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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 2:43:13 PM   
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The bodies haven't even been taken out of the school yet.

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I can't imagine how frantic the parents must be, knowing their little ones are just lying there inside and they can't get to them. Same with the families of the adults, too.

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 2:53:12 PM   
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The bodies haven't even been taken out of the school yet.

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I can't imagine how frantic the parents must be, knowing their little ones are just lying there inside and they can't get to them. Same with the families of the adults, too.


I was about to call some folks at the school I work at and tell them about this, when I realized that ignorance can be bliss sometimes. I wish I had worked til 6 tonight, and still didn't know about it. I am just sickened by the entire thing.

Just typing here, not really saying a thing I suspect.



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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 3:03:55 PM   
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The expression "didn't bat an eye" doesn't *only* mean that a person isn't surprised. It is also used to describe something that would affect somebody so little that they wouldn't even blink.

I'd have to think something that is this horrid would at least sadden them for a moment or two. The bodies haven't even been taken out of the school yet.





His attitude doesnt surprise me, given posts of his in another thread that have made me repeatedly cringe over the last few days.. He is on my Not-Worth-My Time-to-Respond list.. I know its appalling to read his posts but if people stop responding to him, he will cease to have an audience..

Having serious family problems that end with murder/suicide is far too common.. but why murder all those defenceless little kids?

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 3:06:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having worked in areas of crisis and having known my families crisis, gang warfare and loss of life or close to it, the time to fight back and change things, isn't in the moment of first grief. To think because we grieve or have compassion about one event, that we don't have them about another or another kind is rather narrow thinking. To work on the causes and issues at a time like this is as emotionally challenged and off base as over reacting could be seen.

Where's the love, compassion and smarts here? Give it some time. Give others some time. Making a point when people are grieving in some manner, really isn't effective.



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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 3:07:46 PM   
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Having serious family problems that end with murder/suicide is far too common.. but why murder all those defenceless little kids?

I'm going with mental illness of some sort. Rational people don't consider such things. Something wasn't right in the head. In a major way.

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 3:10:33 PM   
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Having worked in areas of crisis and having known my families crisis, gang warfare and loss of life or close to it, the time to fight back and change things, isn't in the moment of first grief. To think because we grieve or have compassion about one event, that we don't have them about another or another kind is rather narrow thinking. To work on the causes and issues at a time like this is as emotionally challenged and off base as over reacting could be seen.

Where's the love, compassion and smarts here? Give it some time. Give others some time. Making a point when people are grieving in some manner, really isn't effective.



I'm figuring everyone has their own reactions to events. There's no right or wrong reaction (unless it's to go out and hurt someone). So if someone's first reaction is to discuss anger and/or solutions, then that's their reaction. I hadn't considered that when I started this thread. So...maybe we can just give energy to the reactions we relate to, and let the others go.

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 3:10:57 PM   
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Having serious family problems that end with murder/suicide is far too common.. but why murder all those defenceless little kids?

I'm going with mental illness of some sort. Rational people don't consider such things. Something wasn't right in the head. In a major way.


Rational people do consider such things and rational people do carry out such things too. Look at 20th century history. It is comforting to blame mental illness on such acts.

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 3:21:36 PM   
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That means that unfortunately, they will pin whatever excuse is convenient to fit the crime as he is no longer alive to interrogate and get to the bottom of it.

Death count stands at 27 as of this moment. :(

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 3:25:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I also suspect that the perpetrator did not suffer from a mental illness - but that is something that had better be discussed in another thread.

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 3:28:32 PM   
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I also suspect that the perpetrator did not suffer from a mental illness - but that is something that had better be discussed in another thread.


Why?

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 3:32:50 PM   
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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 3:41:34 PM   
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I can understand how someone from outside of the U.S. could not be quite so affected by this story. I know I've heard of story upon story of tragedies all over the world, to young and old, for years,...and I didn't cry all afternoon for those lost. While I agree that just because something can be said doesn't mean it should be said, ... I don't know that it's fair to jump all over someone just because that person has a distance that some of us don't have or feel.

