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CuriousLord -> RE: Masterhood (5/5/2007 12:16:27 PM)
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
I am with L.A. on this. While the definition you have presented is a very romantic view of the relationship, it doesnt bear much resemblence to reality.
It may be romantic, but it's quite possible. I'm not sure why it would be said it isn't.
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord
.A Master is one who owns (a) slave(s).
I agree with this part.
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He and he alone is solely responsible for the actions of his slave, provided his slave is acting within his guidelines and under his orders.
Wont it be convient if I was a parent and only had responsibility for the actions of my minor when my minor did something good?
My child paints a perfect replica of the Sistine Chapel and I get to swoop in say "He did this because he's my son! I'm awesome."
My child blows up the neighor's house and they come to me with the bill. "Well...I told him not to do that so I am not responsible for buying you a new house."
Wont it be convient if I didnt have responsibility for when my dog pissed all over the neighbor's carpet and didnt have to pay for a new carpet because my dog disobeyed me?
Wont it be convient if I was given the responsibilty of overseeing food production as a chef and was absolved of that responsibilty when my cooks fucked up the food? Do you think my boss wont hold me accountable simply because my employees screwed up, but would turn around and give me a bonus when my cooks put out exceptional food? Sure, I would chew my cook's asses out for screwing up the individual responsibility I had given them, but it would change the fact that ultimately, as the chef, I am responsible for their bad behavior.
If you take responsibility for something or someone, you take responsibility when it goes wrong, not just when it goes right.
I believe you're misunderstanding when the Master takes responsibility.
I'm saying, the Master just about always takes responsbility as the slave is living under his rule. He isn't responsible when the slave deviates from her rule- i.e., he tells her specifically not to do something, but she does it anyhow. The reason I would argue that this wasn't his responsibility is that she isn't performing as a slave, and she thus gains responsibility as an indepedent individual.
Ideally, this doesn't happen. She is his responsbility until she willing breaks it. Unlike a minor, her relationship to her Master is willing and consentual, not one he can force her to maintain, as a parent can to a child. A child is a parent's offspring and responsibility regardless of ends. The slave is the Master's only so long as she follows his rule. Hence the apparent deviation in standards.
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Not only is this a form of "Have your cake and eat it too", but a blatant contradiction. Because by saying your not responsible when the slave makes a mistake, your essentially putting all the responsibility for the success or failure of the relationship on the slave.
Oh, no. If a Master tells his slave, "Go make a cake", and she ends up accidently setting the kitchen on fire, it's entire the Master's fault, provided she didn't willing do so (as willingly blowing up the kitchen is probably in contradiction to the Master's orders).
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
By dissolving your responsibility for the failures, your dissolving yourself of really any responsibility at all.
The Master is not dissolved or responsibility. He carries all of it, as a matter of fact, until she dissolves the relationship in an act of disobidince, in which case he no longer bears responsibility in no longer being a Master of the slave.
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
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Anything a slave does is both to the responsibility and credit of the Master.
Unless the slave does something wrong...so this is a contradiction to the statement made above.
Unless the slave breaks his rules. Mistakes, failures, and overexpectations fall on the Master.
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Personally, what defines a TPE relationship to me, as a dominant, is that I have absolute authority in the relationship...nothing else.
Absolute responsibility and credit arent connected to my absolute authority...they are two different elements of a relationship.
Agreed. This is a difference in our preferences.
Note I say in our preferences, not in our views. I can see perfectly well how your dynamic would work and find it viable. It's just not my choice, in the same way a vanilla relationship is not the choice of either of us (not implying either is vanilla, just it's common ground that neither is).
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Any relationship requires effort and work on both ends and cant solely be placed on the shoulders of one person and not the other.
Agreed.
This is why I chose relationships without so much effort. My slave is happy to serve me. She obeys, happily, and well. There's no power struggle, no fight, no effort to maintain the relationship. It feels so natural. This is probably one of the reasons I'm so strongly in favor of it.
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
With my absolute authority comes a degree of responsibility and with my slave's obedience comes responsibility as well.
I am responsible for deciding what she is going to cook for dinner. She is responsible for cooking it.
I get credit for making good food selections and she gets credit for cooking it well.
Yup, I've had relationships like that before. It works nicely.
Just.. I'd ask you to remember that this isn't to the exclusion of other viable systems.
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
I would be kind of a big asshole if all my dinner guests said "This food is amazing! We appreciate all the long hours in the kitchen to make this!" and I went "Aww...well...gee...I'm just badass." when I spent absolutely zero time in the kitchen.
Hah, yes. Two things about this.
1. In a vanilla setting, you alter your mannerisms to suit those such as guests. You would be an asshole for saying such a thing- hell, you'd be an asshole for saying such a thing if you personally prepared it with your own hands!
This next point will require a little more consideration.
2. A slave is a Master's tool, in much the way a computer is yours right now. If you type a paper for a teacher or employeer, then print it, the teacher or employeer doesn't say, "Nice job on the handwritting!" (This is akin to saying "Nice job on the cooking!" to the Master in the dinner setting.) Likewise, they do not say it to the computer, either, as it's expected to perform. However, to a slave, one might compliment, "You serve your Master well." For such a slave, this is the highest compliment.
I feel the second point is often not understood because it can seem so alien for a slave to be simply a tool of the Master, acting for the sole reason of living under him, as opposed to being a seperate individuals with typical desires who is simply guided and controlled by a Master.
I would like to point out that these are truly two different types of relationships- two, that I would argue, which are both viable.
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Its my responsibily to make good decisions that benefit my slave's well being. provide clear direction for her to follow, and correct her when she disobeys. Its her responsibilty to obey my direction and inform me when I have made a bad decision that will harm her well being so I can correct it myself.
And this is this your dynamic. In mine, the slave is my possession- "good decisions" are ones that allow her to better serve me.
Trust me, think your dynamic's great. I feel mine is also great. They're different, and we both use "Master" for them. I'd ask you, though, not to think only one can be right as they both use the terms "Master" and "slave".
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Sure, I dont have as much experience as the other posters here, but in my limited experience with power based relationships, the idea that all the responsibility falls on my shoulders, while romantic, is impractical and unrealistic.
Addressing the responsibility, this is because your slave is, escentially, taking your advice- in the form of orders- on how to live her life. It's still her responsibility. My slave is my property, and I'm responsible for her conduct.
Addressing your "not as much experience", no worries. You're a good guy with a good head on his shoulders. I'm fond of hearing from you, and it's responding to posts like this that can make my time on these forums enjoyable.
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