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Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 12:31:25 PM   
Emmmrld


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My best friend is divorced now. She met her ex husband at a play party and it was instant chemistry. He was dom, she was sub. Their kinks were the same. Their story sounded like something you'd see in a movie.

Editor's Note: They met in REAL LIFE. They didn't get married right away - after several years of being together.

They were engaged to be married when she turned out to be that 1% that gets pregnant on the pill. So they just eloped. Happy, she thought. They had a leather business out of their home, she was married, going to have a family, and he was kinky.

She was shocked to find he was hiding the mail from her. Mail from her grandparents, bills etc. His 'excuse' was that he was the Dom and he should be in control of everything. He was in charge of the finances. If she ever had cash on her he would take it from her. At some point she realized that this wasn't 'right'. She had no idea if the bills where paid, or how much was in the account to buy stuff for the baby.

She and I would talk about her leaving him. She was hiding money and actually was planning on it when she caught him throwing out a big box of mail one day. Mail for the past 6 months he'd been hiding. He wasn't paying the bills. She decided to stay and try to work it out.

A month after that the police arrived at her house one morning to take him into custody. He was wanted for over $10,000 in check fraud. He was writing checks on a closed account. At that point she decided to leave him. He pulled every victimizing trick in the book to get her to stay. He spent a year away. What also came out in all that was that he had priors of the same nature but on a national level. She didn't know anything about it.

Here she had a baby, no income, bills so backed up that electricity and water were going to be shut off. On top of it all at one point he had her sign a couple of checks because he had forgotten his ID so she signed them. The DA had a case pending against her. Now that would mean their baby would go to CPS. She made a deal so they wouldn't bring charges.

He came back after time served. She proceeded with the divorce. He tried to stop her at every turn. Trying to be a good parent she wouldn't talk badly about him infront of their child. They shared custody.

Well it wasn't long until he was up to no good again. This time he took their daughter's social security number to open credit accounts to start a leather business. Six months after that she discovered that he had been molesting their daughter. In addition to the molestation charges he has more check fraud charges wiating to be tried for after the molestation charges.

Her view point is that had she done a background check on him she would have known he had a record and could have made a decision to proceed or not from there. She wouldn't have taken the realtionship further had she known of his previous check fraud charges. Her opinion is that if you are in a committed relationship that is heading some place you should do a background check on him. She also feels that you should be up front about it and offer your information as well.

So my questions to you folks are:

What do you think of background checks?
Do you think that they are needed in "dating" today?
When do you think it is a good idea to do such at thing?
If you wouldn't do a background check why?


Emerald :)


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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 12:39:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Emmmrld

My best friend is divorced now. She met her ex husband at a play party and it was instant chemistry. He was dom, she was sub. Their kinks were the same. Their story sounded like something you'd see in a movie.

They were engaged to be married when she turned out to be that 1% that gets pregnant on the pill. So they just eloped. Happy, she thought. They had a leather business out of their home, she was married, going to have a family, and he was kinky.

She was shocked to find he was hiding the mail from her. Mail from her grandparents, bills etc. His 'excuse' was that he was the Dom and he should be in control of everything. He was in charge of the finances. If she ever had cash on her he would take it from her. At some point she realized that this wasn't 'right'. She had no idea if the bills where paid, or how much was in the account to buy stuff for the baby.

She and I would talk about her leaving him. She was hiding money and actually was planning on it when she caught him throwing out a big box of mail one day. Mail for the past 6 months he'd been hiding. He wasn't paying the bills. She decided to stay and try to work it out.

A month after that the police arrived at her house one morning to take him into custody. He was wanted for over $10,000 in check fraud. He was writing checks on a closed account. At that point she decided to leave him. He pulled every victimizing trick in the book to get her to stay. He spent a year away. What also came out in all that was that he had priors of the same nature but on a national level. She didn't know anything about it.

Here she had a baby, no income, bills so backed up that electricity and water were going to be shut off. On top of it all at one point he had her sign a couple of checks because he had forgotten his ID so she signed them. The DA had a case pending against her. Now that would mean their baby would go to CPS. She made a deal so they wouldn't bring charges.

He came back after time served. She proceeded with the divorce. He tried to stop her at every turn. Trying to be a good parent she wouldn't talk badly about him infront of their child. They shared custody.

