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caitlyn -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 5:19:12 AM)

My prediction, is the citizens of Farmers Branch will pass an ordinance next year to monitor the rapidly rising cost of lawn care and roofing companies.
 
What I don't understand, is why these starving produce pickers don't fire up their high speed internet connection and fill out the proper paperwork to get in legally. They are probably just lazy. At least with this new bill, they can reach into their deep pockets and pull out that extra 5K they have hanging around, and pay their way in.




xxxtacy -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 8:30:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: EgosumDominus

But I must say that you "Level" with that comment about the David Duke poster thing was BS. Thats the kind of personal attack you need to keep in your own camp. Totaly uncalled for. She made a bad judgement in her choice of words...and I mean really bad. But for you to feed that was uncalled for.
So get off that racist bull shit. This is not about what race we are.
Its about the laws of this country. Get back on the subject.



Well, "Ego", the comment she made WAS rascist; then she tried to worm out of it by making minnetar look like a bigot. So, bullshit abounded, in my eyes.....


As Egosum said, what she said was bad.  She shouldn't have used the word she used, but this is a not a racial issue, it's an issue of people breaking our country's laws.  And if bullshit abounded in your eyes, you had the power to end the argument and come out on top, rather than personally attack her and continue the argument.  There are too many people who think the immigration issues are racially motivated.  I, personally, don't care if they're Irish, German, Chinese, or Mexican, they need to go through the proper channels to become citizens or stay the hell out of our country.  And, btw, I'm German and Irish, but I wouldn't encourage nor assist any member of my family in coming here illegally.  I am a law-abiding, tax paying American citizen and would never in my life assist ANYONE in breaking the law, regardless of relation or reason.




Level -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 9:24:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xxxtacy

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: EgosumDominus

But I must say that you "Level" with that comment about the David Duke poster thing was BS. Thats the kind of personal attack you need to keep in your own camp. Totaly uncalled for. She made a bad judgement in her choice of words...and I mean really bad. But for you to feed that was uncalled for.
So get off that racist bull shit. This is not about what race we are.
Its about the laws of this country. Get back on the subject.



Well, "Ego", the comment she made WAS rascist; then she tried to worm out of it by making minnetar look like a bigot. So, bullshit abounded, in my eyes.....


As Egosum said, what she said was bad.  She shouldn't have used the word she used, but this is a not a racial issue, it's an issue of people breaking our country's laws.  And if bullshit abounded in your eyes, you had the power to end the argument and come out on top, rather than personally attack her and continue the argument.  There are too many people who think the immigration issues are racially motivated.  I, personally, don't care if they're Irish, German, Chinese, or Mexican, they need to go through the proper channels to become citizens or stay the hell out of our country.  And, btw, I'm German and Irish, but I wouldn't encourage nor assist any member of my family in coming here illegally.  I am a law-abiding, tax paying American citizen and would never in my life assist ANYONE in breaking the law, regardless of relation or reason.


I agree, I could have just ignored her; being human, I have flaws, like everyone. One of those is despising weasely behaviour, which she exhibited. But again, yes, I could have used a different tact.
 
For some, likely quite a few people, illegal immigration IS a racial issue, like it or not. Personally, I don't like illegal immigration, it hurts this country in many ways, but I understand why some break the law to get here. Tough situation with few clear-cut answers, in my opinion.




popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 9:39:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: EgosumDominus

But I must say that you "Level" with that comment about the David Duke poster thing was BS. Thats the kind of personal attack you need to keep in your own camp. Totaly uncalled for. She made a bad judgement in her choice of words...and I mean really bad. But for you to feed that was uncalled for.
So get off that racist bull shit. This is not about what race we are.
Its about the laws of this country. Get back on the subject.



Well, "Ego", the comment she made WAS rascist; then she tried to worm out of it by making minnetar look like a bigot. So, bullshit abounded, in my eyes.....


Level, how is "wetback" racist?
It refers to someone who crossed "swam" over the Rio Grande.
It can apply to "anyone" who did so, even you or me.
If I went to Mexico through a legal Port of Entry and then instead of returning through that or another legal Port of Entry waded accross the Rio Grande I'm a Wetback.
And to which "race" are you referring, Caucaision, Negroid, or Mongoloid?




Level -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 9:44:46 AM)

Popeye, the term wetback is used, for damn sure down here, as a derogatory term for any hispanic. I don't know the origins of the word, but whatever it's original coiner meant has been long relegated to the back-burner. I see too many super-"patriots" who love to use terms like that, and then try to pretend they meant no harm.




bandit25 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 9:49:52 AM)

I agree, Level.  As Popeye said, that is what the term means; however, I've never heard it applied to a nonhispanic, soooooo, sorry. Popeye, it is a derogatory term.




xxxtacy -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 9:57:20 AM)

The term "wetback" is a derogatory word normally associated with illegal Hispanics, much like "honky" and "cracker" are derogatory words for Caucasions.  Once again, this post is NOT about racial issues, it's about our country's laws.




popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 9:59:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

I agree, Level.  As Popeye said, that is what the term means; however, I've never heard it applied to a nonhispanic, soooooo, sorry. Popeye, it is a derogatory term.


LOL, so Bandit, we have to use terms that don't "offend" illegal aliens who aren't even supposed to be in our country now?
That sounds suspiciously* "Politically Correct"* to me!

