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FelinePersuasion -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:08:58 AM)
It was supposed to be funny commentary. quote: ORIGINAL: gothicdiva First and foremost, that wasn't any sort of ENDORSEMENT for them. I could have used the name of any fast food restaurant. I don't even there often either, but that is not the point. I just used them as an example. And, if you want to discuss them and their over-pricing, I suggest you start ANOTHER thread. M. Diva

hisannabelle -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:10:24 AM)
greetings all, just out of curiosity, for all of you who are protesting "but i'm only talking about the LAZY fat people!" - what is wrong with someone being fat because they are lazy? it's not YOUR body. why do you care so much? do you go up and give speeches to smokers when you pass them on the street? why do you consider it YOUR business? annabelle.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:10:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hisannabelle yes, but an oddball does kind of destroy all the generalizations people feel the need to perpetrate. No they don't, exceptions tend to prove the rule. Denial, depression and deception (excuse making) are the hallmarks of addicts. Enabling only fosters a deeper addiction.

hisannabelle -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:11:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: hisannabelle yes, but an oddball does kind of destroy all the generalizations people feel the need to perpetrate. No they don't, exceptions tend to prove the rule. Denial, depression and deception (excuse making) are the hallmarks of addicts. Enabling only fosters a deeper addiction. are all these platitudes about addiction making you feel any better? what is this, intervention? exactly HOW is the exception proving the rule in this case? annabelle.

Hottiegurl -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:12:56 AM)
Ok, I have some problems with weight, but I have more in other areas that are pushing my buttons now. I need to go to the health club and stomp some lbs. out. I may even get a few minor miffs out here too. I was leaving a nice note to someone here. Told him to have fun out there. Not saying I was really interested in him. He decided to be cruel he called me"fat and older than Zeus' shit". It would have been just as well if he had said no thanks. In this day and age, you would think that this type of cruelty on these sites would be gone. As for age, I know more and do more than I ever did when I was in my 20's or 30's.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:15:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hisannabelle why do you care so much? do you go up and give speeches to smokers when you pass them on the street? Ummmm... yes they do! Society at a better than 80% clip is telling smokers where and when they can and cannot smoke! I bet some of the same had wringing BBW's who demand they be allowed to eat what they want to eat are also demanding smoking be stoped everwhere,

hisannabelle -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:16:39 AM)
fatdomdaddy, my point is, we have a few new fat threads a week, but nobody's chastising posters who smoke. no one is walking up to smokers on the street and making rude gestures, telling them how to live their lives, calling them ugly names, etc. those of you who might speak out about what a crime against humanity fatness is here would never go up to a smoking stranger and take a cigarette out of their hand. annabelle.

merrysbrat -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:16:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hisannabelle greetings all, just out of curiosity, for all of you who are protesting "but i'm only talking about the LAZY fat people!" - what is wrong with someone being fat because they are lazy? it's not YOUR body. why do you care so much? do you go up and give speeches to smokers when you pass them on the street? why do you consider it YOUR business? annabelle. Because the more it becomes socially acceptable, the more it will happen, which is not good for anyone. You could say the same thing about smokers, in general, when it becomes socially acceptable for them to smoke wherever they want and get mad when someone asks them to put it out (which some do) then there will in turn, ne more smokers.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:19:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hisannabelle quote: ORIGINAL: merrysbrat Regardless, the point is these discussions seem to hinge on the 10% or less of the population(fattened up by disease, or treatment for disease) and not the 90%, which are completely self-inflicted fat. An odd ball fact doesn't destroy a general rule. Thank you. yes, but an oddball does kind of destroy all the generalizations people feel the need to perpetrate. annabelle. I'm curious, since no rule is universal, then are you suggesting that nothing can be discussed in general terms? As in something like. The fat epidemic is caused by diet. Must one write, The fat epidemic is caused by diet, exclusing those suffereing, from disease and or the effects of drugs taken to treat those diseases. In addition it is not conclusively shown that the mere presents of greater amounts of fat necessarily directly relates to declined health, just in 95%+ of the cases. Though these current observations are still under study and may be prone to future analysis. LOL. That would make for some long replies. Why not just speak in general terms when speaking of "groups" of people, and speak of individual causes when speaking of individuals. It would seem to be a more effcient manner of covering most of the bases, of any particular conversation. So, if I'm talking about BBW's then it's general averages of facts relating to Large Women. If I'm talking of an indvidual BBW then obviously you'd just speak of that case only. I really don't understand why when a "GROUP" of people is referred to it seems the inclination of each member of the "GROUP" to demand the facts be based around them. See the difference. It's like "The US's GDP has risen increased prosperity is on the rise". That's true of the group called the US, but it may not be true of the individual US citizen, none the less that fact can lead to a general discussion excluding oddball individual occurences. It seems everyone must make everything about their individual circumstances.

