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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 11:06:37 AM   
seeksfemslave


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Sinergy
who said re my opinions of his "self defense training" attitudes
I understand you think it is bollocks, Seeks.  Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and they all stink sometimes


Tho' I stand by my opinion of your "methods and attitudes" as you describe them, when I re read the post I regretted the last line but it was too late to edit out.
So I apologise for that now !.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 11:10:56 AM   
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Apology accepted.

Peace out

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 11:21:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: cjenny

I've never known ANY father to say that it is okay for an adult man to tell his teenaged daughter that he is going to 'butt fuck her'. My god.



Fair enough.

We are teaching women to fight for their lives against men who assault them.

[dreamworld]

You think a perpetrator who uses verbal intimidation is going to hold back and NOT say these sorts of things to a woman he intends to rape or kill?

Of course not, there are standards of protocol which rapists and serial killers will adhere to when they are attacking women!

[/dreamworld]

The sarcasm is amusing Sinergy. Do you feel defensive perhaps?

The process involves verbal desensitization so that the woman being attacked is able to keep her wits about her and fight for her life when some sick person is assaulting them.

Sinergy

p.s.  On the other hand, the feedback we get from graduates who have had to use our stuff to defend themselves is that the mock assailants in class were generally a lot more verbally nasty.  The students fighting for their lives actually found their real-life assailants boring and inarticulate in their attempts to be nasty.


Sorry but under no circumstances is it appropriate for an adult man, to discuss brazilian waxes & butt fucking with a 14 year old girl. Definitive statement yes, it is. Using crude sexual verbal assault techniques in order to goad a reaction is not appropriate for a 14 year old girl. This may well be the first absolute I've stated on these forums but I was a 14 year old girl once. I've also gone thru self defense & attack classes. Even as a grown woman no instructor would bring up butt fucking me.
That it is being used in conjunction with life saving self defense does not excuse this. I'm really surprised that you've (as a company) haven't received anything but compliments.
If a man said that to my UM, his head would be spinning first from MY slap then from the ensuing investigations.


"The students fighting for their lives actually found their real-life assailants boring and inarticulate in their attempts to be nasty."

Then why not use real life situations?


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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 11:29:31 AM   
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Do you have any idea how many people in show business, law enforcement, or politics I have been the mock assailant for?


Don't know - don't care - don't see it matters. Unless you want to go off on another tangent regarding your training of "show business", "law enforcement", and "politics". Besides, I'd imagine that Brazilian waxing and your added treat of "butt-fucking" are common practices for these groups. Hell, similiar confrontations with member of those groups can be considered 'social' and could result in long term 'relationships'.

The comment was addressed concerning what is said to a minor. In the example you provided, a 14 year old. I pointed out it is the similar to the examples of IM exchanges, considered inappropriate and ultimately illegal if done in person, when adult men use them in their dialog with underage individuals. In those cases these exchanges are used to capture those who are considered "predators" of 14 year olds.

Any implied fault isn't with you, if you are "just following orders". I understand you are not being complicit; you're "just the assailant". 

Seems obvious that whoever designed the program lacks the ability to train or motivate without resorting to these tactics. 'Intent' can be used to rationalize any behavior or action.

Any parent who puts their child in a situation where they'd be confronted with butt-fucking or Brazilian waxing is more complicit than any assistant. I'm sure that the methods of the course, documenting the use of referencing 'butt-fucking' and 'waxing' are fully disclosed since they are so common in real world examples. I'm just out of touch. If a 14 year old is commonly confronted at a mall or any public venue by a predator suggesting a "Brazilian wax", or a "butt-fuck"; I stand corrected.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 11:58:59 AM   
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If a man said that to my UM, his head would be spinning first from MY slap then from the ensuing investigations.


That would be rather odd, seeing that you consented to having the UM enrolled in the class if your UM took it. It seems to me that parents should know what they are consenting to have their kids taught when signing on the dotted line.

Are you really saying that parents other than you cannot decide to have their UMs taught effective self defense because it makes YOU uncomfortable? You know, if I had a 14 year old daughter, I would sign her up after witnessing a graduation. I plan on taking the class myself. I would certainly rather an instructor say those things to her than she put herself in a situation where she ended up a statistic. If you had any clue how hard these graduates fight, how charged they were when they do so, you would see how empowering the class really is.

The class is ran by women for women. I have never seen so much empowered estrogen in one room in my life. It actually made me tearful to see how proud of themselves these women were after they beat the crap outta my Daddy. And if you saw the risks that he puts himself under to do this, I wonder how you would feel if it were your dom. I worry for him getting a neck or head injury.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 12:19:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
The process involves verbal desensitization so that the woman being attacked is able to keep her wits about her and fight for her life when some sick person is assaulting them.