Well it wasn't long until he was up to no good again. This time he took their daughter's social security number to open credit accounts to start a leather business. Six months after that she discovered that he had been molesting their daughter. In addition to the molestation charges he has more check fraud charges wiating to be tried for after the molestation charges.

Her view point is that had she done a background check on him she would have known he had a record and could have made a decision to proceed or not from there. She wouldn't have taken the realtionship further had she known of his previous check fraud charges. Her opinion is that if you are in a committed relationship that is heading some place you should do a background check on him. She also feels that you should be up front about it and offer your information as well.

So my questions to you folks are:

What do you think of background checks?
Do you think that they are needed in "dating" today?
When do you think it is a good idea to do such at thing?
If you wouldn't do a background check why?


Emerald :)



The same thing can happen in vanilla relationships.
I think spending an adequate amount of time with someone is the way you start seeing the skeletons in the closet if there are any. You see how a person treats his friends and family. You see what parts of their past are catching up. You see how they react in a time of crisis. If you don't take time, you are taking risks.

Also, a lot of people in those early stages of lust an infatuation wouldn't be swayed by a background check anyway. So the guy admits yeah -- he had a problem. But it's all in the past. Excuses, excuses. Plenty of people would just say ohh -- ok, he's changed. Still doesn't mean anything.

I think the only way you can really know a person is to know them. Spend time together and see what kind of a past he has. That's another big problem with online relationships that seem to be GREAT online and on the phone -- almost magical. You think you know someone SO WELL because you havec 5 or 6 hour phone calls and talk about EVERYTHING. But the big, huge piece of the puzzle that is missing is real life chemistry -- and even more importantly -- how does this person relate to others in a group? How does he treat his mother? How does he treat his family? How does he act in a group of 10 people who are obnoxious? How does he react when the car breaks down in the middle of the night? How does he treat a homeless person? How does he respond to a child selling cookies at his front door? What does his best friend say about him? Who are his friends? Does he have friends?

No matter how magical someone can seem up front, there's always much more.

Akasha
(who had an online relationship 3 yrs and married 3 months after meeting in real life -- magically).





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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 12:40:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Emmmrld
So my questions to you folks are:

What do you think of background checks?

There are there for a reason, but you have to know what you are looking for.
quote:


Do you think that they are needed in "dating" today?

No, the reality is that she knew he was bad news way at the beginning. She didn't need a background check to tell her that. Perhaps it would have given her permission to leave the relationship rather than hanging around, but it didn't tell her anything more than she was already living every day.

If you want to use them, go for it.
quote:


When do you think it is a good idea to do such at thing?

When you're going to buy a large purchase or go into business together.
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If you wouldn't do a background check why?

If I felt I NEEDED to do a check on someone, I just wouldn't be involved with them.

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 12:57:36 PM   
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Thanks for writing.

Interesting.

They never met on line. They met in real life. She was with him for several years before even getting pregnant. She didn't see a sign.


Thanks again for your input!

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 12:59:31 PM   
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Actually no she didn't know at the begining ...

It's not like they had sex and she got preggers right away.

They dated for several years before she got pregnant.

When he finally started, MANY years later, showing who he was was when she decided to leave.


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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 1:04:25 PM   
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Background checks have saved me many a heartache and in some cases I should have done them much sooner. Please don't take offense but is is Naive to say if "If I felt I NEEDED to do a check on someone, I just wouldn't be involved with them. " Many a wise and intuitive person has trusted thier feelings and been taken advantage of. Nothing clouds ones judegment as much as feelings.

Checking a person out can be done on many levels. If they say they know certain people, I call and check, if they say they work certain places I verify that. But having been masterfully decieved by a professional con-man in the past. I can tell you there are those who will go to great lengths to cover up lies and fabricate false identities. In the end, what saved me from what would have been an even worse nightmare was doing a simple background check to verify what turned out to be a fictious military record. (Countrary to popular belief you can't fake being a Navy Seal). Once I Found that to be erroneious, I started attempting to verify other information, Some of which turned out to be factual and some not.. Those who use others, often keep close to the truth so thier lies are easier. What ended up my saving grace, was having him followed, a doing a criminal & Civil background check. Www. publicdata.com is a great place to start. For me, it is woth the money to spare the heartache and hurt. I highly recommend it. I warn everyone up front.. everything you say or do will be subject to verification.

