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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/8/2007 8:55:45 AM   
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It was great to see this thread (hi addicted2U).

On the internet and for especially for free sites: The stats say a minimum of 60% are fake, as in scammers. Then you have men out there who just want sex and will say or do anything to get it. I wonder what that percentage is? (snickers)

I have been here for just over a week on cm and already had someone pretend to be a Dom/Domme couple who wanted to send me their slave.  I gave them my city and then realized the pics were the same man on both profiles. This 'sub' had been hounding me for my city, then made up a fake profile to get the info out of me.

I live in Private, CA. When I have emailed a few times and maybe a phone call with a sub/slave and am confident that they are for real, then and only then will I give my city. If a Domme or Dom who has been around for years gives me a recommendation I am relieved and that makes the process very simple!
I am known on the internet and in real life and value my privacy greatly.

I think saying: I am an hour away from:________ might be a good way to go, so the sub trying to connect with a Goddess will know right away if the situation might work out.

Miss Irish

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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/8/2007 9:28:53 AM   
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This subject is a huge issue with me, but I cannot understand why it is necessary for me to respond to an ad in detail without knowing who or what I am responding to. 

Without going into extreme and convoluted explanations regarding who and what is being represented in CollarMe profiles, I would just ask these pertinent questions:


  • If you are a femdom who is seeking a submissive/slave, and especially one who is expected to be real-time, why do you not indicate a specific locality in your profile?

         I agree that if someone is looking for real time service, then a general idea of the location would help.

  • If you are a femdomme, why would you expect a detailed profile and letter of introduction from a person who may not be able to serve you in real time because of location and travel restrictions?

   Maybe the Dominant wants adetailed profile so She/He can see if you follow instructions, and is open to infrequent visits to them if the chemistry is right.

  • Why do you choose not not respond to a polite request for a specific location only?

 This could be down to safety, although i suspect many people, both Dom and sub are just naturally reluctant to give such details to a total stranger. If the Dominant likes your reply and wishes to meet, the information you requested will inevitably follow. 

I live in California and cannot relocate.  Having said that, California is a very large state, so why not say that you are in either southern, central, or northern California?  Is this too much to ask, or are you worried that someone in a city of several hundred thousand people will actually know who you are and will blow your cover?

I think that I speak for many submissive here.

I would think for every submissive that agrees with you there is another who doesnt. Some will feel as reluctant as the Dominant to exchange info so soon. Others will feel its impolite to question a Dominants actions. This doesnt make you opinion any less valid, it just means everyone is different. I do see the point about wasted effort though, i guess thats just a chance one takes sometimes.  


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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/8/2007 1:11:51 PM   
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It was great to see this thread (hi addicted2U).


Hello, Miss Irish, and thank you for stopping by.

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On the internet and for especially for free sites: The stats say a minimum of 60% are fake, as in scammers. Then you have men out there who just want sex and will say or do anything to get it. I wonder what that percentage is? (snickers)


I do agree with those statistics.  The Internet is loaded with people who misrepresent themselves, and it can be especially dangerous for those people who have little experience here.

Posting private information can be not only a detrament to one's personal security, it also has the potential for compromising one's credit history.  Even your photos can be used in a plot to fool others, which I think may have been at least part of the intention of the person who tried to scam you.

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I have been here for just over a week on cm and already had someone pretend to be a Dom/Domme couple who wanted to send me their slave.  I gave them my city and then realized the pics were the same man on both profiles. This 'sub' had been hounding me for my city, then made up a fake profile to get the info out of me.


Miss Irish, your unfortunate experience with a phoney is probably not not the rule here on CM, but the exception to it.  I believe there are a lot of good people here, especially in the Forums, which is why I try to read and post here regularly.  But there are obviously some who create profiles using false information.  Sadly, most of them never even explore the Forums, but are only trolling, as you have unfortunately found out.

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I live in Private, CA. When I have emailed a few times and maybe a phone call with a sub/slave and am confident that they are for real, then and only then will I give my city. If a Domme or Dom who has been around for years gives me a recommendation I am relieved and that makes the process very simple!   I am known on the internet and in real life and value my privacy greatly.


I can certainly understand why you have those safeguards in place.  Being as I am a submissive male, I probaby do not encounter nearly as many scam artists as do Dominas, or for that matter, female subs.

When I write an introductory letter to a Domina who lives in my general area, I always tell them that I have been a member of my local BDSM community for 10 years, so I do have references if need be.  However, many people do not come with a petagree, so I guess it is those people who need to be scrutinized even more closely.

