
If some of you like the freedom to make your own decisions becasue you can and your Dom is happy with you for doing it, thus your cunt drips, its cool, drip away.

I meant NO disrespect for the way anyone conducts their affairs.
I meant NO judgement for the way anyone conducts their affairs.

Your affairs are yours...I just wanted to know if others just happened to see some of the dicotamies I was seeing.


Stay blessed and happy with you and yours....in however you practice WIITYD

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RE: pathetic or courageous ?? - 4/23/2007 7:51:09 AM   
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just say it cause you can...........  ppppffftttt !!


yup.  I will say it how I see it.  Period.


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