Exactly.  If I had a young daughter, which I don't, I'd definitely be sending her to Sinergy so that she could learn to face this kind of situation with expert training.

It would be nice if we lived in a world where we didn't have to worry that our UM's would be assaulted, but that is not where we live.  So our choices are to prepare them so they have a better chance to fight back and survive, or not to prepare them and deal with the consequences.  Rapists and killers do use verbal assault as well as physical assault, and being psychologically prepared to deal with that is going to be a key element.

Did you really want a mock assailant to behave politely and watch his language?  Pretty much obviates the entire point of self defense training for girls, I'd say.  If you are simulating a rape attempt that you want the student to learn how to defeat, you'd damn well better do it right or the training is worthless.  

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 12:32:22 PM   
Mercnbeth


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Are you really saying that parents other than you cannot decide to have their UMs taught effective self defense because it makes YOU uncomfortable? You know, if I had a 14 year old daughter, I would sign her up after witnessing a graduation. I plan on taking the class myself. I would certainly rather an instructor say those things to her than she put herself in a situation where she ended up a statistic.


Based upon this
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Sinergy
p.s.  On the other hand, the feedback we get from graduates who have had to use our stuff to defend themselves is that the mock assailants in class were generally a lot more verbally nasty.  The students fighting for their lives actually found their real-life assailants boring and inarticulate in their attempts to be nasty.


The method has little, if any, resemblance to "real-life assailants". Realism would require a "boring and inarticulate" assailant. That being the case, is the reference to shock the parents?

Both my children attending self defense course. My daughter going to one specifically addressing 'street sense' and 'defense'. It didn't make me uncomfortable to see the 'role-playing' used. In this case I'd be uncomfortable being a part of the process that uses such reference. Especially now knowing that the reference, is admitted to not reflect reality. More in tune with 'real life' would be on a potential predator insisting the 14 year old help find a lost pet, or even another lost child. I'm already on record saying I don't know how many 14 year olds are currently confronted and would be attracted to a person soliciting butt-fucking and waxing. I know of few who, without training, wouldn't be taken in by a lost puppy.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 12:47:30 PM   
SDFemDom4cuck


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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Um, I think a bit of Sinergy's context has been lost Gris....

He helps train Self Defense classes.

There are 2 ways to ward off an attacker. Try to scratch their faces, or unload a revolver into their chests.

Either way works.




Why bother scratching their faces?

Any idea exactly how quickly a man drops from a knee to the testicles?

Sinergy


Why yes I do...about 2.3 seconds or less depending on how hard the kick is.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 12:53:09 PM   
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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 12:58:42 PM   
SDFemDom4cuck


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ha! he was wearing pads, wuss.


Nope, I don't usually allow them to wear pads. Ooooh you mean Sinergy. Well given the sheer number of kicks to the head, groin, shins and other body parts I think they would be necessary. Hard to teach self defense if he's on the floor crying like a girl. Once he can breathe again that is.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 1:01:32 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: Rumtiger

ha! he was wearing pads, wuss.


That allows me to do more than one fight a night, Rumtiger.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 1:19:42 PM   
Rumtiger


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Status: offline 		Yeah, but I can make that one fight a night an epic that would make the ancients like Homer cream his toga.

of course it just comes at the cost of being as sterile as a fresh scalpel and forgetting where my car keys are about 5 times a day like a 9 year old with constant ADD, but dammit its was worth it!

My hot wings are too salty...what where we talking about?

< Message edited by Rumtiger -- 5/8/2007 1:22:07 PM >

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 4:54:56 PM   
Vendaval


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Well those are only cartoon tits, NG.  I like both tits and ass myself. 
Give me a nice, rounded, voluptuous woman like Sophia Loren or
Salma Hayek any day...


No arguments here :-) A "flesh" section would be a welcome addition to this board.





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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 4:58:01 PM   
Vendaval


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy
The process involves verbal desensitization so that the woman being attacked is able to keep her wits about her and fight for her life when some sick person is assaulting them.


Exactly.  If I had a young daughter, which I don't, I'd definitely be sending her to Sinergy so that she could learn to face this kind of situation with expert training.

It would be nice if we lived in a world where we didn't have to worry that our UM's would be assaulted, but that is not where we live.  So our choices are to prepare them so they have a better chance to fight back and survive, or not to prepare them and deal with the consequences.  Rapists and killers do use verbal assault as well as physical assault, and being psychologically prepared to deal with that is going to be a key element.

