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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 3:06:03 PM

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Holeysmokes, that was exactly what I was thinking. And did you know that many books of the bible were removed because they didn't jell with the current thoughts on society? The slave stuff stayed in because owners needed validation for having slaves. Religion is a construct of man. I believe in a creator, but I think what people do in the name of worship is strictly of their own making.
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
I love how christians try and find justification for what they do when it's something that really matters to them.

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 3:21:29 PM

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*in her Black Southern Baptist voice*

welllllll, what we have here ...i said, what we have here is a sinner - YES, a sinner tryin' to sway you that you can serve two Masters, God on the right hand ...and the Devil on the left. we here at the Sanctified Holiness Mount Baptist Church Of God In Christ Evangelical Christian Penecostal Temple don't believe in such practices - that you ...YES you, sinner deem to be holy ...i said those scriptures oh so nicely put are barely the tip of the iceberg of what God ...i said of what God is tryin' to teach and reach your poor souls ...can i get a "AMEN"? ...those scriptures (wipes brow) are from the old laws in which we as Christians don't follow today - those laws ...i said those laws were for the Isrealites before Jesus came down from Heaven to give us the news laws we as Christians should follow ...we don't condone your sinning practices of BDSM and open sex because of its sinful overtones and it's NOT in accordance to what the Bible teaches us ...something not a good Christian would do - it's sin against God ...you must walk the path of righteousness for His namesake ...ask our Heavenly Lord Jesus to forgive you of your sins today....

i could go on but the Spirit has left this body ...so sorry ...it was the work of the Lord

can i get a "Amen"?

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 3:25:57 PM

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Been awhile awhile since I went to a wedding, but isn't there something in the grooms vows "to cherish and protect" and the brides " Honor and obey"?

For me it's been a while too but pending on who preforms the service for the most part unless
(It'S spacifickly ask for in the ceramony ) That part of the vow has been omitted for qute ssome time. & yes I have a studering key bors

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 3:44:36 PM

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As usual, this is thread that started with a nice premise (whether the facts were correct or not) and some people have chosen to make it about putting down people's beliefs.

Each person's understanding of a Higher Power is fluid. We find God in our hearts and if something doesn't offend our conscience, chances are, we're on firm, spiritual ground.

To view that as people justifying their actions is to ridicule their beliefs.

Of all the places on the internet, this would be one of the places where people might expect to find a population largely made up of open-minded people. Unfortunately, that's not the case.

Christians are no more deserving fodder for ridicule than are any other "ethnic" group. Yet, for some reason, especially in this type of community, they seem to be open targets to anyone with an anti-God axe to grind.

I refuse to believe that you can engage in a D/s (The jury's out for me, on BDSM) relationship that isn't pleasing to the Higher Power which I choose to serve.

A gentleman who seems to have been struggling with an issue comes in here to try and share some things that helped him. He did ask for feedback on those thoughts but, where did anyone ask for Christians to be ridiculed and villified?

For a lifestyle that knows (to an extent) what persecution is about, I'm a bit disappointed by some of the responses. I am hurt by the hurtful attacks designed for nothing else but to ridicule and make the commentors feel better then those "horrible" Christians.

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 3:50:47 PM

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Thankyou very much for sharing your view point i whole heartedly agree with you Satyr

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 4:01:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I love how christians try and find justification for what they do when it's something that really matters to them. They don't care about the having sex before marriage because most people keep quiet about that these days. But the kink? Well we've got to find a way to make that OK.

I don't believe this is an example of finding justification. The Bible does allow and advocate sexual slavery. People who are religious try to follow the laws of their religion. There is nothing wrong with that. For BDSM Christians who are not familiar with this part of the Bible (frequently hidden by our priests and pastors) this can be troublesome.

As a Christian, sometimes I have a problem with the fact that I am having sex before marriage. It is something I have to reconcile with my faith, and I take comfort in the fact that if that is enough to send me to Hell, despite the good works that I have done, my charity work and my sharing of the faith with those who are interested, not to mention my genuine belief in Jesus Christ, then there really wasn't much else I could have done.

This would be like a bacon-loving Jewish person finding a little read part of the Torah that allows them to eat pigs. It's not justifying anything. It's saying loudly and clearly that "Hey, this is allowed by the laws of your religion!" It's just nice to know.