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I think saying: I am an hour away from:________ might be a good way to go, so the sub trying to connect with a Goddess will know right away if the situation might work out.


I wonder how many other Femdommes will agree with your point of view.  I guess we will have to wait and see.


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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/8/2007 5:48:06 PM   
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Ok, I'm not going to quote everything, so as not to take up a whole page on the thread.
 
addicted2it, I guess I would be guilty of 'keeping score' in a sense when it comes to how much information I am willing to discuss.  I have some basic stuff out there, such as My location and My real pic, but if I am going to be asked questions on details, I'm going to want something before I give that out.  I'm here for other reasons rather than to just be someone's fantasy filler.  If someone wants to get to know Me, I see that more of an exchange, and I'm going to have to get something in return for what someone is asking Me to give.
 
Irish, hello again.  Very glad to see you coming out to put in your two cents.  I agree with your estimate of how many are fakes, if not more.  I might even go as high as at least 80%.  That's over and above the men who are just looking for the kinky sex.  Eventually, I want some type of proof they are who they say they are..
 
sea, Yes, I've noticed the same trend.  I always seem to find the interesting ones are always located somewhere else.  (A side note, TX seems to be where I've noticed some interesting ones.)  I've even noticed a trend where there have been some boys with potential from CO, where I was just a few years ago, and I never saw them until I was in GA.  <shrug>  I'm sure as soon as I move away from GA, I'll notice how many fascinating subs are 'in the area'.

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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/8/2007 6:17:11 PM   
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But you have a choice too...if you don't want to write long, detailed letters...don't!


I expect it would affect a domme's interest in an introductory letter if neither the letter nor the profile list a location. Let's suppose she still likes the letter enough to write back a letter of reasonable length. And let's suppose that she then learns  that the submissive lives 5 hours away. I expect she would feel frustrated for time wasted.

Granted this situation is not the same as that suggested by the OP because here the submissive is who initiated the contact. Still, given how the ratios are and that the choice to simply not contact any profile that does not list the location is not as practical for subs as it might be for dommes, it is how I can best try to convey the perspective from the other side.

I can understand fully not wanting to disclose too detailed personal information including information like the address. If one is uncomfortable about listing the city, I am not clear on why something like Central Texas or something like within x hours of City y is uncomfortable. This information does help someone to whom geographical proximity is important for realistic logistics. And it helps the person with the profile by increasing the ratio of introductions of interest. But practically speaking, how much does listing Central Texas enable a stalker to find out where a person lives by listing Central Texas versus Texas? I agree that what people list is their choice. But I am curious to know if anyone can put to words the reason for the question I ask.

Cheers,

Sea


I see your point sea...but having worked with women who have been abused and who are finding their own strengths...many might want to find out as much as they can online and then proceed with meeting up.  This is not a personal reason for not being specific about My individual location, it is just a suggestion as to why women may not give out this info.  I am certainly not speaking for every Domina nor am I being defensive.  And of course as Irish noted... a lot of people are fakes or have something to hide.
 
I certainly can not speak for Ladies who live in the United States as the country is indeed very large.  However I live on an island that is merely 21 square miles.  Everybody knows everybody and it only takes an hour to drive from one end to another.  So for Me, the situation is very different.  Perhaps I should have made that clear from the beginning since not everyone knows how tiny My island home is.  Location isn't a really big factor for Me either as just about everyone on this site is miles and miles away!  Anyone wanting to visit would have to take a plane or a boat LOL!!!  And if I meet someone who butters My biscuits...they WILL be coming to live in Paradise...! 
 
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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/8/2007 6:25:31 PM   
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sea, Yes, I've noticed the same trend.  I always seem to find the interesting ones are always located somewhere else. 


The grass is always......there on the other side.

I went to Scotland a few years ago and went out to the pubs for New Year's Eve. I noticed a several of the locals were drinking Budweiser. The grass is always greener on the other side and a bud must be an exotic beer for them, so I thought. And so I made a comment to this effect. I was quickly corrected that they were drinking bud for not that reason but because they can drink it all night and not be hung over the next day!

So. My story proves no point. But it is a funny anecdote nonetheless ;-)

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/8/2007 6:27:25 PM   
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having worked with women who have been abused and who are finding their own strengths...many might want to find out as much as they can online and then proceed with meeting up.