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 3:02:30 PM   
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quote:

What do you think of background checks?
Do you think that they are needed in "dating" today?
When do you think it is a good idea to do such at thing?
If you wouldn't do a background check why?


I have to somewhat agree with what other's have said. In my opinion if you are starting a relationship with someone there should be honesty. If not, then no need to start one at all. Yet, at the same time say the person you are starting this relationship tells you they have been convicted of a criminal offense. For myself, that is when I did the check. I was not starting a vanilla relationship I was starting a BDSM relationship.
For me the difference is life and death. I am giving him my life to keep me alive or kill me.
As opposed to walking away whenever I wish. So, when it is my life. My life is paramount. My current dom was convicted of a misdemeanor when he was 18. He told me about it. A favor from an FBI agent friend of mine told me that was all he had been convicted of.
Should I have checked? I think so, it eased my mind to be able to proceed further into the relationship.
Do, I believe all should. Well I don't know I guess it would determine the circumstances at the time.
You also have to understand people like the Slavemaster, he was clean until he was caught with 13? dead bodies in cans. So, you have to use your own judgement as well.
Listen to your brain and not your heart. Your heart only sets you up for failure. Don't listen to hormones.
I guess I'm in favor of them at the right time and place. Although I do believe in a perfect world you should not need them at all.

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 5:06:11 PM   
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quote:

quote: Do you think that they are needed in "dating" today?


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No, the reality is that she knew he was bad news way at the beginning. She didn't need a background check to tell her that. Perhaps it would have given her permission to leave the relationship rather than hanging around, but it didn't tell her anything more than she was already living every day.


Out of sheer curiosity, I would love to know how you devined that she knew way at the beginning he was bad news.

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 6:45:32 PM   
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I think the only way you can really know a person is to know them. Spend time together and see what kind of a past he has. That's another big problem with online relationships that seem to be GREAT online and on the phone -- almost magical. You think you know someone SO WELL because you havec 5 or 6 hour phone calls and talk about EVERYTHING. But the big, huge piece of the puzzle that is missing is real life chemistry -- and even more importantly -- how does this person relate to others in a group? How does he treat his mother? How does he treat his family? How does he act in a group of 10 people who are obnoxious? How does he react when the car breaks down in the middle of the night? How does he treat a homeless person? How does he respond to a child selling cookies at his front door? What does his best friend say about him? Who are his friends? Does he have friends?


This is why I prefer to meet in person at a coffee shop or something, but people get so worked up about it because they feel that I'm "pushy" because I prefer to meet in real-life. The reason I prefer to meet in person instead of endless chit-chat online and phone talk is exactly for the reasons listed above! I could spend forever and a day emailing someone and still not be able to find out what kind of person they really are because I can't observe their body language, their voice inflection, how they treat others, how they deal with the world, etc.

But hey, I've been on the net for 20 years and I've seen all kinds of bullshit play out in email and chat. I'm looking for real, honest-to-dog persons and not an ephemeral digital fantasy. I'll always prefer meeting someone for coffee over chat.

If people are so frightened of the real world that they want to hide in their digital cocoon, then that's their problem.

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 6:50:35 PM   
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You also have to understand people like the Slavemaster, he was clean until he was caught with 13? dead bodies in cans.


Is this some sort of urban legend or are you referring to a specific incident?

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 6:52:25 PM   
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Background checks have saved me many a heartache and in some cases I should have done them much sooner.


I have no problem if someone wants to do a background check on me. If they asked me for permission, I would encourage them to do so.

I don't know that I've ever been involved with someone to the point where I thought a background check was necessary, but if I had doubts and I was interested for the serious and long-term future, I would get one.

Generally my bullshit detector goes off WAY before background checks are necessary.

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 8:01:01 PM   
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Is this some sort of urban legend or are you referring to a specific incident?


Actually people get killed and blame the lifestyle almost daily in this country. The reason I used slavemaster is because it happened to make national attention.

I feel if you want to dabble in this lifestyle you should know the pro's and con's. Understandably everyone obey's their hormones and no common sense.

