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Just joined and - 5/9/2005 1:38:02 PM   
McWhips


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Status: offline 		Did a search for straight Dommes between 18 and 40 in UK. The results where very dissapointing indeed. Basically lots of ads that read like: Im looking for a loyal slave for an ongoing relationship he must give me tribute once a week' What I dont understand is this is quite clearly a prostitution arrangment so whats the point? lol.
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RE: Just joined and - 5/9/2005 2:41:23 PM   
sub4hire


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quote:

Did a search for straight Dommes between 18 and 40 in UK. The results where very dissapointing indeed. Basically lots of ads that read like: Im looking for a loyal slave for an ongoing relationship he must give me tribute once a week' What I dont understand is this is quite clearly a prostitution arrangment so whats the point


About the same as this post. What's your point? Don't talk to those whom you do not want to. Talk to those you do.

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RE: Just joined and - 5/9/2005 5:31:50 PM   
SecretDomme


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Status: offline 		Unless sex is involved, it's not prostitution.

Be well,
Julie

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RE: Just joined and - 5/9/2005 5:34:19 PM   
Jasmyn


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Status: offline 		Yes .. quite clearly it is ... assemble them all at once and I'll administer a spanking.

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 6:40:38 AM   
McWhips


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Status: offline 		SecretDomme what the hell are you going on about? of course its prostitution, there are many people out there who are almost entirely sexually driven by being Sub or Domme.

Just cos one isnt actually penetrating doensnt mean thats the be all and end all of all acts known as sex, Its offensive to suggest its not prostitution as that implies people are strange and not sexually motived by BDSM.

What if a man is greatly turned on by footworship to the extent it is more sexually arousing than actual penetration? Its another version of sex and BDSM for money is the BDSM version of Vanilla prostition!

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 7:01:47 AM   
ProtagonistLily


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SecretDomme what the hell are you going on about? of course its prostitution, there are many people out there who are almost entirely sexually driven by being Sub or Domme.

Just cos one isnt actually penetrating doensnt mean thats the be all and end all of all acts known as sex, Its offensive to suggest its not prostitution as that implies people are strange and not sexually motived by BDSM.

What if a man is greatly turned on by footworship to the extent it is more sexually arousing than actual penetration? Its another version of sex and BDSM for money is the BDSM version of Vanilla prostition!


YAWN.....it's far to early to be this bored.

Clearly, you have a problem differentiating kink activities from sexual activities. That is your problem, not ours.

If you'd kindly wake up and smell the Earl Grey, you'd realize that you sound rather foolish here. And your relative outrage outs you as rather uneducated about the lifestyle.

Believe it or not ~gasp~ often people engage in BDSM activity with no sex involved. Therefore, your indignant little outburst vis a vis prostitiution just makes you look silly.

Lily

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 8:27:31 AM   
darkinshadows


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Not all submission is sexual, just like all sex isn't about submission. It's just a result for some. It really comes down to whether you view submission as a part of who you are, or whether its a fetish you get your rocks off over. Tributes can be another form of fetish - as a female(even submissive female), I get lots of mail from submissive males offering tribute... it is just something you have to knock on the head and ignore if it isn't for you. Prostitution is an act for hire - tributes are an offering in acknowledging ones submission - huge difference.

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 9:22:03 AM   
McWhips


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Status: offline 		Im sorry about this I really am but Im afraid that 99% of men who pay for Domination do it for the sexual thrill due to the fact it turns them on.

PLease dont offend submissives by suggesting that they are pain for pains sake freaks and dont do it for sexual reasons.

Proffesional Domination is a form of Prostitution just its the BDSM version. I dont think it fair to say its not, while Pro Dommes will often degrade conventional Prostitutes by comparing themsleves to them. This also is not fair at all to them.

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 9:24:02 AM   
McWhips


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Status: offline 		So if its not prostitution then what is it if a man is not that exited by sex and just wants to serve and be dominated? does that mean its not a real relatioship too?

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 9:42:43 AM   
darkinshadows


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Thats your experience, fine - it isn't how I hear it from alot of male slaves and submissives.

Not all subs/slaves use BDSM as a sexual release - and especially not all the time - otherwise you would only get subs submitting when they are horny - and it just doesn't work like that.

There are sex slaves.
There are service slaves.
There are tribute slaves.

ETCETCETC...

Not all slaves /subs do stuff for sex. But some do. If anyone is offensive, it would be yourself making assumptions by groups all subs/slaves together. But then, I wouldn't dream of accusing you at all...

Think how you wish, your choice to call tributes prostitution. If that is the case, then buying any gift for anyone is prostitution. I choose not to see it that way. You can't force your opinion on anyone - its personal labels. I view Tribute Dominias as beautiful people in their own right - I view Prostitutes as worthy individuals doing what they have to do - I wouldn't degrade anyone for their choice... it would be condecending to do so - that called generalization.

Your submission is different to anothers submission - doesn't make yours better, doesn't make the other person wrong, just makes your submission right for you and if your comfortable with that - good for you. But ultimately, self opinion is just that - and not to be forced on everyone else.

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 10:23:39 AM   
McWhips


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Status: offline 		OK so its paying someone for a relationship! whatever that may be, still just as pointless! Would YOU pay for a relationship of any kind? or do you like to have real freinds?

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 10:27:08 AM   
McWhips


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Status: offline 		Cmon lets face it, there are plenty of women out there who are broke and have to make money Somehow!!!

