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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 3:42:45 PM   
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I ,like you, have done my bit for King and Country, I was a Recon Marine, and had friends die in my arms.. Defending  against tyranny,and oppression, and our rights and those of others to live with out fear and pursue their dreams. To see their children and grand children grow up with out fear.
Bush is a Good President, and a good  man... as for the war,  fighting  them on their soil is keeping them off ours!  SO, all  you bleeding heart liberals,  that just dont get it. ( these people, radical muslums )  dont care,  that  you are compassionate to their cause! THEY WANT YOU DEAD ANYWAY ! if you are not a radical muslum!
We had the opertunity to catch  ben ladin, in  Africa  during Clintons  Presidency, with the help of their government, and Clinton, a bleeding heart liberal, didnt take the  opertunity.....  So what it  boils down to is this, Bush inherited Clintons mistakes..not only that, Clinton cut down the size of our military, and cut down the size of our Intelligence operations,and Bush inherited those mistakes as well..
One other thing,There was only one man that didnt make mistakes, that walked on water!  and they persecuted and killed  him...
The cost of freedom., Is being forever vigallent,and  not putting blind faith in a leader, or a Government. Its Being informed, finding the truth. THE TRUTH!
Not what is feed to us by the liberal media......
I love My country... and I would still fight and give my life defending her.
Jim is right!!!    God Bless you Jim..   and those like us.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 4:02:24 PM   
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 If you wanted to become CM's Arsewipe for 2006, you have made a great start..... Asd for me i work on the principle in your specific case: If it acts like a Shitforbrains Clusterfuck, and it talks like a Shitforbrains Clusterfuck, then it probably is a Shitforbrains Clusterfuck,


My Dear Australian Sweetheart,
Thank you for your charming love note. I can't possibly match your soothing, caressing words with anything quite so delicious, so I won't try.

I notice that your compliments come after I toned down my own language and got a lot calmer. You might want to notice that while I expressed anger and said I thought (and think) you were completely out of place, I didn't call you names, didn't say anything derogatory about your character and didn't even mock you. I don't do that with people who I generally respect, and I generally respect you. At least, so far.

Your little love note lowers my opinion of you, but it seems out of character for you. Of course, if you want to act like a no-account, bloody fool, which is what you just did in your last post, well -- you make your own character. Personally, I don't judge people on just one post, but over time you'll show your real character either way.

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Actuall old son, I only get involved in discussions about who may or may not be a better man for the Whitehouse with a very few friends in the US on odd occasions and that even usually involves certain asoects of international policies and their effect, or about the state of the Military.


Well, I have a much smaller problem with that. My problem was what you said on the message board.


So you have a problem with what I have said on the message board ehhh. Are you aware that what I posted originally, is mild to what others posted in other threads.... No what you got pissy about was me pushing Ron forward to run for President..


(Sigh.) No, I got pissed off at what you said about telling people not to vote for Bush. Yeah, I got the idea that pushing Ron for president was a joke. I said this before and I'll say it again -- I wasn't clear enough about that in my original post. How many times do I have to say it? Is your reading as bad as your typing?

Yes, I well know what you said was mild compared to others. I respected you for it.

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To start with you don't know us and I'll bloody well make all the suggestions I want as far as who I think the next President should be....Do you seriously believe that the powers that be will take notice of me?? Stone the bloody crows what tree or dunny have you been hiding in????..


You do whatever you want, Aussie. You can be as rude and as crude as you want in your posts, too. And you can be as presumptuous as you want to tell the citizens of this democracy that they don't know what they're doing despite the fact that they live here and you don't, that they (on average) know a hell of a lot more about what goes on here than you do and that they naturaly love their own country whereas you can't be expected to love it as much. Do you tell your neighbors whether they should sleep in double beds or separate beds too? Do you tell them what color to paint their house? If you did, would you be surprised if they were offended?

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Dont like my comments well get a grip and move on but don't immagine that you will silence or any of the others you are trying to do character assinations on..


Get your own grip, bud. I'll move on if I want, but if I want to stay and tell you off for butting your nose where it doesn't belong I'll do just that. You're not the only one with rights.

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or any of the others you are trying to do character assinations on..


Now in an assinine post, that's the most assinine thing you've said. I'd be ashamed to have written that if I were you. If I'd written that it would shut me up for a good long while just for the sheer embarassment of it. I'd claim temporary insanity. I'd tell people I said it in the heat of argument and that I'll be more careful next time.