Sure, I can see that the women with whom you worked would be even more cautious. Thanks for your comments.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/8/2007 6:44:04 PM   
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addicted2it, I guess I would be guilty of 'keeping score' in a sense when it comes to how much information I am willing to discuss.  I have some basic stuff out there, such as My location and My real pic, but if I am going to be asked questions on details, I'm going to want something before I give that out.  I'm here for other reasons rather than to just be someone's fantasy filler.  If someone wants to get to know Me, I see that more of an exchange, and I'm going to have to get something in return for what someone is asking Me to give.



LadyPact, I think that your concern for safety is well-founded and completely within the boundaries of your concern for safety.  However, when I wrote this post, I did not think that it would stir up so much controversy.  (Shame on stupid me!)  Maybe the thread went too far afield, or maybe I didn't phrase the question or topic as precise as I should have; but there is still the question of why those who write profiles cannot, or are not willing to, give a GENERAL location, as opposed to a SPECIFIC location.

I am presenting myself as someone who has never stalked anyone, nor would I even think of doing so.  Whenever I receive a "no thank you" message, or even if I receive nothing, I have no desire to pursue the person who has rejected me, or to pursue the person who has failed to respond to my letter of introduction for whatever reasons or reasons. 

Maybe I am coming from a place of being totally clueless about stalkers and such, but then I am just learning about what Femdommes have had to deal with from those stalkers or unwelcomed applicats who cannot, or will not, simply cut their losses and move on.  Therefore, please excuse my nievete.



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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/8/2007 6:53:32 PM   
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sea, Yes, I've noticed the same trend.  I always seem to find the interesting ones are always located somewhere else. 


The grass is always......there on the other side.

I went to Scotland a few years ago and went out to the pubs for New Year's Eve. I noticed a several of the locals were drinking Budweiser. The grass is always greener on the other side and a bud must be an exotic beer for them, so I thought. And so I made a comment to this effect. I was quickly corrected that they were drinking bud for not that reason but because they can drink it all night and not be hung over the next day!

So. My story proves no point. But it is a funny anecdote nonetheless ;-)

Cheers,

Sea



There seems to be no accounting for taste, whether it be on one side of the Atlantic or the other.  Washing one's hands in Budweiser would be fine if it wasn't so sticky.  Then again, I cannot stomach Guinness, but prefer the Bavarian counterparts.  I prefer light and powerful, both in women (oops, Women) and in brews.  ;-)  Keep the faith, my friend.

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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/9/2007 3:41:55 AM   
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few here, in my opinion, do post completely authentic and informative profiles. that applies anywhere on the net! either they romanticise their ideaology or their appearance. this is human nature. i get your point about those that don't reveal stuff expecting others to reveal their details, and agree with it. i contact no-one because they have big tits, or like cock-sucking, or are female. i contact them because i like the manner in which they post, or the way they reply to a simple enquiry by me, or an opinion they hold. i would prefer to contact nice people, then see if they fit my criteria for more contact, or are what they say they are. like someone said "i am what i say i am" i need to know that i am exchanging views with genuine people long before i decide to meet them. others do it differently, that is their choice! location is important, maybe, but i would travel many days and many miles were i sure my effort was not going to be wasted on inconsequential people, or fakers. caution is understandable, and vital, with the high percentage of nutters in the world. one post with ones exact location will ensure meeting one of them fairly quickly. i can handle nutters, some people do not wish to have to. caution is a good thing!!

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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/10/2007 9:00:01 AM   
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I'm going with (irrational) fear, (irrational) expectations and laziness (similar to my post).

Have fun.  

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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/10/2007 2:42:10 PM   
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I haven't read the whole thread, but imo, if someone (Dom/me/sub/other) is looking to meet someone in real life, then a general location should be given. Now, I'm not saying to give your exact location, but if you live in New York city... c'mon, how dangerous is that to list???  If you are close to a large city, or inbetween two, then list those as your location (that's what I did... mind you, I still get complaints, so... meah).

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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/10/2007 3:18:25 PM   
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Hi Philip

I agree with you, and having written lots of long introductory letters and gotten desultory responses at best, I share in your frustration.

Let me throw out a different downside as well.  In responding to a profile on this board, I did what I thought most people would appreciate- I did my homework.  The person I wrote to had listed her location along with a website and a myspace page so I did a little searching on google.  Found out that she liked art, certain types of books, etc. which seemed to be a good match with my own tastes.  I wrote a detailed letter telling her that I thought we had certain common interests- what did she think? (and yes, most of the letter focused on vanilla, very little/none on kink.)  Included a picture and my location.  So after several hours of stewing and writing- what was the response I got?