I am not going to try to not "put down your beliefs" in my post, but rather just question what you are saying here.

How much you want to bet I can go threw the Bible and find very clear scripture that opposes the notion of slavery?

What about the anti homosexuality parts, a subject you take up the sword for a lot on the forums?

It does say that in very literal terms.

It also justifies killing, mass genocide, hatred, harsh judgements on other people, racism...the list goes on and on.

I havent really found a whole lot of clarity regarding what is and isnt allowed by the dogma presented by the book since it contradicts itself constantly.

History marks dozens and dozens of different sects with very different values, many who have used the words printed in the book to do horrible atrocities.

The book is purely subject to interruptation and has had very little effect on people's moral codes. People decide what they want to do and then they search the Bible to find permission to do it...permission they are eventually going to find threw their own interruptation. (Or they just make a new sect...much like this one church in England popped up so a King could divorce his wifes...)

Much like your issue with sex and marriage. You have decided that sex and marriage is ok and have provided a logical justification to do it despite the fact that the Bible says its wrong.

I am an independant spiritualist (I made that up btw because I can do that in my religion) and your a Christian.

What makes us similar is we have our own unique values.

What makes us different is that I am not going to the Bible to find permission to do what I beleive is correct, then providing a justification for going against the Bible when I cant find the permission I need to do what I want.

If the Bible is wrong about sex before marriage (something you have admittd to beleiving in this post since you have committed the act and dont beleive you are going to Hell for doing it), then perhaps it can be wrong about your submission to your dominant?

Perhaps its wrong about a lot of other things.

Also..how does "reconciling with your faith" have any real value when you are conciously doing something you have admitted to knowing is against that faith?

What if I were to say "I am going to shoot this guy who is tied up by my computer right now in the head and then reconcile with my faith later on since its against my beliefs."?

I have admitted to knowing that what I am doing is wrong according to my faith since I have admitted I will need to reconcile for it? If my faith really had a lot of value, I wont kill the man as opposed to doing what I wanted, then making up for it later.

Why even have a religion then if your going to pick and choose and decide whats right or wrong on your own?

Are you any different then me who is simply deciding what is right or wrong without turning to the Bible?

Maybe people would be a lot better off if they turned to the books like the Bible for ideas, inspiration, and values to contribute to their own beliefs that they decide on their own.

I'm sure a whole lot of people would feal better about the things they are doing that the Bible is making them feal guilty about.

But what do I know? I am not a Christian. Just a spiritual cook with a GED and a library card.

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 4:16:20 PM

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Yeah, because sending Hagar out into the desert was really taking care of her. I guess God kind of saved Mary off the fly, but it was common for girls in her position to be stoned to death. I <3 Jesus.

way beyond the pale, if you read that story, sara bitched to Abram that Hagars son was a wild ass of a man, and that hagar was trying to take first chain because she could deliver spawn which sarah couldnt..........all over these boards-----------no magic or divine intervention-------Abram was sick of the bullshit and the drama and sent the little caravan packing, didnt pray about it or consider, just fed the fuck up is all--

you may say additionally 'in her position' but it was not the position of an unwed mother (and Mary has nothing to do with this thought) but a rather enterprenurial whore) that must by dint of the entire passage taken in whole, been very good at her little schtick and caused unrest among society.....the women got together and decided that the men must make amends------------

reconsider the many lsd trips from high school and investigate whether there is any relation to Albert Camus or 'The Scapegoat'---that sort of ilk-- and how it may be a shadow of the savior-------------

Now while I am not a bible scholar, or a rhetorical scientist, you are mixing metaphors and stories in such a way that it is not BARBARA.

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 4:42:18 PM

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It must be right beside those verses that talk about stoning unwed mothers and burn homosexuals alive?

*sigh* No verses exists about stoning unwed mothers. Quite the opposite in fact: If a man slept with a gal (whether or not he got her pregnant) a number of things happened under Exodus 22:16-18 and Deuteronomy 22:28-29.

In all cases, the man paid a huge fine in the form of a “bride price” of 50 shekels of silver – a substantial fine roughly equivalent to 5 to 7 or more years of wages. What if the guy can’t pay? Ha! He has to sell himself, usually to the one to whom he’s indebted; her Dad.

