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EgosumDominus -> Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/12/2007 10:28:37 PM)

It sickens me that criminals are flooding over our borders and our weak federal government has done nothing to stop it. So now a small city named Farmers Branch Texas has decided that enough is enough.
My family, as yours may have well, came into this county the legal way...we earned it. Not rationalizing entitlement...it was an honor to be acceped as a US citizen.
Sneeking into the US or any other country is a crime, and that makes them criminals. No quarter...regardless of where they are from.




hisannabelle -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/12/2007 10:30:44 PM)

greetings egosum,

and it sickens me that we make the immigration process so goddamned difficult that people feel compelled to enter the country illegally. but we all got problems.

annabelle.




EgosumDominus -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/12/2007 10:34:22 PM)

Its not as difficult as most countries...and thats not an excuse for being a criminal. I want more money...but I wont rob a bank.




hisannabelle -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/12/2007 10:35:59 PM)

greetings egosum,

i'm not saying it's an excuse, or that that makes it acceptable. but i do still think it's ridiculous on our part.

annabelle.




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/12/2007 11:11:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

greetings egosum,

i'm not saying it's an excuse, or that that makes it acceptable. but i do still think it's ridiculous on our part.

annabelle.



Why is it ridiculous, hisannabelle?  What is it about this country's immigration laws that you would change, and how do we compare to other countries' immigration policies? 




cyberdude611 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 4:56:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

greetings egosum,

and it sickens me that we make the immigration process so goddamned difficult that people feel compelled to enter the country illegally. but we all got problems.

annabelle.



They are not coming here illegally to become Americans. That's the problem. They are coming here illegally to take jobs at low wages (much lower than Americans are willing to work), work 80 hours a week, and then send that money back to Mexico. Most of the ones that cross the border illegally hate this country.

Look at how they refuse to learn english. When my great-grandparents immigrated here from Italy, they banned the Italian language in their home. They did not allow their children to speak anything else but english. Why? Because English is the language spoken in America. And America was their new home.

They are the reason poverty is increasing in America.

There was a poll in Mexico that showed that 70% of Mexicans believe that the southwest United States belongs to Mexico and would support a movement to retake that land. There are drug cartels on the Mexican border that have more weapons and arms than Al-Queda. There has been over 300 incursions by the Mexican military into the United States. If the Mexican military comes across the border and starts shooting at our border patrol (which has happened several times), that is an act of war and we have every right to defend ourselves.

I say pull our troops out of Iraq and put it on the border. And shoot every damn thing that moves. Once Mexico crushes the drug cartels, stops the human trafficking, and stops the corruption in its ranks.....then we can talk about immigration laws.




farglebargle -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 4:58:39 AM)

Again, I ask the question.

If CAPITAL can freely cross borders, then why not LABOR?





cyberdude611 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 5:08:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Again, I ask the question.

If CAPITAL can freely cross borders, then why not LABOR?




You support slave labor, fargle? Because that is exactly what this is. Corporations are giving jobs to these illegals are extremely low wages in order to cut labor costs and increase profits.

Look what Circuit City did a few months ago. They layed off all their workers and then hired new employees willing to work at much lower wages. More and more companies are doing this.

I should have also said how I would also go one step further and impose massive fines on any corporation that hires an illegal alien.




farglebargle -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 6:29:54 AM)

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You support slave labor, fargle? Because that is exactly what this is. Corporations are giving jobs to these illegals are extremely low wages in order to cut labor costs and increase profits.


If they could compete OPENLY, then they couldn't be exploited. By permitting the unregulated movement of Labor, you enable THE MARKET to dictate wages and benefits, with an even playing field for all parties.







slaverosebeauty -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 8:54:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: EgosumDominus

It sickens me that criminals are flooding over our borders and our weak federal government has done nothing to stop it. So now a small city named Farmers Branch Texas has decided that enough is enough.
My family, as yours may have well, came into this county the legal way...we earned it. Not rationalizing entitlement...it was an honor to be acceped as a US citizen.
Sneeking into the US or any other country is a crime, and that makes them criminals. No quarter...regardless of where they are from.


Then they have kids here who are AUTOMATICALLY American Citizens, and since you can't send a parent back and leave a child here, the parent(s) get to stay as well, and they enver become citizens, then they burden our various systems [Medical/Aid, Food Stamps, etc] that are here to HELP Americans; throw in that some bad apples end up in prision and that those of us who ONLY speak english get penalized for NOT being bilingual in the workforce. No other country in the world would go out of its way to have bilingual speakers all over or to make almost everything bilingual friendly. So why in the hell should we?!

