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thompsonx -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 3:27:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NewDom12

My big problem is when people say that the Mexicans are escaping a life of hardships and crime.  That they are trying to better their lives because back in Mexico the standard way of living is deplorable.  So I am supposed to welcome them with open arms because their life "sucks"... um no, courtesy and compassion are not reasons to disobey laws that benefit citizens and or hurt them.

Illegal Aliens ARE NOT CITIZENS!  But Why do we continue to give them all the Benefits of Citizenship?
Which benefits of citizenship do we give them?


In Aprill over two Million Illegal Aliens tried to pay taxes and About half were able to, because of Loopholes. 
I thought you were all in favor of obeying the law?  Does the law say you have to pay your taxes whether you are a citizen or not?

But when the IRS Finds a Illegal attempting to pay taxes, they are neither Mandated to or willing to report this to the Immigration Department and i want to know why?
I can't be certain here but my best guess is that it is all about the Benjamins.





Sinergy -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 5:30:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LightHeartedMaam

I had heard that if one wanted to immigrate to Australia, their acceptance was based on what their occupation was.  If they needed more "xyz" they were accepted.  Can anyone down-under knowledgeable about this confirm or deny?



I looked in to working in Australia about 15 years ago.  I had a position that was in need there and a company that wanted me.

They allow a non-Australian to spend 2 years (max) in their country doing the job.  Then you have to leave the country and reapply.

Not sure about emigrating.  When I was with a Canadian 5 years ago I found out that emigration between citizens of former British Empire countries is relatively simple.

Sinergy




minnetar -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 7:05:21 PM)

thompson,
i have found illegals do get Medicaid and a county funded medical program.  This bothers me because of the people who are the working poor and aren't entitled to either.  By the way, i do have health insurance even though it isn't great.

minnetar




peepeegirl5 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 7:30:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

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ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

greetings egosum,

and it sickens me that we make the immigration process so goddamned difficult that people feel compelled to enter the country illegally. but we all got problems.

annabelle.



They are not coming here illegally to become Americans. That's the problem. They are coming here illegally to take jobs at low wages (much lower than Americans are willing to work), work 80 hours a week, and then send that money back to Mexico. Most of the ones that cross the border illegally hate this country.

Look at how they refuse to learn english. When my great-grandparents immigrated here from Italy, they banned the Italian language in their home. They did not allow their children to speak anything else but english. Why? Because English is the language spoken in America. And America was their new home.

They are the reason poverty is increasing in America.

There was a poll in Mexico that showed that 70% of Mexicans believe that the southwest United States belongs to Mexico and would support a movement to retake that land. There are drug cartels on the Mexican border that have more weapons and arms than Al-Queda. There has been over 300 incursions by the Mexican military into the United States. If the Mexican military comes across the border and starts shooting at our border patrol (which has happened several times), that is an act of war and we have every right to defend ourselves.

I say pull our troops out of Iraq and put it on the border. And shoot every damn thing that moves. Once Mexico crushes the drug cartels, stops the human trafficking, and stops the corruption in its ranks.....then we can talk about immigration laws.


The "Reconquista" as it's referred to, was the theme of a recurring speech that Vincenzo Fox used to give to hordes of mexican nationals to inspire them to illegally enter the US.

Mob: The scum that rises to the surface when the water boils.

As for taking ONLY jobs that americans don't want, well that's just ridiculous. All you have to do is hire one illegal and soon enough there's a variety of cousins, brothers, sisters, aunts, nephews, etc who "need" a job.

The upshot of this is that there are a lot of young americans who due to the failure of public education are only fit for these low-paying jobs, who can't get hired to do this "crap work" because the illegals make it impossible for these truly needy Americans to do their job because of harassment, threat, and intimidation at the work place.

Last year when the illegals had their big strike some of my father's warehouses were left without anyone to load and unload trucks except for the supervisor. What turned out to be quite revealing was that one American with a true work ethic was able to finish ALL the days work before lunch!! The eight illegals had taken 12 hours to do the same work with constant sullen and resentful complaining.

As a result two american highschool dropouts were hired to replace the terminated illegals, productivity has increased over 30%, costs have been significantly reduced, and the american employees are fun, decent and have a positive can-do attitude as well.

In the final analysis, wetbacks are not really worth the money, and there is a very large workforce out there that actually will gratefully do these necessary jobs.




minnetar -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 7:35:23 PM)

peep,
pardon me you called them what?  What you said was extremely offensive and i have found they have an examplary work ethic.  Might be nice to hear an apology at least about the derogatory reference.

minnetar




Level -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 7:38:09 PM)

Yeah, I could do without hearing "wetbacks".......... the point can be made without that kind of shit.




popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 7:39:30 PM)

On the News tonight our two Senators, Lindsey Graham and Jim DeMint were at a function and when Graham got up to speak he mentioned amnesty and the crowd started booing him! lol
Then DeMint who's against amnesty got up to speak and the crowd cheered him!
I'm telling you, Lindsey Graham is one Dumb S.O.B.




ElectraGlide -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 7:40:22 PM)

Immigration crackdown, what a joke. They will not figure out how they want to do it. They do not have the resources either, to do the cracking down. Wait till the election is over and you will not hear about immigration problems and global warming for 4 more years.




