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Lordandmaster -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:38:48 AM)

A, that's not true.  The paperwork ALONE accounts for serious expenses.  Illegals don't require paperwork.

B, consumers don't even want an 8% hike.  They might say they'd be willing to incur it, but ... they vote with their wallets, and they always turn a blind eye to illegal labor when it results in a cheaper product.

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L&M, the labor component of food costs only comes out to 8%.




xxxtacy -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:42:04 AM)

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I agree, Level.  As Popeye said, that is what the term means; however, I've never heard it applied to a nonhispanic, soooooo, sorry. Popeye, it is a derogatory term.


LOL, so Bandit, we have to use terms that don't "offend" illegal aliens who aren't even supposed to be in our country now?
That sounds suspiciously* "Politically Correct"* to me!


This post is regarding ALL illegal aliens, not just hispanics.  Using derogatory words in this post is racist, and has no place here.


xxxtacy, again, which "race" are you referring to?


Again, I am NOT referring to any races.  This post has NOTHING to do with race.


xxxtacy, well then how is "wetback" "racist" if anyone can be a "Wetback?
  

Please see the below definition from the dictionary:

wet·back  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif[/image]  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image][image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif[/image]  /ˈwɛtˌbæk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[wet-bak] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Disparaging and Offensive.



a Mexican laborer who enters the U.S. illegally, as by wading the Rio Grande.




minnetar -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:48:00 AM)

i went to Webster's dictionary to read the actual definition.  The  etymology (history) of the word involved the comment about wading or swimming across the Rio Grande.  The actual definition does not include that.

This was the definition from the dictionary
"usually offensive : a Mexican who enters the United States illegally"


minnetar




Level -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:53:24 AM)

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I agree, Level.  As Popeye said, that is what the term means; however, I've never heard it applied to a nonhispanic, soooooo, sorry. Popeye, it is a derogatory term.


Yep. And I know what it's intended to mean, but like I said, now it's overwhelmingly used as a slur. Not saying that you do, popeye, I'm talking in general.




popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:55:22 AM)

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I agree, Level.  As Popeye said, that is what the term means; however, I've never heard it applied to a nonhispanic, soooooo, sorry. Popeye, it is a derogatory term.


LOL, so Bandit, we have to use terms that don't "offend" illegal aliens who aren't even supposed to be in our country now?
That sounds suspiciously* "Politically Correct"* to me!


This post is regarding ALL illegal aliens, not just hispanics.  Using derogatory words in this post is racist, and has no place here.


xxxtacy, again, which "race" are you referring to?


Again, I am NOT referring to any races.  This post has NOTHING to do with race.


xxxtacy, well then how is "wetback" "racist" if anyone can be a "Wetback?
  

Please see the below definition from the dictionary:

wet·back  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif[/image]  [image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image][image]http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif[/image]  /ˈwɛtˌbæk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[wet-bak] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Disparaging and Offensive.



a Mexican laborer who enters the U.S. illegally, as by wading the Rio Grande.


xxxtacy, "Mexican" is not a "race" it's a Nationality. So that means that only "Mexican Laborers" can be Wetbacks?
Cannot Brazillian, Guatemalian, San Salvadorian, or Colombian laborers be "Wetbacks" too?
How about Swedes, and Norwegians who cross the Rio Grande illegally?
Do all those other countries get a "pass?"
"Only" Mexicans can be "wetbacks?
Some people are too quick to use the term "Racist."
As we all learned in high school science class (or should have) there are only three "races;" Negroid, Mongoloid, Caucasoid.
Classifications like "Hispanic" or "Celtic" or "Berber" are *Ethnic groups* not "races" but can contain any of the three races.




xxxtacy -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 10:58:57 AM)

Ok, then wetback is an ethnic slur, not a racist slur, my mistake.




popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 11:04:08 AM)

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Ok, then wetback is an ethnic slur, not a racist slur, my mistake.


Wrong again!
Re-read my last post.

P.S. and Brazillians aren't "Hispanic."




xxxtacy -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 11:19:19 AM)

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Ok, then wetback is an ethnic slur, not a racist slur, my mistake.


Wrong again!
Re-read my last post.

P.S. and Brazillians aren't "Hispanic."


Ok, you're right, I'm wrong.  Is that better?  Does it really matter that much?  My whole point was that the term wetback is a derogatory slur and really has no place in this post.  I have not found anything that disproves that wetback is a derogatory slur. 




popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 11:32:16 AM)

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Ok, then wetback is an ethnic slur, not a racist slur, my mistake.


Wrong again!
Re-read my last post.

P.S. and Brazillians aren't "Hispanic."


Ok, you're right, I'm wrong.  Is that better?  Does it really matter that much?  My whole point was that the term wetback is a derogatory slur and really has no place in this post.  I have not found anything that disproves that wetback is a derogatory slur. 


xxxtacy, I'd say that if someone is "offended" by the term "wetback" then that's up to them. They can go off and sulk in the corner if they want.
Being of Irish decent and having dual American/Irish Citizenship if someone calls me a "Mick" it doesn't even bother me.
It's not a "racist" term, how could it be?
Now as far as "offending" someone who's in my country illegally OF COURSE I want to offend them! Fuck 'em! They're criminals.
If you enter this country through other than a "Legal Port of Entry" it's a Federal Felony and you can be arrested at any time.
I've called the Police on a bunch of them!
You just say the magic words; "gun" "drugs."




popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 12:47:48 PM)

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I agree, Level.  As Popeye said, that is what the term means; however, I've never heard it applied to a nonhispanic, soooooo, sorry. Popeye, it is a derogatory term.