hisannabelle -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:24:21 AM)
what can i say, i think the world revolves around me ;) i am not saying that it's impossible to speak in general terms, only that it's stupid to do so when you actually want to sit down and talk about an issue like this. you cannot sit down and try to talk about the obesity epidemic, or fat acceptance, without taking in ALL the factors, and that's not just limited to laziness and overeating. annabelle.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:25:02 AM)
That is how the exception proves the rule. Thanks Need.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:28:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hisannabelle ... you cannot sit down and try to talk about the obesity epidemic, or fat acceptance, without taking in ALL the factors, and that's not just limited to laziness and overeating. 95% + of the obesity problem in America is due to a poor diet and personal inactivity. Sorry to burst your bubble but because America is rich, America is fat and lazy.

merrysbrat -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:28:34 AM)
But annabelle, all I've heard from you is in the defense of BBW's that for various reasons cannot lose weight. It seems to be the only people you want to talk about. I've heard several people on here explain that this generalization does not include women like that, but I have yet to hear someone from the other side of the debate admit that some people (not just women) are fat, plain and simple because of poor diet and laziness.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:32:17 AM)
I got to 500lbs by gluttony and sloth... aka, I was fat and lazy. I lost over 200 of that by diet (for the first 150) and then diet and excersize.

hisannabelle -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:33:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: merrysbrat But annabelle, all I've heard from you is in the defense of BBW's that for various reasons cannot lose weight. It seems to be the only people you want to talk about. I've heard several people on here explain that this generalization does not include women like that, but I have yet to hear someone from the other side of the debate admit that some people (not just women) are fat, plain and simple because of poor diet and laziness. some people are. are you happy now? yes, i'll be the first person to say it. many of those people are in my family, although poverty has a lot more to do with it (for most of the overweight people in my family). i've met others who are, quite simply, lazy. however, as someone who has had disproportionate (to most people's) contact with the eating disorder and chronic pain/illness community, MOST of the overweight people i know personally happen to fall into the category i am talking about. this is simply because the circles i run in are different from some people's. what i am saying is that i think it is wrong to tell people it is unacceptable to believe they are beautiful or love their bodies because they do not fit a specific ideal of health or weight. i have yet to see anyone explain to me exactly how i should go about losing weight and exactly why it's unacceptable for me to be happy with my body exactly as it is. you and fatdomdaddy have repeatedly jumped on my other posts, but no one bothered responding to that one. i wonder why. i have yet to see anyone say, "yes, there are legitimate reasons for someone to be overweight, no, those are not excuses, and yes, overweight people should have positive self-image and self-esteem." annabelle.

merrysbrat -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:34:46 AM)
Same with me, I'm fatter than I'd like because I'm lazy and used to eat bad, which is exactly why I don't flaunt my weight around. It's nothing for me to be proud of.

hisannabelle -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:35:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: hisannabelle ... you cannot sit down and try to talk about the obesity epidemic, or fat acceptance, without taking in ALL the factors, and that's not just limited to laziness and overeating. 95% + of the obesity problem in America is due to a poor diet and personal inactivity. Sorry to burst your bubble but because America is rich, America is fat and lazy. funny. i grew up in a family that mostly lived in poverty, and the majority of us are fat ;) actually, haven't there been an influx of studies lately about how obesity seems to be higher in poverty-level communities? annabelle.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:36:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hisannabelle what can i say, i think the world revolves around me ;) i am not saying that it's impossible to speak in general terms, only that it's stupid to do so when you actually want to sit down and talk about an issue like this. you cannot sit down and try to talk about the obesity epidemic, or fat acceptance, without taking in ALL the factors, and that's not just limited to laziness and overeating. annabelle. My comment wasn't just in reference to your responses, actually, I tend to just read the thread and don't really follow which exact poster said what, until I get to a point I'd like to reply to. It was more a casual observation of how many of the threads go. It starts from a general question then it turns into a personal thing for people that identify with that group to say why it's not true in their one case out of a million. I don't see discussing general causes for a problem as stupid, as honestly to figure out why each and every person has a particular problem would take many many pages for each person that has a specific problem. But discussing in general terms could help most of the people in the group. The power of the message board lacks in it's ability to address the 100's of causes for any particular human condition. But it works well for addressing the few problems that cause the vast majority of problems for most. Anywho, I wasn't trying to dis you, and honestly I don't even know who started to take it personally first in this thread.

hisannabelle -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:37:23 AM)
needtouseyou, i didn't think you were dising me personally (the revolving comment was a joke), and i do see what you're saying. actually, your post made me stop and think more than any other post on this thread has, so thank you for that. annabelle.

merrysbrat -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 1:38:27 AM)
Personally, I wouldn't try and tell you how to lose weight, because honestly, even though 200 hundred is too much for me, it seems to work fine for you, and you do have a pretty body IMO. If you weighed 100 pounds more it would be a different story of course, but that's not the case.

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