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MasterNdorei -> RE: Masterhood (5/6/2007 12:28:12 AM)
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i am only 2 pages into this discussion, but i have read enough. Here are my thoughts. LA writes: And frankly, if a slaves mother taught her how to make fabulous apple pie growing up, and the master loves the apple pie, I really don't see how it can be said it's all his responsibility for his slave being able to cook an awesome apple pie. He might be responsible for the actual MAKING of THAT pie, but that's it.
*** This part of the dynamic in a slave's relationship is more along the lines of household staff, or animals that have received specific training which makes them more valuable to their owner. MagiksSlave writes: If he tells her to rob a bank and she does the police arent gunna arrest the Master they are gunna arrest the slave!!!
*** In order to have the kind of dynamic where the slave is able to let go, the slave must be able to trust Him. A trapeeze artist would be crazy to turn loose of her trapeeze believing she would be caught if she did not know the training, character, and commitment of the one catching her. What you view as making such a dynamic impossible for you, others may view as an important point of reference in chosing who they serve, Aquaticsub writes: I've seen enough to know that often the only difference between a slave and a submissive is what the owner chooses to call her.
*** Some people chose to use the terms "sub" and "slave" as a blanket term, much in the way one would use the term Catholic to describe one inside a Catholic church. Others use the terms too indicate a more specific being in the church, such as a paritioner or a nun. Aquaticsub writes: Slavery is illegal. That means that no one really owns anything and your "slave" can pick up the phone and call 911 on your ass if you beat her too hard. If you cheat and piss her off, she can also share what you two did together, possibly costing your job, child custody, friends and family.
That's the reality of what we do. If you want to really own someone and not have to deal with that, then you should consider moving. *** i would agree with you if the sentence started with "BDSM activites are illegal." In the light of what you just described it is not just a slave that can do damage. Do you think a sub is less likely to retaliate than a slave? Kalbar wrote:Well time away from such a strict regime is something that I consider to be invaluable.LA responded: I don't consider it a strict regime. Most long term Ms relationships I know act and appear just like any vanilla relationship 90% of the time.*** i am not debating the number of couples for which their dynamic is the hat they wear when they want to, i just wouldn't consider them M/s. To me it is as ridiculous as the people who claim to be good parents but never interact with their children. You don't consider slavery a strict regime because the people who are examples for you are not living it, they visit it. Just know there is more to it, regardless of what your examples call themselves. LA writes: I guess I'm weird- I don't see why slavery can't be fun and should be the epitome of letting ones hair down and being true to yourself. *** There are people who seek a dynamic that is not based on fun. It doesn't make you wierd to want to have fun. It doesn't make them wierd to have other goals. LA writes: Life brings its own need for formality at times and that's unavoidable in most cases, but I dislike people trapping themselves into a life they want and choose only to create so many rules and boxes that it loses all the fun and enjoyment.
*** i am sure they are just as quick to dislike you imposing your need for fun on them. Regarding the quote: He and he alone is solely responsible for the actions of his slave, provided his slave is acting within his guidelines and under his orders. MadRabbit writes: If you take responsibility for something or someone, you take responsibility when it goes wrong, not just when it goes right.
*** This is why it is of equal importance that the Master know the character and quality of the one He is taking responsibility for. Just as one who takes on the raising of a child, or adopts a dog from the pound, you are taking on some liabilty with a slave and there are no guarentees. MadRabbit writes: Absolute responsibility and credit arent connected to my absolute authority...they are two different elements of a relationship.
*** That is what works for you. What works for some is that responsibility and credit are connected to the Master's absolute authority. MadRabbit writes: I would be kind of a big asshole if all my dinner guests said "This food is amazing! We appreciate all the long hours in the kitchen to make this!" and I went "Aww...well...gee...I'm just badass." when I spent absolutely zero time in the kitchen.
*** There are other responses a Master could say that in no way indicated He spent any time in the kitchen and still take credit for the success. i personally prefer that all praise for meals i prepare be directed to the One who owns me. In the event someone compliments me directly i always defer it to Him. Even in a vanilla setting i prefer to say something along the line of "You are most kind. It is easy to want to cook in a kitchen as beautiful as the one this wonderful man has provided me." Or to deflect the compliment back on the giver, such as "You are so kind to say this. i feel really fortunate to be with people who have such an adventersome palate. It makes cooking fun. i am glad you enjoyed the meal." IrishMist writes: All I can say is that LA and MadRabbit covered everything perfectly. *** They said it perfectly for them, and for you. They certainly did not cover it perfectly for everyone. LA writes: I get the romanticism of the slave laying down their burdens, no longer thinking or worrying or making decisions, needing only to focus on the masters desires and follow his rules, never being responsible and only moving as an extension of his arm and sword around him.
*** Of the ones i consider slaves i do not know any who believe they will no longer have burdens, or think they will never have to think or worry again by becomming enslaved. Any change in dynamic brings challenges. i didn't see that this was implied in this thread. Those who live their dynamic may be the minority, but do exist. It is my hope that some of the rumors and ridiculous ideas about this level of commitment will one day be quieted, so that those living it can be respected by the BDSM community as much as those who chose other levels of commitment. Master's dorei
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