I think the the "close to home" part is more metaphorical than geographical. It's hard for me to identify with a crowded school room in another country. I would certainly be sad for tragedies that happen, but it wouldn't rock my core like this one has. Here, it's more because so many of us have children, and we drop our children off at school - out of our hands - consider them safe - and it's the same for all of us. This could have just as easily been my town, your town, or any other town in America. It's all too easy to see that, to sense our vulnerability, when it's not happening "somewhere else."

While I am sad - so terribly sad - for these families, I will admit that my thought is of my own child, and my tears come when I imagine what her fear would have been. In that respect...it is much too close to home. But no, I don't expect everyone to feel that way and I think - short of more senseless tragedy - everyone's individual reaction is appropriate.

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 3:47:49 PM   
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I think the the "close to home" part is more metaphorical than geographical.


Hmmm.. since this is in reference to what I have posted, I will respond.

Close to home means people with children.... people with nieces/nephews/grandchildren/kids they babysit/neighbor kids/kids they coach/kids they teach/pretty much many people who have kids in their lives at all.

If someone mistook that as meaning just geographical, I cannot account for the intelligence, or the lack of, in that person.

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 3:53:51 PM   
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I think the the "close to home" part is more metaphorical than geographical.


Hmmm.. since this is in reference to what I have posted, I will respond.

Close to home means people with children.... people with nieces/nephews/grandchildren/kids they babysit/neighbor kids/kids they coach/kids they teach/pretty much many people who have kids in their lives at all.

If someone mistook that as meaning just geographical, I cannot account for the intelligence, or the lack of, in that person.



No, I wasn't thinking that you meant it geographically. I just used it as a segue from talking about someone living outside of the U.S. to talking about feeling it so strongly because I can identify on more than a geographical level.

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 3:59:20 PM   
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While I am sad - so terribly sad - for these families, I will admit that my thought is of my own child, and my tears come when I imagine what her fear would have been. In that respect...it is much too close to home. But no, I don't expect everyone to feel that way and I think - short of more senseless tragedy - everyone's individual reaction is appropriate.

I've said a handful of times over the years - on threads here and to friends and family offline - I really struggle when I see/read/hear of injustice/abuse/crimes against children, animals and the elderly, because they are the most vulnerable and defenseless. When it happens in large masses, those emotions hit me even harder. My level of empathy is such that it can actually make me feel nauseous.

But that's my reaction. I agree with you - everyone's individual reaction is what it is, and appropriate. Assuming they're also not going out and doing harm.

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 4:04:26 PM   
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I was also empathetic towards those involved.

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 4:09:13 PM   
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Obviously, a killing like this would be horrific no matter where it happened.

But somehow I was struck by the fact that it happened a town away from my brother and his incredible kids, one of whom used to play soccer in Newtown.

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 4:14:17 PM   
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He sent it to all of the faculty at our school.


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Today’s events within our nation have truly shocked our sensibilities. As I write this note, the horrible tragedy in Connecticut is still unfolding. We all feel such a deep pain and try to search for understanding, but there really is no way to understand.



I am reminded of what my parents always taught me. There are two kinds of people. The one kind includes the majority of people. These are the people who seek opportunities to bring joy and happiness to those around them; seeking to do whatever they can to improve life for others. Unfortunately, there is another kind of people who will create turmoil and tragedy wherever they go. People who make decisions without regard of how it will impact those around them are just beyond my mind’s capability to understand. It is so hard to make sense out of tragedies that are just totally senseless.



I encourage you to continue to search for the good in the world, to appreciate the blessings that we have each day, and to support each other in difficult times. Please keep the families affected by these tragedies in your thoughts and prayers. They surely need our support.



Please know how much I love and appreciate each and every one of you. You are my heroes!

Hug your families tight tonight.

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 4:31:48 PM   
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24 year old gunman shot up the classroom that his mother taught, at a Newton, CT elementary school. 26 killed, including 18 children. Mother was shot and killed, gunman was shot and killed.

It's not often news stories make me cry, but this one did.


One of my employees was just talking this morning about that "did you hear"....Oregon gig....and as he's telling me this....the screen lights up with this Connecticut thing....WTF?????

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RE: Connecticut shooting at elementary school - 12/14/2012 4:32:11 PM   
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have these deaths some special significance?


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