"You know a lot about me."  That's verbatim.  There was a bit more but from the brevity of her response, and the lack of warmth- I certainly didn't strike much of a chord.  It seemed she was upset that I'd done what I considered  to be my homework which consisted of a simple google search on her screen name and given location along with a website.  Obviously with this kind of response- I'm not going to do anything else.  But clearly it's a blurred line between trying to impress someone and being considered a stalker.

Hence I concur with your frustration.  It's very annoying to follow someones request to write a detailed response based on often very sketchy information (lots of wild deductive leaps here.) that gets a response that could be measured in syllables.

Regards,

Sam
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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/10/2007 4:05:55 PM   
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Hi Philip

I agree with you, and having written lots of long introductory letters and gotten desultory responses at best, I share in your frustration.

Let me throw out a different downside as well.  In responding to a profile on this board, I did what I thought most people would appreciate- I did my homework.  The person I wrote to had listed her location along with a website and a myspace page so I did a little searching on google.  Found out that she liked art, certain types of books, etc. which seemed to be a good match with my own tastes.  I wrote a detailed letter telling her that I thought we had certain common interests- what did she think? (and yes, most of the letter focused on vanilla, very little/none on kink.)  Included a picture and my location.  So after several hours of stewing and writing- what was the response I got?

"You know a lot about me."  That's verbatim.  There was a bit more but from the brevity of her response, and the lack of warmth- I certainly didn't strike much of a chord.  It seemed she was upset that I'd done what I considered  to be my homework which consisted of a simple google search on her screen name and given location along with a website.  Obviously with this kind of response- I'm not going to do anything else.  But clearly it's a blurred line between trying to impress someone and being considered a stalker.

Hence I concur with your frustration.  It's very annoying to follow someones request to write a detailed response based on often very sketchy information (lots of wild deductive leaps here.) that gets a response that could be measured in syllables.

Regards,

Sam
Stamford, CT


Hi, Sam, and thanks for your input on this often times confusing subject.

I've never thought of doing a Google search, or used any search engine based upon a screen name given here.  I suppose that is because I assume that no one posts a name here that is used in other venues besides BDSM.  However, some do, and perhaps the person of your interest in this particular case chose to use the same name on her "vanilla" sites as well as on her BDSM and/or sexually-explicit cites.  It is possible that she was taken by surprise by your very meticulous research.  It may be true, at least in her eyes, that you knew much too much about her, and it made her uncomfortable.

Many females who advertise here and on other sites probably do experience harassment, and possibly stalking, simply because their profile has been posted to a sexually-explicit Website.  And sometimes too much information can be a bad thing when contacting someone for the first time.

Your research and motives were probably very clear and innocent; but in your case, it probably resulted in a big, red flag for her. 

In this instance, an error on the side of caution may not have been a bad thing.

I do wish you well in your future endeavors.

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RE: Long letters of introduction...only to be rebuffed. - 5/10/2007 7:03:12 PM   
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I just checked My profile and was surprised to see that it only says Arizona.  I did have a general location, but it is gone. I may have done it Myself, in error, or something else may have caused a glitch. 
That said,  I am seeking a live-in...So if someone is contacting Me from another state, it probably isn't all that important where in the state I am since he would be relocating anyway.  I might make a difference if I lived in a less than metropolitan area that could cause a problem with having a job.  But other than that...
If I hear from a local (meaning Az) boy who wants to now where I am, I will say "Phoenix area"...that is enough info.  I do not necessarily expect a long letter of introduction unless the boy is sincerely interested in exploring a live-in situation.  Then, frankly, I don't care if he lives in Tucson or Flagstaff.  I will expect him to relocate.  Interested parties can also glean additonal information from My journal (I post the location of My munches), or by visiting the boards.  Most don't bother.
It is too bad that some are from certain states wherein they only wish to serve on a live-out, part time, local basis.  In that instance, I guess you do consider it a waste of your time.  I consider it a waste of time to read lots of stupid email too.  I think it would be the responsibility of both parties to list reasonable information in their profiles.  If ony seeking local, then some parameters defining "local" should be included.  But I read (or don't read) an awful lot of completely blank profiles after I flip to them when I have received a one liner.  We all waste time.  It is part and parcel of seeking a relationship in this manner.   

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