Bandit, if I "know" that a person is in my country illegally there's no law that says I can't insult them.
That'll be the least of their worries with me!




bandit25 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 9:59:47 AM)

Not sure if you addressed that post to me or not.  I wasn't talking about the post in general.  I was addressing Popeye's comment that wetback can refer to anyone who swam the Rio Grande




bandit25 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:06:53 AM)

No Popeye, I didn't say that.  What I said  is I've never heard the term "wetback" used in any other than a derogatory manner.  Your earlier post made if sound like the term itself had no connotation.  You can address people any way you want to.  Doesn't make a bit of difference to me.




xxxtacy -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:07:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

I agree, Level.  As Popeye said, that is what the term means; however, I've never heard it applied to a nonhispanic, soooooo, sorry. Popeye, it is a derogatory term.


LOL, so Bandit, we have to use terms that don't "offend" illegal aliens who aren't even supposed to be in our country now?
That sounds suspiciously* "Politically Correct"* to me!


This post is regarding ALL illegal aliens, not just hispanics.  Using derogatory words in this post is racist, and has no place here.




popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:23:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

WE have problems here with all the big ranchers and farmers hiring illegals,paying them 3-5 dollars an hour, family groups are picking apples and doing farm work.Diane and I refuse to hire them even tho its cost us more to hire locals.Every trip to town I go past the health and human services office,believe me there are plenty there apply for medical cards and food assistance..No matter how you think it amnesty is amnesty in my book.WE work hard and pay our fair share of taxes to big brother,I don't mind helping our own people but I have had it up to here.One of the biggest culprits is the Catholic church conspiring to get and keep them here..This isn't bashing the Catholic religion just the hierarchy ....bounty


Bounty, I agree. The Catholic Church seems to have a BLIND SPOT when it comes to the law!
I grew up Catholic but after all the kiddie porn and molesting children and now this stuff I've had it with the Catholic Church!
I don't go to a Catholic Church anymore.
And if they or any other church want to get involved in our politics they should have their tax exempt status removed.
If they don't have a problem with illegal aliens what's next, rapists and murderers?
You don't see *any* of those Churches advocating that illegal aliens be let into ANY other country like Russia and China.
Why only the U.S.?
We're not a rich country anymore, we're broke!
I'd like to see China try and collect what we owe them!
And the Taxpayers shouldn't - at any level, local, state or federal have to be paying for any services for illegal aliens.




popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:25:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xxxtacy

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

I agree, Level.  As Popeye said, that is what the term means; however, I've never heard it applied to a nonhispanic, soooooo, sorry. Popeye, it is a derogatory term.


LOL, so Bandit, we have to use terms that don't "offend" illegal aliens who aren't even supposed to be in our country now?
That sounds suspiciously* "Politically Correct"* to me!


This post is regarding ALL illegal aliens, not just hispanics.  Using derogatory words in this post is racist, and has no place here.


xxxtacy, again, which "race" are you referring to?




Lordandmaster -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:27:22 AM)

The real problem is that people complain at both ends.  If all those big ranchers and farmers hired legal labor, the price of food would skyrocket.  No one wants that.  But they don't want illegal immigrants, either.

Most people just haven't thought this issue through and don't want to admit that they have to make a choice.

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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

WE have problems here with all the big ranchers and farmers hiring illegals,paying them 3-5 dollars an hour, family groups are picking apples and doing farm work.




xxxtacy -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:33:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: xxxtacy

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

I agree, Level.  As Popeye said, that is what the term means; however, I've never heard it applied to a nonhispanic, soooooo, sorry. Popeye, it is a derogatory term.


LOL, so Bandit, we have to use terms that don't "offend" illegal aliens who aren't even supposed to be in our country now?
That sounds suspiciously* "Politically Correct"* to me!


This post is regarding ALL illegal aliens, not just hispanics.  Using derogatory words in this post is racist, and has no place here.


xxxtacy, again, which "race" are you referring to?


Again, I am NOT referring to any races.  This post has NOTHING to do with race.




popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:34:51 AM)

L&M, the labor component of food costs only comes out to 8%.




bandit25 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:35:07 AM)

Then, perhaps, you should stop using the term racist.  Just a suggestion.




xxxtacy -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:36:24 AM)

I was trying to get everyone off the derogatory words and back on the subject at hand.  Apparently, it worked.




popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:36:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xxxtacy

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: xxxtacy

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

I agree, Level.  As Popeye said, that is what the term means; however, I've never heard it applied to a nonhispanic, soooooo, sorry. Popeye, it is a derogatory term.


LOL, so Bandit, we have to use terms that don't "offend" illegal aliens who aren't even supposed to be in our country now?
That sounds suspiciously* "Politically Correct"* to me!


This post is regarding ALL illegal aliens, not just hispanics.  Using derogatory words in this post is racist, and has no place here.


xxxtacy, again, which "race" are you referring to?


Again, I am NOT referring to any races.  This post has NOTHING to do with race.


xxxtacy, well then how is "wetback" "racist" if anyone can be a "Wetback?




bandit25 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:38:36 AM)

Look below your post...doesn't seem to have worked all that well.  Besides, people are going to post whatever they feel like posting...I'm sure you must have noticed that.




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