Then, one of two things happened:

If the father was willing to allow her to marry him, the man had to marry her and could not divorce her – ever – for any reason (no Vegas-style divorces to get out of his obligations). She could, however, divorce him… and her family kept the bride price.
If the father was not willing to allow her to marry him (maybe the dude was creep, maybe the girl didn’t want him afterall, or whatever), the interloper still had to pay the bride price even though he couldn’t marry her. Remember, if the man didn’t have the bride price up front, it was often a case of indebted servitude. Since he’d be paying for some time, it would mean many years of singleness until he could both pay the fine and save up for another love of his life... all the while his ex gets to go off an marry someone else.

As for burning alive... that form of execution is never commanded or allowed anywhere in any book of the Bible.

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 4:48:58 PM

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As for burning alive... that form of execution is never commanded or allowed anywhere in any book of the Bible.

Then its only one notch down since people constantly point out the text that states that homosexuality is wrong and they should be persecuted...it just doesnt say what the punishment should be...leaving hate groups to make up their own.

Just because it doesnt say to burn them alive is semantics in light of the fact that it does condemn it.

I also remember there being a passage in the Old Testament that said disobedient children should be stoned. (Though I cant give specifics and therefore might be wrong about it)

I wonder how many modern Christians would view that as a good form of parenting.

My point isnt to knock Christian values, but rather that people should decide on their own what values are right and wrong...since we all basically do that anyways.

I can take a hardline all day long with people regarding how they already pick and choose, to a degree, what they follow and what they dont follow from the Bible

Some might wonder what this has to do with the OP...

If you beleive you can serve God and serve your Master...then you already know the answer.

Just like the majority doesnt cruelly stone children for disobedience and restrict themselves to sex after marriage simply because the Bible says so.

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 5:06:04 PM

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i was being sarcastic since i was born into the Catholic religion ...raised Baptist/Christian all my life ...broke away for my own personal reasons - so it does give me the sanctified right to ridicule what was forced - yes i said forced down my throat for over 25yrs! i didn't learn sex ed from my God-fearing parents, that was left up the the church we belonged to in which they used Bible scriptures to say that sex before marriage - a sin ...drinking and listening to rock, etc music (excluding classical and traditional Christian) - a sin ...having a baby out of wedlock - a sin and you would have to confess it in front of the church ...do get my drift now? those passages OP was quoting were for the Isrealites under the old laws passed down by God from Mt Sinai ...the ones from the new testament - were given to Christians who have accepted Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior thus making the old laws null and void to us. and when i say "us" those have been baptized and claim Jesus as their savior. so scoff at my pun of a typical Southern Black preacher - i was within my rights to post my pov from their pov according to the Bible.

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 5:12:05 PM

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I love how christians try and find justification for what they do when it's something that really matters to them.

Don't most people try to find justification for what they do when it's something that really matters to them?

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 5:15:53 PM

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insofar as passages burning homosexuals alive (i assume sodom and gamorrah) there was not such reason -- it was e pluribus unum there

Interesting point......very few people ever take note of this verse from Ezekiel which clearly states that Sodom was destroyed for reasons in addition to sodomy: "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy" - Ezekiel 16:49 (Why's it always gotta be all about the homo's?) ......... luci

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 5:19:28 PM

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*sigh* No verses exists about stoning unwed mothers. Quite the opposite in fact: If a man slept with a gal (whether or not he got her pregnant) a number of things happened under Exodus 22:16-18 and Deuteronomy 22:28-29.

In all cases, the man paid a huge fine in the form of a “bride price” of 50 shekels of silver – a substantial fine roughly equivalent to 5 to 7 or more years of wages. What if the guy can’t pay? Ha! He has to sell himself, usually to the one to whom he’s indebted; her Dad.

Then, one of two things happened:

1. If the father was willing to allow her to marry him, the man had to marry her and could not divorce her – ever – for any reason (no Vegas-style divorces to get out of his obligations). She could, however, divorce him… and her family kept the bride price.

2. If the father was not willing to allow her to marry him (maybe the dude was creep, maybe the girl didn’t want him afterall, or whatever), the interloper still had to pay the bride price even though he couldn’t marry her. Remember, if the man didn’t have the bride price up front, it was often a case of indebted servitude. Since he’d be paying for some time, it would mean many years of singleness until he could both pay the fine and save up for another love of his life... all the while his ex gets to go off an marry someone else.