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 7:53:12 PM)

WE have problems here with all the big ranchers and farmers hiring illegals,paying them 3-5 dollars an hour, family groups are picking apples and doing farm work.Diane and I refuse to hire them even tho its cost us more to hire locals.Every trip to town I go past the health and human services office,believe me there are plenty there apply for medical cards and food assistance..No matter how you think it amnesty is amnesty in my book.WE work hard and pay our fair share of taxes to big brother,I don't mind helping our own people but I have had it up to here.One of the biggest culprits is the Catholic church conspiring to get and keep them here..This isn't bashing the Catholic religion just the hierarchy ....bounty




thompsonx -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 7:57:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

thompson,
i have found illegals do get Medicaid and a county funded medical program.  This bothers me because of the people who are the working poor and aren't entitled to either.  By the way, i do have health insurance even though it isn't great.

minnetar



minnetar:
It would appear that Indiana is a bit more progressive than California.  If you have any data on this program and why citizens are denied access I would be most interested in seeing it.  Perhaps it is a financial means test that might allow a destitute illegal while denying someone slightly more economically stable.  That would make perfect bureaucratic sense but lacks common sense.
thompson




minnetar -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 8:02:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

thompson,
i have found illegals do get Medicaid and a county funded medical program.  This bothers me because of the people who are the working poor and aren't entitled to either.  By the way, i do have health insurance even though it isn't great.

minnetar



minnetar:
It would appear that Indiana is a bit more progressive than California.  If you have any data on this program and why citizens are denied access I would be most interested in seeing it.  Perhaps it is a financial means test that might allow a destitute illegal while denying someone slightly more economically stable.  That would make perfect bureaucratic sense but lacks common sense.
thompson

my apologies as i only see it when dealing with claims that are denied by Indiana Medicaid for illegal alien emergency purposes only.  Then basically the majority have a secondary insurance.  In indianapolis it is wishard advantage where they have to pay a premium i believe monthly but all is covered then.  It is truly astounding.  Especially when i see so many of the illegals have that and i talk to even friends who can't afford healthcare.  i just wish there was someway to insure everyone.  i am only basing my statements on dealing with the medical claims i deal with daily.

minnetar




peepeegirl5 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 8:14:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

peep,
pardon me you called them what?  What you said was extremely offensive and i have found they have an examplary work ethic.  Might be nice to hear an apology at least about the derogatory reference.

minnetar



I'm sorry that criminals are encouraged to be criminals. If you are attempting to put words in my mouth i.e. that "wetback" is somehow a term I'm directing at ALL hispanics you are quite mistaken. My words speak of criminals who are motivated by their governments to commit crime and that hiring these criminals as a business proposition is ill-advised.

Employee productivity and morale is a matter of perspective, my family is in business to optimize profit and in that regard we thought the criminals going on strike last year was quite revealing, and we have profited by it. By the way, the two highschool dropouts I spoke of are both hispanic, and both of their families have been in Texas for over five generations, and quite honestly they despise "wetbacks" for screwing up the economy.




peepeegirl5 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 8:16:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

Yeah, I could do without hearing "wetbacks".......... the point can be made without that kind of shit.


YOUR point can be made with that kind of filthy language.




Level -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 8:24:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: peepeegirl5

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ORIGINAL: Level

Yeah, I could do without hearing "wetbacks".......... the point can be made without that kind of shit.


YOUR point can be made with that kind of filthy language.



What you said is racist, and there's no way around it; if you want to put denigrating other human beings in the same category as saying "shit", of course, that's your right.




peepeegirl5 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 8:30:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: peepeegirl5

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ORIGINAL: Level

Yeah, I could do without hearing "wetbacks".......... the point can be made without that kind of shit.


YOUR point can be made with that kind of filthy language.



What you said is racist, and there's no way around it; if you want to put denigrating other human beings in the same category as saying "shit", of course, that's your right.


Actually what i said is descriptive of the criminals who illegally enter the US and actually do interfere with actual Americans who are victims of public education from making a living.

When i said "wetback" I was making a political statement, YOU are just a potty mouth.




Level -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 8:33:39 PM)

Oh, it's a "political statement"....... well, that changes everything.




peepeegirl5 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 8:34:19 PM)

Proud to be a MinuteChXX!!!

Keeping The Enemy At The Gate.




Level -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 8:36:07 PM)

Do you also have a David Duke poster on your wall?




peepeegirl5 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 8:39:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

Do you also have a David Duke poster on your wall?


Yukio Mishima (the ONLY male I admire).




minnetar -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/19/2007 8:40:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: peepeegirl5

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

peep,
pardon me you called them what?  What you said was extremely offensive and i have found they have an examplary work ethic.  Might be nice to hear an apology at least about the derogatory reference.

minnetar



I'm sorry that criminals are encouraged to be criminals. If you are attempting to put words in my mouth i.e. that "wetback" is somehow a term I'm directing at ALL hispanics you are quite mistaken. My words speak of criminals who are motivated by their governments to commit crime and that hiring these criminals as a business proposition is ill-advised.

Employee productivity and morale is a matter of perspective, my family is in business to optimize profit and in that regard we thought the criminals going on strike last year was quite revealing, and we have profited by it. By the way, the two highschool dropouts I spoke of are both hispanic, and both of their families have been in Texas for over five generations, and quite honestly they despise "wetbacks" for screwing up the economy.


Peep you are young.  Learn to make arguments without using denigrating terminology such as "wetbacks".  You can say other words such as hispanics and get a point across.  Using that terminology totally will invalidate any point you have to say.  Think about it.

minnetar




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