If you seriously accuse me of character assassination, then you give chapter and verse as to where I've ever done it. Conduct yourself with that much decency. 

I haven't made a single attack, criticism or joke at anyone's expense without saying or clearly indicating exactly where I had a problem with what that person was doing. The only person doing character assassination on this thread has been John Warren, and, unlike you, I've said just why I think so and have given him a chance to defend himself or take it back.   

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 5:02:34 PM   
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A bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush.....but why waste the birdfeed on Bush?  He will bring the birds together as he has the power and the Hilo's crash and the men/women die and the democracy in Iraq is in chaos, the weapons of mass destruction are still hid LOL  and he is still the President and the war, that we pay for rages on with no end in sight!
Why?

This is my last political discussion, as I won't argue..but Bush is only a good product in beans...love em, but the Bush President is an IDIOT and is killing our kids!

Peace, Kevin

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 5:18:34 PM   
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Except of course that I believe in freedom of speech and said so. Is it fair to twist some statement made early on in a way that's derogatory to the person who said it when later statements from the same person make clear that he believes just the opposite? 


Sorry, I can't spend my time trying to keep track of every post you make.  I generally don't read your posts in any case.  If you look carefully, you'll notice it was clear I was engaging in a dialogue with Gauge in which he quoted a segment of a post you had made earlier, said post reading like a call for repression.  I put in quotes so that would be obvious to even the most casual reader.

You really aren't significant enough for me to make the effort.
 Message edited by JohnWarren -- 3/22/2006 11:16:58 PM 


Well, Your August Majesty, thanks so much for deigning to step down off your throne long enough to address this lowly peon.

Uh, you forgot to flush.

So you don't have the time to read my posts, but have just enough time to libel me and conduct character assassination on the message boards. I'm surprised you found it important enough to go back to your post and edit it.

I guess you've given a defense, of a sort: You present yourself as irresponsible rather than a liar. You're not interested enough to read the posts of someone you're attacking. And yet you're interested enough to make the attack. I think your mask is slipping.

Before your irresponsible attack on me, I hadn't attacked your character, called you names, or done anything to you except strongly disagree with your opinions. I was even civil about it. I did joke occasionally about some of the things you said, but I think on a message board where people debate hot, inflammatory topics, that's expected, and one of the easier things to put up with. At least for us commoners.

Now that Your Augustness deigns to notice my insignificant self and actually address me, you show a certain lack of that virtue usually associated with monarchs -- magnanimity. The gracious thing for someone who has been ignoring another person who then claims to be insulted is to either brush them off with a small apology or actually look into the matter. I guess your crown is slipping.

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said post reading like a call for repression.


Johnnie boy, you wouldn't know repression from the hole in your ass. With that statement you're presenting yourself as stupid as well as irresponsible. The first of my three statements was from that original post, the one "reading like a call for repression." Exactly what kind of call for repression has a statement in it like "Feel free to criticize him and by extension us"?
 
Maybe the kind that isn't a call for repression at all. Every time someone tells someone else that he shouldn't say something, it's not an attack on the First Amendment, sometimes it's just a call for recognizing that the statement is offensive. But Johnnie, you already know that. Because you're not stupid, Johnnie. You're not even simply irresponsible.
 
You're just a liar.
 
I think your attack, which you're not man enough to admit to doing, comes because you're intollerant of people with different political opinions, but the fact is that whatever the motivation, you're a low character.  

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 5:25:59 PM   
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I'm not going to play word games with you DM, if it came to a pissing contest, I'm reasonably sure that I'd win, but it would be a no contest seeing I have the aces of knowing who and what I am and where I fit as well as who my associations and friends are in the US, and thus it would be cheating.. Wouldn't be cricket old lad.. Your opinion of me matters not, if you decide you cant stand me, well gee wiz I dont think that will even show up on the richter scale. But then again my opinion and assessment of you wouldn't show either unless some one asked me as a Psych for an opinion.. You attacked friends.. John Warran, Gauge, ChainGang .. I have no need to repost you commnents and certainly they are all big boyos who can look after themselves. They just happen to be some of the folk here I have a great respect for. A lot of guys here have done their duty with their Military Service.. It is probable that if we all exchanged real names etc I'd know a few of them and may have even shared the odd fire fight with.. I'm sure JW was at Bragg the same time I was and we appear to have shared the same bars, dirt and sniffed the same air but probably not at the same time... Not sporting to comment on a man's typing old chap is it? No my typing is not at fault as slow as I do type, nor mostly is my spelling even though I do use the Aussie English Dict which is different to the US English Dict. Dyslexia is something I can't do much about except to write in word.. (Jees I miss my own computer and DSN). Still you do what you want to do.. I don't have to like it but, I'll defend your right to be you..  I'll potter along anddo what I'll do.. BTW if you do win the ass Wipe of 2006, display the badge in a place of honour, some good people have won it in previous years.. Damn I was close runner up last year.. Sheesh ......! You have already been awarded the Clusterfuck Award (Shitforbrains Level) and are the first to have that so go pat yourself on nthe back (Sorry my arms aren't long enoiugh to do it personally). Don't take it seriously, it's all in the game... I have no doubt that from time to time you'll hear me blowing rasberries at some posts you make or you'll see my comments supporting something you'd said..