As for burning alive... that form of execution is never commanded or allowed anywhere in any book of the Bible.

I was being sarcastic with the whole burning of the homosexuals things. All I can say is I got the information about unwed mother's from the many bible classes I had to endure in high school. It might be untrue.

I also had to take an entire class on Leviticus. Here's a verse that might interest you:

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)

There is also a verse somewhere in Deuteronomy 22 that mentions stoning a rape victim because she didn't scream loud enough.

I'm sorrto seem difficult. It's not that I don't believe in the Bible. But I would venture that the majority of people have never read the entire Bible and therefore cannot really make sweeping claims like 'The bible never says this...'

Edited to add: I'm am sorry to the OP for completely hijacking this thread. I understand the need for a person's beliefs to match their actions. However you come to that is a very personal journey that I have no right to judge. But at the same time, when you are posting information on a forum I feel like the readers do have a reasonable right to ask where your information comes from.

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 5:22:37 PM

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yea, and you shall lick and suck your gods private parts, and worship therefore as proof of your devotion,and never falter and you shall swallow and not spit, for that is anathema to you and your kind and you shall be asked and told of your worship, and you shall never stray-------each one to their own kind and you shall do this act until the end of time and you shall make your life to surround this very thing------
For verily, I say unto you, a world class cocksucker shall be saved from the fire by a thinking man.................

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 5:34:52 PM

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I love how christians try and find justification for what they do when it's something that really matters to them. They don't care about the having sex before marriage because most people keep quiet about that these days. But the kink? Well we've got to find a way to make that OK.

Christians come in two forms form one christians who are religious and everything is wrong and you must serve God this waya, and form 2 spritural christians who know we are imperfect and do not judge others or make excuses we accept life as it is . Just as all Doms, subs should not be lumped togeterh neither should christians we are not all the same. My Dom knows that God comes first in my life as he does in his. It is not complicated and the two can and do co exist quite well. Its all about balance. And finding someone who shares your beliefs

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 5:47:39 PM

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If the Christian God is supposed to be all-powerful, all-knowing, The Trinity, then if we were not supposed to think or act upon these things then it would not have been in our minds to ponder.

The Christian God is all those things, but add to merciful and patient among other qualities. To assert the "if I feel/desire something it must be OK or God wouldn't have allow/given me these desires" is not only a cop-out, but is to set aside a number of dynamics -- most importantly that not every desire is good to act upon. I'll put it in secular context: Perhaps you've seen the coffee mug or bumper sticker that says something like, "Stress: The condition created when the mind overrides the body's natural desire to choke some asshole who desperately deserves it." Whether people know it or not, that's an astounding theological assertion from the Christian standpoint. The "stress" Paul calls the "battle" inside (the internal struggle to do the right thing). The "mind overriding" is understood, in the Christian context, as self-control under the acknowledgement that not just any and every desire, response, attitude, tone, etc. is acceptable. The "body's natural desire" is a good (if theologically anemic) reference of our human nature. The idea is that when our body's seemingly natural desires pull us in one direction, our minds (if we think before we act) often comes into conflict, even more so when we attempt to wrestle control of ourselves from ourselves. Sure. the mind can go to great lengths to rationalize any and all behavior (from stealing to molestation, etc.) and Christians are not immune to this, as you've noted. But the fact that on some level we may feel a certain desire do "think or act upon" something doesn't necessarily justify that action as wise, right, or (in Christian context) not sinful. The fact that we have a particular desire doesn't mean that it comes from or is endorsed by God, when in fact we more often simply get away with it -- for a while. Sure, God could use His all-knowingness to see all my thoughts and desires, and sure He could use all-powerfulness to stop me from feeling/desiring them (and He has on some things), but if He were to use that power to stop me altogether, He'd have to strike me down ASAP. So that's why I say don't forget mercy and grace.

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 5:52:49 PM

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That's for the reply. Sarcasm doesn't always come through well. Thought it would be intersting to pursue this, I, too, have concerns about not wanting to see the thread hijacked. But do free to email me off-forum if you'd like.

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 5:53:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I love how christians try and find justification for what they do when it's something that really matters to them. They don't care about the having sex before marriage because most people keep quiet about that these days. But the kink? Well we've got to find a way to make that OK.

