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welshwmn3 -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/12/2007 11:14:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion How did ya loose with ZERO exercise? I started loosing right after i cut out all microwavable foods like hot pockets, and stoped drinking fruit juice, but the loss didn't last. lasted for about a year.Probably because I got a new bf who is willing to take his baby girl out every week, and I sure didn't say no. Actually, I know a guy who lost about 130 lbs, and the first 50 lbs or so he didn't do any exersize. Was in fact forbidden from his doctor to DO exersize because it could endanger his health (ie, possibly give him a heart attact). But when you listened to what he ate in a day, you could see how he could do it. Before he started his diet, he ate 5000 calories (his estimations, not mine). On his diet, he ate 'only' 2,000. After he'd lost the first 50 lbs, his doctor gave him the go ahead to exersize. When he exersizes, the weight just falls off him.

DominaSmartass -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/12/2007 11:16:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hisannabelle so i have a question for you. why the hell should i NOT be allowed to be accepting of myself, just because by some people's standards i must obviously be fat, lazy, and unhealthy? why should i not be allowed to love my body after spending my entire life loathing it and putting it in this condition in the first place? should i just sit here and be miserable and hate myself because i'm fat and there is literally NOTHING i can do about it, other than continue to try to live as healthily as possible? really, i'm curious, since you all are the gurus on what is and is not acceptable in "fatceptance." let ME know. annabelle. Very eloquently put, Annabelle! Bottom line is, I don't think anyone is out there telling women to be 100 lbs overweight but for those who are, do they not deserve to have the same self esteem as everyone else? Should their quality of life be based on the number on the scale? Should they not buy nice clothes or enjoy life until they reach some weight goal? Of course not! So if I woman who is obese wants to believe she is beautiful, that can really only help her feel better about herself and perhaps improve her health because if she's not ashamed of how she looks then she probably won't end up sitting at home every night with only the tv, her cat, and a gallon of ice cream for friends. I guess I can't feel sorry for anyone who feels offended by seeing big women out in public enjoying themselves. Though it often seems like the world would rather just tell us we're not welcome and we'd better stay home where the fat people belong. Well, kudos to all those who stand in the face of that and say "No way. Cause I can be big and beautiful." over and out

welshwmn3 -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/12/2007 11:17:31 PM)
Yanno, something has occured to me (earlier actually)... "Question" started this whole thing, and hasn't been back here since. I bet we've provided some really nice entertainment for him. Bleh. Trolls. I should learn not to feed them.

merrysbrat -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/12/2007 11:22:39 PM)
Wow, everyone is totally blowing this out of proportion, seriously. Who ever ONCE said that big women should not leave the house? Who ever ONCE said every woman should weight 120 pounds, who ever ONCE said that you can't still have a pretty face if you're big? You guys are taking an inch of criticism and turning it into a mile.

gothicdiva -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/12/2007 11:25:07 PM)
FDD, What you said is the "key" for most of us. It includes a "lifestyle change" which is ongoing and contains both healthy eating practices AND exercise. I don't do a whole lot of either most of the time and that is WHY I am overweight. It's not because of some underlying medical disorder that I am aware of. I do think this country DOES promote obesity with the "supersized" fast food chains and also the promotion of habits that burn about 50 calories per hour...ie. sitting and typing on the Internet or playing video/computer games. I am "guilty" of participating in the first two. I couldn't definitely find something more productive and health-conscious to do with my time. And, with the diet industry being a billion-dollar industry...why wouldn't it be encouraged? On the other hand, the media promotes a different sort of "standard of beauty"...ie. Hollywood or Playboy and the like...and we are supposed to meet those standards? HOW exactly? It's really a huge contradiction I think and can make one feel like an "oxymoron" for attempting to do both. For most of us can't eat Mickey D's every day and look like Angelina Jolie! Be well, M. Diva

gothicdiva -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/12/2007 11:37:09 PM)
Most likely he's "lurking" and reading all of this under his REAL profile name. I wouldn't put it past him for even posting as well. He KNEW what he was initiating when he started this thread. Some people do that sort of thing online. Oh, and to answer what someone else asked about losing weight. I lost nearly 20 pounds last year by cutting out practically all fast food and watching carbs for a few months. I didn't exercise either. Had I, I would probably lost more. The sad fact is that I have gained the majority back because I resorted to my "old eating habits" again. I'm starting to hate the way my body looks again, so let's hope that will be a catalyst to me "get up and get motivated!" Be well and be healthy! M. Diva