Cheers DM..... Go have a couple of cans of Budlite or something soothing

LDV (lowdeepvoice),
Yep I know the situation you faced in the Mideast during Clintons Presidency. I'll not open that can of worms of the guttig of the US Military and the cutting of Pensions too.... Marine Recon ehh? had a lot of mates there. Good troopers too. Salute' Mate.  Just have to ask.. How many people have commented that you are a dead ringer for the character of "Grissom" in CSI?  Stone the bloody crows, my Wife/Free Companion was convinced that you were him....

Cheers LDV Mate and welcome to CM




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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 6:01:32 PM   
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You have already been awarded the Clusterfuck Award (Shitforbrains Level)



Hey now..............*grins*
 
I just want to say that I tend to think both of you are decent folk (meaning Iron Bear and DM). Both passionate about what you think and write.
 
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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 6:12:52 PM   
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Actually I'm not trying to bait you. But I could turn it around and say you were trying to bait me by describing what I said in pretty much the opposite way from the way I meant them. Maybe we should just call it debate.


Not baiting you. I called it as I saw it. Debate is a fine label.

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 Gauge, I was trying to clarify my own words in my later posts, but let me try here again. I think you're an intelligent guy (no sarcasm intended) and you can follow this: There's a difference between trying "to silence" someone or "telling someone they are not entitled to their opinion" or declaring they have "no right" to their opinion and saying someone shouldn't say something because it's not their place, because it's none of their business or because it's rude or pointless or -- well there could be hundreds of different reasons. I find it offensive in this case.  


I don't understand how someone, living in another country, stating their opinion about who should lead the country is offensive, rude, pointless etc. But it's your world, I'm just living in it.

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That means I disagree with what he did. It doesn't stop him from saying it or take his rights away. I didn't even say he couldn't have his own opinion. To say "he had no business voicing his opinion about who should run this country" is an accurate statement on your part, but don't you see it's different from the other statements?
Statements like: "So now others aren't allowed their opinions? Interesting. So silence everyone outside of our country about what they think of the US?"


I will admit that you never came out and said that he couldn't have an opinion... you just gave him a huge bag of shit for giving it. It was an unfair attack if you say that "It doesn't stop him from saying it or take his rights away" then what exactly is the issue here? Why do you disagree with what he did? Why such a vehiment attack if the man has a right to his opinion, voiced or not?

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If I said you had no business telling my sister that her pink tutu was ugly, it doesn't mean you don't have a right to hold your opinion or no right to state your opinion somewhere else. It means you were out of place to tell her, rude to tell her. This isn't exactly the same because he wasn't being rude, but in both cases there's a distinction


I am not getting the distinction. You did not tell him that he was out of place, you told him it was:

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Feel free to criticize him and by extension us, but we'll elect who we damn well please in our own damn way and for our own damn reasons, and quite frankly, it's none of your damn business who we elect. You are out of line. Way out of line. 
 
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We in America know the conditions here, and unless you've done a lot of studying of my country's internal conditions, it AIN'T YOUR GODDAM BUSINESS.


None of his goddam business. This simple little statement has all sorts of implications. It implies he has no right to make the comment he made. It implies that he is not entitled to his opinion or to offer it. Disregard the fact that it was YOU that found it offensive and out of line. You basically tried to shut him down from offering his thoughts. Now, he is either entitled to his opinion or he isn't. Pick one and stick with it. Whether you found it rude or out of line doesn't matter. You may disagree with him, tell him that you disagree but you tried to shut him down because he offered an opinion at all.