Did you really want a mock assailant to behave politely and watch his language?  Pretty much obviates the entire point of self defense training for girls, I'd say.  If you are simulating a rape attempt that you want the student to learn how to defeat, you'd damn well better do it right or the training is worthless.  



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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/8/2007 5:35:52 PM   
juliaoceania


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Did you really want a mock assailant to behave politely and watch his language?  Pretty much obviates the entire point of self defense training for girls, I'd say.  If you are simulating a rape attempt that you want the student to learn how to defeat, you'd damn well better do it right or the training is worthless.  


I would add here that the entire object of the class is to upset the student and put them in a mental state such as they would be in if they were really attacked. In the class they get to talk to the mock assailants when they are not attacking them. There has to be an over the top sort of action on the part of the mock assailant to get the adrenal response out of the student. It is not about creating "real life", it is about training the part of the brain that will have to respond to a real attack. They have to get the student mad or scared so they can teach them how to respond to a real life situation where fear could paralyze them. And you are right, teaching people moves is not all there is to it.


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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/9/2007 12:36:47 AM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Don't know - don't care - don't see it matters.



Now I am confused, you mentioned Dateline because?

Dont want to know the answer, dont ask the question.

Sinergy

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/9/2007 12:43:39 AM   
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I am once again up past my bedtime because of stupid adrenalin.

Tonight was defense against the armed assailant.

I have had the living crap beaten out of me by 8 women for the past 4 hours.  The apologized for hurting me by slamming me to the ground and then stomping their knees on the hand I had the weapon in.  What is weird is that I spent the entire evening teaching me to slam me hard.

I asked them to not apologize.  I pointed out that the reason I am so obnoxious, tricky, weird, and hard to fight is because I have a sense of professionalism about what I do.  I dont want the students to leave our class with a shitty product.

I indicated that the student slamming my arm into the mat (leaving relatively lovely bruises) is something I can take home with me and if I hear of a student of mine beating the living crap out of an assailant, I think of the damage done to the assailant as my little gift.

What is curious to me as the passive observer is that the students shared how freaking difficult it is for them to fight me, how scared out of their heads fighting me, and how much they thank me for being creepy, hard fighting, a pure asshole, etc.

If my worldview was not firmly grounded in Taoism, the duality of this would fuck with my head.

Sinergy

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/9/2007 12:50:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
P.S. I didn't see any Mick Jagger in there.


Nope.  But a lot of David Bowie.  Oh.  Wait.  That's my private photo album.  In my fantasy, anyway.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/9/2007 12:50:54 AM   
SDFemDom4cuck


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ORIGINAL: Sinergy


I am once again up past my bedtime because of stupid adrenalin.

Tonight was defense against the armed assailant.

I have had the living crap beaten out of me by 8 women for the past 4 hours.  The apologized for hurting me by slamming me to the ground and then stomping their knees on the hand I had the weapon in.  What is weird is that I spent the entire evening teaching me to slam me hard.

I asked them to not apologize.  I pointed out that the reason I am so obnoxious, tricky, weird, and hard to fight is because I have a sense of professionalism about what I do.  I dont want the students to leave our class with a shitty product.

I indicated that the student slamming my arm into the mat (leaving relatively lovely bruises) is something I can take home with me and if I hear of a student of mine beating the living crap out of an assailant, I think of the damage done to the assailant as my little gift.

What is curious to me as the passive observer is that the students shared how freaking difficult it is for them to fight me, how scared out of their heads fighting me, and how much they thank me for being creepy, hard fighting, a pure asshole, etc.

If my worldview was not firmly grounded in Taoism, the duality of this would fuck with my head.

Sinergy


Sinergy...are you sure you aren't just a tiny bit masochist?? LOL

On a more serious note I'm sure the knowledge that these women walk out of there being able to handle any situation and able to protect themselves is worth every bruise you get. I want to just say Thank you for what you do. You're the bestest!

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How glittering they shone -
And every One unbared a Nerve
Or wantoned with a Bone -

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/9/2007 1:05:05 AM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

Sinergy...are you sure you aren't just a tiny bit masochist?? LOL



I know I am a masochist on some level.  Or just depressingly stupid.

I have never met anybody that made me think it would be fun to bottom to.  I do a fairly effective job of keeping myself hopped on endorphins all on my own.

I have done martial arts and self defense since I was 17.  I have done all sorts of stupid things which have resulted in damage to me.

Thank you for the lovely compliments.  The students tell me I have changed their lives in a positive way.  I dont think men or women are the enemy.  I think it is men and women working together to end violence.

Sinergy



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