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 10:28:43 AM   
McWhips


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Status: offline 		Fuk it! I want tributes from Dommes for me to serve them! that fair isnt it? its the same treatment isnt it ?

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 10:29:18 AM   
McWhips


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Status: offline 		lol

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 10:30:58 AM   
McWhips


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Joined: 5/9/2005
Status: offline 		I have to admit that many of the women on these places are vile! (not all of them) but I dont really see people who do things on financial terms maruading Vanilla personal sites! ITs enough to make you think money SHOULD be an accepted part of BDSM and thats all its about!!! lol.

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 10:42:51 AM   
SirKenin


Posts: 2994
Joined: 10/31/2004
From: Barrie, ON Canada
Status: offline 		you know, for someone who has just made their grand entrance into Collarme.com, and it appears BDSM in general, it is not a very good one. All you are doing is trolling to pick a fight. I am truly beginning to wonder if you really are in the scene at all, or just here to cause trouble.

Anyways, just in case I am mistaken and you fall into the former category as opposed to the latter, I have NEVER run into ANYONE that is in the scene for the money. W/we are here because it is either who W/we were born to be or who W/we learned to become. There may be some twisted nuts out there that are looking to cash in on the whole deal. you can not paint E/everyone with the same brush. you should be smarter than that.

In the vanilla world, there are PLENTY of people that try to cash in on the sex craze. Porn, strip clubs, massage parlors, hookers, whore houses. The sex industry in the vanilla world is a multibillion dollar industry. It only stands to reason that there will be a percentage in the scene that are going to try and cash in on sexuality as well. Think about it. This is (besides your obvious post count and malicious thread) what is making Me think you are nothing short of a troll.

The scene is sensuality. The scene is sexuality. The scene is control and role playing. Whatever your flavor, there will be a percentage that will want to make some money off it. Get used to it and perhaps take your trolling somewhere else.

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 11:17:53 AM   
McWhips


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Status: offline 		Yeh your right ken.

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 11:19:34 AM   
McWhips


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Status: offline 		I dont even know what Im doing on this site seeing as much of it seems to be the sex industry and thats not what Im looking for. bye!

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 11:31:31 AM   
BeachMystress


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From: Naples Island- Long Beach CA - Southern California
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The point is that we lifestyle Domme are rare. You're part of a group that is tediously large. You bother and bug and whine and moan about how submissive you are and how you want to have a Domme, when what most of you really want is to have your kinky relationship your way. The few lifestyle Domme out there are going to select the cream of the crop. They're not likely to take a whining newbie with no clue what D/s is really about. Your attitude towards things marks you as very undesirable and any Domme in England who has read this thread has laughed to themselves and moved on. You're rude, abusive, judgemental and crass. Untill you mature and gain a better perspective/attitude you are doomed to frustration.

I'm even going to bother to give you an insight into BDSM.. while it has some sexual elements and is sometimes sensual in nature, if you're in it for the sex, you're missing the point. A submissive is there to satisfy/please/serve the Dominant in whatever way the Dominant desires. If the Dominant wants sex, wonderful.. more power to them. A lot of times what my sub does has not a jot to do with sex or being turned on. He washes my car, cooks my dinner, cleans the house, opens doors for me, carries my bags, fetches what I want from the other room and such. He doesn't do those things because we'll be having sex later on.. he does them because it pleases me. He likes making me happy, serving me and making my life easier. There is more to being a sub than being the one who is tied up and getting flogged or having a strap on rammed up their butt.

You should be grateful that those tribute Domme exist, because as it stands now, they are your best bet for getting any sort of ongoing domination. While you may find a Lifestyle Domme who will give you a chance, at this point it is unlikely that you're capbale of sustaining a D/s relationship since you have so little clue what it is all about.

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RE: Just joined and - 5/10/2005 11:34:54 AM   
perverseangelic


Posts: 2625
Joined: 2/2/2004
From: Davis, Ca
Status: offline 		You are paying professional dominants for a service. ~shrug~ If it doesn't work for you, don't do it.

It doesn't work for me. I want a realtionship with my dominant partner.

That said, that isn't what some people want. Some people are in it for sexual thrill, as you said, or for a temporary respite from their lives. To that end, they seek someone who can provide that service. Just as they'd go to a massage therapist for that kind of service. Would you say a massage therapist is a prostitute? Massage invovles hands over the entire body, and could be construed as a sexual act.

Sure, there are -tons- of sexual acts that don't invovle PIV or PIA or PIM penetration or any permutation of penetration/genital contact at all. However, under -law- they aren't prostitution. If you choose to view professional domination as prostutition, heck, go for it! However, don't badmouth those who don't view it in such a light.

I'm, personally, not a fan of "tribute" mistresses/masters, simply because financial dominantion isn't a kink for me. I see this as VERY different from pro-domination. In my veiw, one pays a professional for a service, so in essence, the professional is doing what the submissive person wants. One gives service to a financial dominant because the service pleases them. I dunno, maybe that's a weird view.

Still, though, if you don't like it, but it isn't hurt you or someone else, ignore it!


I can say with some assurance that a large percentage of power-exchange people aren't invovled in the sex industry. You don't seem to have read the message boards very much, because you'll see that many of us do the relationship thing. Yup, many of us are also professionals.

Re: getting tribute from dominant people
Go for it!!! If you can get a mistress to give you tribute for serving her, more power to you. This one is a supply and demand thing, though, so I doubt you'll have much luck.

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