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If you're a decent person you'll realize that my objection doesn't mean I'm against free speech. If you're a decent person, you'll acknowledge that because it's insulting and it's a lie. Your call.


I never said that you didn't believe in free speech. However, if that is the truth then why the tirade to begin with? I will repeat: He is either entitled to his opinion or he isn't. Pick one. I am not attempting to insult you or call you a liar, don't make this personal because it isn't. It is a question that I have offered to you in order to understand your position.

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Funny that you agreed with me and then suddenly changed your mind.

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I showed respect for your opinion and reconsidered my own. You're going to hold that against me?
 


No sir, I am not holding anything against you. It was an observation. This is not a personal thing, I hold nothing against you for what happened and I respect the fact that you thought enough of my points to reconsider your own opinion.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 6:30:12 PM   
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I thank you, and I'm sure my fellow clusterfucker thanks you.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 6:36:11 PM   
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Gauge, it's the difference between hating someone and being irritated with someone; between saying a thing should be outlawed or that, in polite society, it should never be done.

I'm satisfied that you and I just have a difference of opinion and that you're not trying to insult me. Be well.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 6:40:35 PM   
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Bush is a Good President, and a good  man... as for the war,  fighting  them on their soil is keeping them off ours!  SO, all  you bleeding heart liberals,  that just dont get it. ( these people, radical muslums )  dont care,  that  you are compassionate to their cause! THEY WANT YOU DEAD ANYWAY ! if you are not a radical muslum!


Crossing every ocean to do it too, eh? Damn those, Eurasians!

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ORIGINAL: lowdeepvoice
We had the opertunity to catch  ben ladin, in  Africa  during Clintons  Presidency, with the help of their government, and Clinton, a bleeding heart liberal, didnt take the  opertunity.....  So what it  boils down to is this, Bush inherited Clintons mistakes..not only that, Clinton cut down the size of our military, and cut down the size of our Intelligence operations,and Bush inherited those mistakes as well...


I am pretty well convinced that the U.S. essentially created Bin Laden, so maybe there's a strategy worth considering: don't create monsters you cannot control or that might eventually prove unpredictable. Noriega and Saddam come to mind in this regard. BTW, you might want to dig a little further into history than just shitting all over Clinton. Clinton is the best friend that the Rethugs ever had.

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ORIGINAL: lowdeepvoice
One other thing,There was only one man that didnt make mistakes, that walked on water!  and they persecuted and killed  him...


Actually I am pretty sure they killed him for fomenting revolution and putting money changers out of the temple. Never fuck with big business. As far as walking on water goes, I do it too - I just look for the rocks just below the surface and carefully step on those...


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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 7:24:15 PM   
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Crossing every ocean to do it too, eh? Damn those, Eurasians!


Yeah, like the ones who crossed the ocean to blow up the World Trade Center in the early '90s, or the ones who crossed the ocean to create 9/11, or the shoebomber guy who was caught as he was crossing the ocean.

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I am pretty well convinced that the U.S. essentially created Bin Laden,


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. But then it doesn't take a whole lot to get you pretty well convinced that the U.S. is responsible for any evil in the world. Saddam's weapons, Bin Laden, Noriega, Saddam himself. Hey, if the U.S. wasn't around to create all this evil, the world would be a much better place. Always blame America first.


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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 7:34:00 PM   
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You make every personal bit of information about yourself open to everyone in the world...

How about trading personal information??  He tells the truth... and I don't mean politician-truth, I mean, honest-to-god-strike-me-down-dead-this-instant-if-I-lie kinda truth about his affiliations with Unocal, the Bin Laden family, cocaine use, drunk driving, Arbusto oil failures, intelligence estimates, no bid contracts, Enron, and unaltered SAT scores... and I will be happy to share my skeletons with him.

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You stand up in front of cameras and make a perfect speech every time.

Ok.  I'll even write it myself.
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You make a perfect decision every single day.

Tell me one perfect decision Bush has made....on his own.... just one.

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...if you're an American I fought for your right to do it.

Thanks for the service... he's still an idiot and has no business running a company, much less this country.
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The posts I see here attacking on a personal level are more than likely form someone who hasn't done 1 thing for this country except sit back and whine and probably suck up welfare checks as fast as they can before getting caught.


People always get reminded of the dangers of assumptions...and yet...no one ever seems to listen.