Most of my family is Native American, aka Various tribes of the MidWest, the rest are from Spain and England, therebouts, so  everyone was here leagally {said tongue in cheek}, or at least before we started to worry about immigration.

A few things to remember:
illigeal immigrants help out in the fields - picking fruit and other crops {if they didn't do it someone else would};
LA has the 1st  largest populaiton of 'illegals' anywhere in the US, and the 2nd largest populaiton of Mexican citizens, ONLY 2nd to Mexico City.




caitlyn -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 9:12:59 AM)

Most people that have immigrated to the United States, were not fully "Americanized" until the second generation. I know hundreds of young hispanic Americans ... and don't know a single one that doesn't speak English. Hispanic integration into American society, complete with the English language, is not that different than other nationality/ethnic groups. Are you aware that in the Civil War, we had entire divisions if Germans, with German officers, speaking German ... and that many schools taught in two languages in order to aid students in transition?
 
No offense intended, but if certain elements of our society would compromise, and support the guest worker program, much of this problem would go away.




MzMia -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 9:16:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

quote:

ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

greetings egosum,

and it sickens me that we make the immigration process so goddamned difficult that people feel compelled to enter the country illegally. but we all got problems.

annabelle.



They are not coming here illegally to become Americans. That's the problem. They are coming here illegally to take jobs at low wages (much lower than Americans are willing to work), work 80 hours a week, and then send that money back to Mexico. Most of the ones that cross the border illegally hate this country.

Look at how they refuse to learn english. When my great-grandparents immigrated here from Italy, they banned the Italian language in their home. They did not allow their children to speak anything else but english. Why? Because English is the language spoken in America. And America was their new home.

They are the reason poverty is increasing in America.

There was a poll in Mexico that showed that 70% of Mexicans believe that the southwest United States belongs to Mexico and would support a movement to retake that land. There are drug cartels on the Mexican border that have more weapons and arms than Al-Queda. There has been over 300 incursions by the Mexican military into the United States. If the Mexican military comes across the border and starts shooting at our border patrol (which has happened several times), that is an act of war and we have every right to defend ourselves.

I say pull our troops out of Iraq and put it on the border. And shoot every damn thing that moves. Once Mexico crushes the drug cartels, stops the human trafficking, and stops the corruption in its ranks.....then we can talk about immigration laws.


I happen to agree with this thread.
Legal and illegal are not the same thing folks, sorry.
I am in the process of learning Spanish because it will be to my benefit career wise and in general.
If you don't know Spanish soon you will be SOL.
Working with the children of many illegal immigrants is a gold mine.
In order for me to work wherever I want, knowing Spanish will be more marketable in my field {Special Education},
right now, than a Masters Degree or a Doctorate!
I have my sights on working in certain areas in Northern Virginia, and I have been TOLD by an Adminstrator in that county
that at least 50% of the children in many of the early intervention {2 to 5 year olds}Special Education programs are Hispanic.
Many of these children have parents that speak little to no English and I am telling you, that OUR tax dollars are creating many
jobs, to educate this new wave of immigrants. [:D] 
So damn it, I am going to take advantage of it, and if you are smart you will too.
She also told me of many special programs for teen mothers, etc. and she said most were Hispanics.
I laugh at many of my co-workers working on their Masters, they will be stuck--when I become fluent in Spanish I will have it
made in the shade.
LOL, when I learn Spanish I will be able to teach, ANYWHERE.

So I have no problem doing what I need to do to be able to go anywhere in my country and work, but some might think it is odd that
they need to learn another language to function easier in their own country!
I often wonder what language will be more important in 50 years..English or Spanish, and I am serious.
Adios mis amigos




EgosumDominus -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 9:19:55 AM)

Several good points.
But the bottom line is people that are not legally in this country are not entitled to any benefits the country offers its citizens, including health care, education and police protection among many other things. Honest people in this country pay for those services to be available...and not to any scum bag that wants to sneak across our boarders.
And it’s not just the criminals from Mexico and South America that this movement is about. This is not a race related issue. There are thousands from Canada, Europe, Africa, Asia etc that are criminals in this country.
My German and Irish ancestors immigrated to this country and did it the right way...the legal way. I resent the fact those scum bags think they are not subject to the same laws that govern the US citizens.
Its time to take swift and unforgiving action against those criminals.





hisannabelle -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 9:25:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

quote:

ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

greetings egosum,

i'm not saying it's an excuse, or that that makes it acceptable. but i do still think it's ridiculous on our part.

annabelle.