FatDomDaddy -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/12/2007 11:39:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gothicdiva For most of us can't eat Mickey D's every day and look like Angelina Jolie! But here's the thing diva... You really can. Nobody make you supersize a fast food meal. One could eat an egg mcmuffin, oj and milk for breakfast, a regular burger, small fries and a jumbo diet coke for lunch and a grilled chicken salad and cookies for dinner w/diet coke or unsweetened ice tea for dinner. It is all about personal resposibility. I will be the first to admit, that I struggle with it daily but McDonald's Burger King, Wendy's or even Panera Bread is holding a gun to my head and forcing down 44oz regular cokes! But in a sense, you are most correct. They are slippery places, much like buffett's and all you can eat Chinese places. They are better avoided.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/12/2007 11:42:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gothicdiva The sad fact is that I have gained the majority back because I resorted to my "old eating habits" again. This is the hardest part for those of us who fight the fight!!!! It is soooo hard sometimes but knowing it is half the battle.

merrysbrat -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/12/2007 11:44:14 PM)
Well really now, who wants to go to Mcdonalds for that? If you're gonna go to Mcdonalds, go all out, get two Big Macs, a large fries, and a RIVER of soda, that's my thinking anyways. Of course, I only go about once a month.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/12/2007 11:48:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JackM1 Fatdomdaddy: for someone who is poking fun at others for venting about their problems, Poking fun at who? mistressdome? Sorry not buying what you are trying to sell. As with all addictions brutal honesty is needed sometimes because we addicts are artists and excuses are our medium.

gothicdiva -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 12:01:17 AM)
You're taking the fun out of it...LOL Of course, I sometimes go and get a side salad and some Chicken Selects. I actually allowed myself to eat 3 of them with hot mustard while I was still losing weight. I didn't say that they didn't have OPTIONS other than things that are highly packed with fat and carbs. I think that some of the other fast food restaurants are BECOMING cognizant of that and trying to add "healthier" things to their menus. Be well, M. Diva

FatDomDaddy -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 12:08:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gothicdiva I think that some of the other fast food restaurants are BECOMING cognizant of that and trying to add "healthier" things to their menus. They are and that is a good thing. But it is a reflection of the marketplace more than anything else. But there are actually 300 and 400 pound people who blame fast food resturants because they order supersize value meals and a jumbo flurry shake for dessert. That is somehow the resturants fault! I guess it's Old Country Buffett's fault than one can eat six plates of mashed potatoes if they wish...lol

FelinePersuasion -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 12:12:12 AM)
I absolutely refuse to eat from McD's. I call them McEvil, their food prices are a fucking rip off for what tiny amount they give you, like , once I went in to get a parfait, 3 bucks for this tiny dinky ass thing, their foods not all that great tasting in my mind, the quote: ORIGINAL: gothicdiva For most of us can't eat Mickey D's every day Be well, M. Diva

gothicdiva -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 12:20:55 AM)
First and foremost, that wasn't any sort of ENDORSEMENT for them. I could have used the name of any fast food restaurant. I don't even there often either, but that is not the point. I just used them as an example. And, if you want to discuss them and their over-pricing, I suggest you start ANOTHER thread. Might I also add that this is in no way, shape or form an endorsement for Ms. Jolie. She's not paying me to use her name. I just chose her because most people are aware of who she is...: ) Be well, M. Diva

Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 12:33:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: gothicdiva For most of us can't eat Mickey D's every day and look like Angelina Jolie! But here's the thing diva... You really can. Nobody make you supersize a fast food meal. One could eat an egg mcmuffin, oj and milk for breakfast, a regular burger, small fries and a jumbo diet coke for lunch and a grilled chicken salad and cookies for dinner w/diet coke or unsweetened ice tea for dinner. It is all about personal resposibility. Egg McMuffin: 300 calories 110 calories from fat (over a 1/3 of the item is fat) 30g carbohydrates 2 grams dietary fiber Small OJ (12oz): 140 calories, 0 cal from fat, 33g carbs, 0g dietary fiber 1% milk: 100 calories, 20 cal from fat, 12g carbs, 0 dietary fiber Total: 540 calories, 130 from fat, 75 g carbs, 2 grams dietary fiber. So far, that is 2 meals and 1 snack for an average woman and about 1 and 2/3 meals for an average man, for a person on a restrictive carb diet (someone with diabetes or someone trying to lose weight in a healthy manner). That is just breakfast. I'm sorry, but no, you cannot eat things such as that and call it healthy. Empty carbs (ones that contain fewer than 5g of dietary fiber) are a major culprit in obesity and diabetes. If you want to lose weight, and eat healthy, find items with fewer carbs and more dietary fiber.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 12:37:50 AM)
I honestly don't get the point of these threads, maybe someone can enlighten me. I'm not making that up, these threads seem as productive as bashing into a brick wall. But I like brain injuries, so I might as well have a go, at unravelling the "fat" mystery, and why it encompasses the thoughts of some many people. I can sort of understand the BBW thing. I believe it stands for Big Beautiful woman or something like that. I don't really see any other group running around saying I'm beautiful, I'm beautiful, I'm beautiful. So, it's sort of annoying, and seems a bit arrogant actually. But, go for it I guess. It would sort of be like posting I'm smart, I'm smart, I'm smart, all over the place. What does it make you think when someone is held up on something, and repeats it all the time? Hey, hire me at your bank, I'm honest, I'm honest, I'm honest. LOL. I wouldn't believe they thought they were honest. There is nothing attractive about anyone that goes around saying they are beautiful, smart, witty, wise, intelligent, all the time. So, in my view it's a turn off. There is something attractive about a person that just is beautiful, smarty, witty, intelligent, and rarely do they announce that quality. You can't make another person believe you are any of those things by announcing it. Anyway, you'll never change anyones view by telling them how to think of you, or claiming a title. Unfortunately just the opposite will occur. Second, and this is purely personal experience. I do know a few fat people that are fat because of medication, but I know about 15ish, that are just fat because they eat to much, or are lazy. I'm fat I guess, who knows, I don't feel fat. LOL. though I've been referred to as fat a couple of times, so I guess I am. Regardless, the point is these discussions seem to hinge on the 10% or less of the population(fattened up by disease, or treatment for disease) and not the 90%, which are completely self-inflicted fat. An odd ball fact doesn't destroy a general rule. But that said, who cares if you 250,350,500. It's your life, I don't care. People that want to go around saying your ugly, fat, or whatever else insult are just asses unless you told them first your beautiful, then of course they have the right to disagree. And people that go around trying to convince everyone they have a certain quality won't get anywhere doing so, except for the people that already believe it. So, people just need to shut up about it, on the positive and negative in my view. Saying I'm BBW, invites someone to disagree. Saying I'm beautiful, is bound to get someone to say I'm not. Because they don't think so. I don't know if this is just me or if this is common. But if someone just announces out of the blue, I'm a BBW, or I'm Smart, or I'm articulate, or I'm _______(desirable sought after quality). And the information wasn't relevant, then I tend to think it is a personal issue, and their self worth is wrapped up in being perceived that way. Which is very very unattractive. I've known women like this that were not even what I'd call fat, maybe chunky. You go to get something to eat, and they start talking of weight, but they don't care about it if you ask them. If they see a skinny woman, they have to comment, about something, which they have no clue about. But they will tell you in the same breath they aren't hung up on weight. Well, then why is the conversation drawn to weight any time a chance occurs. I guess what I'm saying in short form, is if people really thought they were beautiful, why mention it to strangers. You'd just assume it. Right? Hey I'm "fat" I guess to, but I don't go around justifying it, or feeling all bad about it, or attacking men that are skinny, or saying I'm beautiful to everyone. That is where the problem is in my view, people are trying to deprogram themselves in public and expecting no one to mention a descending opinion. Honestly, If someone called my piggy, I'd snort. That's quite funny. Though I've only had it happen in non-public situations, and I was like "I am?" LOL. Who cares. Maybe it's just a guy thing, I don't really care what I look like as long as it's good enough for the person I'm with. And I will push those limits!!! LOL.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 12:42:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Domin8tingUrDrmz Egg McMuffin: 300 calories 110 calories from fat (over a 1/3 of the item is fat) 30g carbohydrates 2 grams dietary fiber Small OJ (12oz): 140 calories, 0 cal from fat, 33g carbs, 0g dietary fiber 1% milk: 100 calories, 20 cal from fat, 12g carbs, 0 dietary fiber Total: 540 calories, 130 from fat, 75 g carbs, 2 grams dietary fiber. So drop the cheese and the butter. And get the kids size (8or6 oz apple juice) The point was, you don't have to eat the mega bagel with bacon egg and cheese, the deep fried hash browns and 32 oz coca-cola. AND .... nobody is being force to eat there! IT IS A CHOICE TO GO TO A FAST FOOD RESTURANT.

merrysbrat -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 12:45:41 AM)
Regardless, the point is these discussions seem to hinge on the 10% or less of the population(fattened up by disease, or treatment for disease) and not the 90%, which are completely self-inflicted fat. An odd ball fact doesn't destroy a general rule. Thank you.

hisannabelle -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 12:58:06 AM)
greetings domin8ing, where did you get the idea that 540 calories is two meals and a snack for the average woman? that's just bullshit. a low healthy amount of calories for the average woman is 1200-1600. anything below about 1200 calories is a starvation diet. therefore 540 calories is a more than healthy amount of calories for a meal (although of course one has to pay attention to fat grams, carbs, etc., so that particular meal might not be healthy, but that's not the point). greetings merrysbrat, what i said was in response to the posts with the sentiment that it's somehow silly or wrong for fat people to think we are beautiful, or be proud of our bodies, even if we are fat. annabelle.

hisannabelle -> RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we should encourage? (5/13/2007 12:59:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: merrysbrat Regardless, the point is these discussions seem to hinge on the 10% or less of the population(fattened up by disease, or treatment for disease) and not the 90%, which are completely self-inflicted fat. An odd ball fact doesn't destroy a general rule. Thank you. yes, but an oddball does kind of destroy all the generalizations people feel the need to perpetrate. annabelle.

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