Look... I'm not perfect, but I'm also not expected to lead the country while setting a good example to the rest of the world.  That's what he was hired to do.  If this were any other job...he'd be out on his ass. 

I'm not looking for perfection in my president...just competence.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 8:02:30 PM   
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Bush is a Good President, and a good  man...

What makes him a good president and a good man?  Which accomplishments, exactly?  Has he even read a single bill that has crossed his desk? He certainly hasn't vetoed any of them.  Which qualities make him a good man?  Clinton was labeled a scumbag for smoking pot and getting blown.  What does cocaine and drunk driving get you?
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as for the war,  fighting  them on their soil is keeping them off ours!  SO, all  you bleeding heart liberals,  that just dont get it. ( these people, radical muslums )  dont care,  that  you are compassionate to their cause! THEY WANT YOU DEAD ANYWAY ! if you are not a radical muslum!
  Hey...you're right.  They would never consider infiltrating the US via routes through Canada or Mexico and I'm sure that there is no possible way that any radical muslim could possibly make it through any of the newly acquired UAE ports...especially as we have such a large standing army protecting our..our...oh...nevermind.  I'll just assume that someone is watching the border.

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We had the opertunity to catch  ben ladin, in  Africa  during Clintons  Presidency, with the help of their government, and Clinton, a bleeding heart liberal, didnt take the  opertunity.....  So what it  boils down to is this, Bush inherited Clintons mistakes..not only that, Clinton cut down the size of our military, and cut down the size of our Intelligence operations,and Bush inherited those mistakes as well..
Funny thing is.. we are fighting this war with Clinton's Army.  The shortcomings... not ensuring that every soldier had body armor, uparmoring HUMMVEEs, etc was due to piss poor planning on Bush's part.  I would still like to see your numbers on military downsizing.   If you'd do some research, you'll find that the initial downsizing of the US Armed Forces started after Desert Storm.  The Cold War was over and we had no need to maintain the size of force that we had maintained during the 1970s and 80s.  Bush Sr. started cutting the military by offering early retirement and allowing soldiers, sailors and airmen out of their contracts early. (Which actually started happening before Desert Storm)...so, stop bashing Clinton for Bush's fuckups.

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I love My country... and I would still fight and give my life defending her

I love my country too and will happily defend the constitution from any enemy, foreign...or domestic.

Recruiters are always looking for prior service guys....

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 8:14:39 PM   
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Well here's my challenge. Let's all get our collective heads out of our asses, stop settling for the mediocrity of partisan politics, and elect a president that is worthy of the office.


none exist


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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 8:21:23 PM   
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My only problem with this is that these people don't seem to want us there anyway! Yes we are trying to improve the quality of their lives and yet not change their beliefs. We are trying to change the way they govern and let the people actually have a say and yet, we are still being fired upon and killed. I think of the countless number of our men and women who have lost their lives over a war that should never have been started. This is Bush's fault but he is not the one paying for it.


this is NOT America's job. i think the Prime Directive should aply here...non-interference should be our concern.


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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 8:24:55 PM   
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uhm hon, there is a place for your commentary, its the editorial section of your local newspaper--unless of course you are misguided by names and really mean you want to elect John Warren, then I'd agree with Hillary as VP --sorry libby nothing personal, but we really need you behind the scenes " whipping" the Cabinet in shape.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 8:31:20 PM   
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Folks, please feel free to debate this issue, but if the namecalling and mudslinging doesn't come to a screeching halt this thread is getting locked.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 9:05:15 PM   
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Gauge, it's the difference between hating someone and being irritated with someone; between saying a thing should be outlawed or that, in polite society, it should never be done.

I'm satisfied that you and I just have a difference of opinion and that you're not trying to insult me. Be well.


Dude......

You need to take it easy and relax. You're attacking some the best and most friendly guys here. It's only a lousy political debate, state your opinion and be satisfied. Surely you understand that we're not all going to go down and storm Pennsylvania avenue tomorrow and overthrow Bush?


No sense it gettin' all twisted up over it.

 - The Ranger



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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 9:11:46 PM   
Gauge


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I'm satisfied that you and I just have a difference of opinion and that you're not trying to insult me. Be well.


Not a problem. I can agree to disagree and live with that.

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RE: Here's My challenge - 3/23/2006 9:15:22 PM   
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 Surely you understand that we're not all going to go down and storm Pennsylvania avenue tomorrow and overthrow Bush? 


We aren't?

WAITER! Check please!

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