Why is it ridiculous, hisannabelle?  What is it about this country's immigration laws that you would change, and how do we compare to other countries' immigration policies? 


goddessdustygold,

i do not actually know much about immigration law itself, which is why i tend to stay clear of these threads. but i do know a couple of people who live in other developed countries (mainly britain), are educated, etc. and still are having an extremely difficult time entering the us legally. it seems to me that if it's that difficult for an educated british man to enter america legally, it must be a damn sight harder for anyone for whom english is not their first language and they've grown up in a developing nation. the only actual law i have any knowledge of that affects this is the stipulation that you cannot work legally in the us if you are on a student visa (which is keeping one of my friends from coming at the moment because he can't support himself while he's in school here if he can't work), so like i said, i tend to steer clear of these threads because i'm making general observations, not arguing the finer points of immigration law.

annabelle.




caitlyn -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 9:31:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: EgosumDominus
I resent the fact those scum bags think they are not subject to the same laws that govern the US citizens.
Its time to take swift and unforgiving action against those criminals.


I guess we could force them to eat Taco Bell. 




slaverosebeauty -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 9:37:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia
I often wonder what language will be more important in 50 years..English or Spanish, and I am serious.
Adios mis amigos



Spanish. [:(] If things don't change it will ONLY get worse. Will I learn spanish, nope, not gonna hapen. I have worked for a few places where NO ONE in the office speaks spanish, I was asked during the interview and when I said 'no' I was told that's not a problem. btw, I do front office, so being bilingual is kinda SOP at this point {in my area}, I still won't learn it. If someone won't take the time and have the curtosy to learn the language of this country to aclimate to thier 'new home' then, why should myself or ANYONE else have to learn their language to accomidate someone who is here ILLEGALLY. Makes no sence to me.

Thanks goodness for my fall back career, modeling {as well as business in that field}; no spanish required.




MzMia -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 9:40:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: EgosumDominus

Several good points.
But the bottom line is people that are not legally in this country are not entitled to any benefits the country offers its citizens, including health care, education and police protection among many other things. Honest people in this country pay for those services to be available...and not to any scum bag that wants to sneak across our boarders.
And it’s not just the criminals from Mexico and South America that this movement is about. This is not a race related issue. There are thousands from Canada, Europe, Africa, Asia etc that are criminals in this country.
My German and Irish ancestors immigrated to this country and did it the right way...the legal way. I resent the fact those scum bags think they are not subject to the same laws that govern the US citizens.
Its time to take swift and unforgiving action against those criminals.


I hate to blow the whistle here, but OUR government seems to be creating more jobs and special programs to educate and assimilate
our new wave of immigrants.
If you saw the opportunities and jobs available, that have been CREATED to assist them, you would run out and learn Spanish.




popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 10:32:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Again, I ask the question.

If CAPITAL can freely cross borders, then why not LABOR?




And again I ask the question why is a Cadillac not a Toyota?
Water can flow freely accross borders too as rivers. So what?
Fargle, because we said they can't.
Also, capital can't "flow freely" across borders so your premise is wrong.

When my grandmother from Donegal, Ireland came to the U.S. LEGALLY in 1919 welfare was "you don't work, you don't eat."
They didn't get any "benefits".




iwannapullurhair -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 11:30:51 AM)

El Presidente Bush already signed the U.S. into a North American Union agreement with Canada and Mexico-without congressional approval or a vote by the people. So he already gave the border away. The same day he signed this agreement he came out and called the minutemen vigilantes.

Bush's attorneys also have thrown multiple border patrol agents in jail on the good word of Mexican drug smugglers. The border patrol guys shot this guy that fought with them and abandoned his van with 800 pounds of pot. The drug guy was supposedly hit in the ass, but got away. The US attorney and Homeland security sent agents down into Mexico, found the drug dealer, and brought him to an army base for treatment. Then they gave him immunity to testify against the agents. Now both agents are in jail for ten or eleven years. The agents names are Ramos and Compean.




meatcleaver -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/13/2007 11:57:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Again, I ask the question.

If CAPITAL can freely cross borders, then why not LABOR?



Great point. I doubt anyone will give you a serious answer though.




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