However slavemaster is very real.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/robinson/

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 9:48:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dom4shaved

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You also have to understand people like the Slavemaster, he was clean until he was caught with 13? dead bodies in cans.


Is this some sort of urban legend or are you referring to a specific incident?




Several years ago there was a man on line who went by the nick name Slavemaster. He was luring women to come visit him. Be submissive to him. He was killing them and disposing of them in metal drums. It was a big news story.

It re-inforces the system of safe calls, meeting in public places, having personal information about who you are meeting.


Hope that helps.

Em

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 11:01:02 PM   
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Wondering?
This may be a place to look.
www.zabasearch.com


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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/9/2005 11:07:55 PM   
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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/10/2005 3:31:44 AM   
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I think all people should have some form of backup, no matter the relationship they are entering (whether D/S or vanilla).

1. When you meet the guy (or girl, however it just seems to happen less with a dom female than a male - correct me if I am wrong), make sure someone knows who you are meeting and when you are going and when you are expected back. Maybe a call the next morning to check would help. If you're not to be found - they should check and call the cops THEN AND THERE - no waiting for a few days to SEE IF SHE TURNS UP!
2. Ensure a safe word. He MUST stop doing anything IMMEDIATELY when you say the word (and untie you etc). And the first time he seems to be not listening, you should leave, and DON'T LOOK BACK.
3. Keep at least a little money in a separate bank account. Even if he says he's in charge of money etc. you should know that you can leave with some money in your hand. Don't sign cheques for his bills. If you prefer, keep a joint account, and put some of your money in there and some of his. But DON'T put all your money NO MATTER WHAT!
4. If you ever feel afraid/scared/alone/uncared for LEAVE. May not need to always be permanent. But REMEMBER that you have one card always up your sleeve. It's YOUR LIFE and you can do whatever you want. You don't need to feel forced to do ANYTHING you don't want.

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/10/2005 5:27:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Emmmrld

It re-inforces the system of safe calls, meeting in public places, having personal information about who you are meeting.


Hope that helps.

Em

Well they had personal information obviously, they knew where he lived.

I don't know how it reinforces the system of safe calls- except that perhaps they would have found the bodies a little sooner.

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/10/2005 5:32:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sinnah
1. When you meet the guy (or girl, however it just seems to happen less with a dom female than a male - correct me if I am wrong), make sure someone knows who you are meeting and when you are going and when you are expected back. Maybe a call the next morning to check would help. If you're not to be found - they should check and call the cops THEN AND THERE - no waiting for a few days to SEE IF SHE TURNS UP!

Yeah when I grew up it was just good manners to let someone know where you were going and about when you would be back. However, I've seen people do really stupid things with this, like using an internet friend who lives across the country as their "safe call." Sheesh.

Plus, more than once a meeting has turned into an overnight and they should be prepared for that. I go with the "do what a reasonable independent adult would normally do" method.
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2. Ensure a safe word. He MUST stop doing anything IMMEDIATELY when you say the word (and untie you etc). And the first time he seems to be not listening, you should leave, and DON'T LOOK BACK.

Which would be kinda hard if you were tied up...safe words don't keep you safe from anything. If the top is psycho, it's kinda too late at that point.
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3. Keep at least a little money in a separate bank account. Even if he says he's in charge of money etc. you should know that you can leave with some money in your hand. Don't sign cheques for his bills. If you prefer, keep a joint account, and put some of your money in there and some of his. But DON'T put all your money NO MATTER WHAT!

Why would someone do this on a first date anyway?
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4. If you ever feel afraid/scared/alone/uncared for LEAVE. May not need to always be permanent. But REMEMBER that you have one card always up your sleeve. It's YOUR LIFE and you can do whatever you want. You don't need to feel forced to do ANYTHING you don't want.

I think this is good sense, and something that vanillas do also. After all, why stick around for a first date that is going this badly?

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/10/2005 7:30:40 AM   
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Wondering?
This may be a place to look.
www.zabasearch.com


Or you could follow the link I posted in the earlier message to his trial coverage.

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RE: Back Ground Checks - 5/10/2005 8:21:36 AM   
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Is this some sort of urban legend or are you referring to a specific incident?


This really happened, and it was on National News.

L

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