I don't believe this is an example of finding justification. The Bible does allow and advocate sexual slavery.

You sure it's sexual slavery or slavery in general.

They aren't the same thing, not even in the ancient world or societies where slavery is still legally or socially acceptable.

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 5:54:44 PM

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Greetings All,

     i don't now how to use the quote thing, so i apologize if it makes things a little messy and confusing. This very topic was something that was on my mind today and finding it here was an answer to a prayer. So i thank the original poster of the question. i have to agree with what Michael has said and i am also quite surprised to find that in what is supposed to be such an open minded place there is alot of judgement.

"As usual, this is thread that started with a nice premise (whether the facts were correct or not) and some people have chosen to make it about putting down people's beliefs.

Each person's understanding of a Higher Power is fluid. We find God in our hearts and if something doesn't offend our conscience, chances are, we're on firm, spiritual ground.

To view that as people justifying their actions is to ridicule their beliefs.

Of all the places on the internet, this would be one of the places where people might expect to find a population largely made up of open-minded people. Unfortunately, that's not the case.

Christians are no more deserving fodder for ridicule than are any other "ethnic" group. Yet, for some reason, especially in this type of community, they seem to be open targets to anyone with an anti-God axe to grind.

I refuse to believe that you can engage in a D/s (The jury's out for me, on BDSM) relationship that isn't pleasing to the Higher Power which I choose to serve.

A gentleman who seems to have been struggling with an issue comes in here to try and share some things that helped him. He did ask for feedback on those thoughts but, where did anyone ask for Christians to be ridiculed and villified?

For a lifestyle that knows (to an extent) what persecution is about, I'm a bit disappointed by some of the responses. I am hurt by the hurtful attacks designed for nothing else but to ridicule and make the commentors feel better then those "horrible" Christians.
  Peace and comfort, "
  Michael "

    i can understand some of the hatred and frustration towards Christian CHURCHES, but not towards Christians themselves. i was raised Southern Baptist and it can be quite a stifling religion. Though i've never seen anyone have to repent for their sins before the whole church. When i became an adult i quit going to church, but that doesn't mean i quit being a Christian. i commited alot of sins, but we all do everyday. Gluttony,murder, fornication, audultery, and the list goes on. No one sin is better or worse than the other, they are ALL sins in God's eyes. It's taken me alot of time, soul searching, and Bible reading on my own to find answers to many questions. i feel that it's ok to do just about anything (sexually speaking) as long as it's between a husband and wife. Toys, movies, BDSM......there is nothing in the Bible that says what KIND of sex a husband and wife should have, just that it was meant for a husband and wife. i'm sure i'm stepping on toes here, and i've been guilty of it myself, but that's what i believe.

    As for burning in hell if you are into BDSM......if you are a born again Christian nothing you do or don't do is going to change that save for one, and as i understand it that one thing is denying Christ. Works, being good, helping others, and such is not going to get you eternal life. So, if you aren't a Christian and think that those things are going to get you a golden ticket, i hate to be the bearer of bad news. If you are a Christian and you are committing sins, you are saved by grace and grace alone, not how many homeless people you give soup to.

    As for serving a Master and serving God.....my take on it is this. Can you serve two Masters? If you are a sub can you serve two Masters? my answer would be yest. IF those two Masters don't create a conflict of interest with eachother and you. If everyone is on the same page, Master, Master, and sub, then i don't see why it can't work. So, if your Master serves God, i don't see why it would cause a conflict to serve your Master. As many have pointed out the D/s lifestyle is very Biblical. Recalling my own wedding i wanted to take out the words submit and obey from our vows. This was before i knew what i was (or had a name for it) and i struggled with being what i felt and being the 90's woman that i was told i should be. My Southern Baptist pastor strongly advised against removing those words and counsled me on how and why a wife is suppose to submit and obey her husband. So, there you go......a good ole Soutern Baptist Bible thumpin sanction for D/s.

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RE: Can you serve God and your Master? - 4/21/2007 5:56:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aslanemperor

Do you find it funny that the people arguing against this aren't Christians?

You are incorrect.

I am Christian.

I also happen to be an ancient historian so I know a fair amount about the times in which the Bible was written and how it was written.

I don't need to confuse my faith with my history.

I don't need to justify my personal life with historical 'factiods.'

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