Yep. And I know what it's intended to mean, but like I said, now it's overwhelmingly used as a slur. Not saying that you do, popeye, I'm talking in general.


Level, sure I understand that some people use it as a "slur" but as long as they  use it  to illegal aliens who really cares?
If it "offends" illegal aliens that's just too bad. They shouldn't even be here to hear it.
I mean what's next, calling rapists and murderers "animals" will be considered "slurs" too?
Do you see where this Political Correctness" leads?
We, of all people shouldn't be engaging in "political correctness" behaviour!
Personally, I think we need a law which makes "political correctness" a misdemeanor punishable by a $500 fine.
There's just no place in a "Free Society" for that type of "thought control."
And if people are "offended" tough.
"Go to your room and cry, you big fuckin' Baby!"
And "Wetback" or "Mick" are not even remotely close to the "N" word here!
The day that I worry about what illegal aliens, rapists, or murderers "think" is the day that I should put a gun to my head.




Jack45 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 1:18:19 PM)

Popeye maybe when guys like us see the t-shirts with BROWN PRIDE emblazoned on the front we should cry "HATER", whaddya think?
Or is it only White guys that have to watch Ps and Qs?
Is there a doublestandard?




Level -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 1:30:37 PM)

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Level, sure I understand that some people use it as a "slur" but as long as they  use it  to illegal aliens who really cares?
If it "offends" illegal aliens that's just too bad. They shouldn't even be here to hear it.
I mean what's next, calling rapists and murderers "animals" will be considered "slurs" too?
Do you see where this Political Correctness" leads?
We, of all people shouldn't be engaging in "political correctness" behaviour!
Personally, I think we need a law which makes "political correctness" a misdemeanor punishable by a $500 fine.
There's just no place in a "Free Society" for that type of "thought control."
And if people are "offended" tough.
"Go to your room and cry, you big fuckin' Baby!"
And "Wetback" or "Mick" are not even remotely close to the "N" word here!
The day that I worry about what illegal aliens, rapists, or murderers "think" is the day that I should put a gun to my head.


Popeye, I don't equate illegal aliens with rapists or murderers; most of them come here to better care for their families. So no, I don't want to offend them.
 
I agree that thought control sucks the big one. I hate censorship, but I also try to be polite (not always successfully lol).





SardonicAss -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 1:41:01 PM)

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I agree, I could have just ignored her; being human, I have flaws, like everyone. One of those is despising weasely behaviour, which she exhibited. But again, yes, I could have used a different tact.
 
For some, likely quite a few people, illegal immigration IS a racial issue, like it or not. Personally, I don't like illegal immigration, it hurts this country in many ways, but I understand why some break the law to get here. Tough situation with few clear-cut answers, in my opinion.
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Wrong. Sorry, try again. Illegal immigration is only a race issue for people "of race" who like to whine and cry and throw their lil race card to try and make those who are for obeying the law look racist. MANY MANY people have said they want immigrants to come here LEGALLY regardless of where they come from. By definition, that makes it not about race. It's about the lack of desire to be AMERICAN versus the desire to sneak in here, steal jobs, money and commit crimes free and clear and then scurry back to where ever they came from also free...from punishment.

It's always amusing to me how quickly something becomes a race issue when someone 'of race' throws the race card. You NEVER hear any white folks (aside from the obvious KKK and such) making references to race. The first ones to bring it up are almost ALWAYS the ones 'of race' who claim they are being slighted.

Example: Farmers Branch, Texas is literally down the street from me. In the papers and on the TV there were many news segments and stories about their vote on banning apartment complexes and realators from renting to illigal immigrants. Never once did those trying to get that bill passed make ANY reference AT ALL to 'race.' But lo and behold, the mexicans spoke up immediately saying how racist it was.

One radio host here who spoke with a proponent of the bill said "you never mentioned mexicans in that bill, did you, you mentioned illegal immigrants and all these mexicans raised their hands. Perhaps you should start carding folks at thos protests...might cure a lot of the problem.

It's funny how the guilty always self-identify based on one word. Sad, however that they have to resort to claiming racism to make their point....because otherwise they'd have none.

And for those of you attacking peepeegirl's use of wetback......you know, just about any country's citizens can be 'wetbacks' when they get here. Because they have to cross SOME body of water to get to this country, except maybe for Canada....which they may have a few rivers I'm not thinking of as well, so there you go. Wetback is made a racist term by those 'of race.' Just like the "n word"
you ask any black person what the difference is between a black person and a "n-----" and you get a dissertation on the differences. Even that cartoon "The Boondocks" had the main character go into a monologue about the differences between a black person and a "n-----" but oh NOOOOO have a white person say that word?? All hell breaks loose. Racism will never cease to be an issue until those 'of race' let it the fuck go.




cjenny -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 2:00:34 PM)

It tends to help if you know what the term represents.

 

  • "Wetback", A derogatory, slang term. Illegal Aliens in the United States, primarily applied to undocumented Mexican immigrants. Originally used in reference to a person crossing the U.S.-Mexico border by swimming across the Rio Grande.





  • Level -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 2:00:57 PM)

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    Wrong. Sorry, try again. Illegal immigration is only a race issue for people "of race" who like to whine and cry and throw their lil race card to try and make those who are for obeying the law look racist. MANY MANY people have said they want immigrants to come here LEGALLY regardless of where they come from. By definition, that makes it not about race......

    ........ Racism will never cease to be an issue until those 'of race' let it the fuck go.



    No, I'm not wrong. Many, many people don't like others of different races. Right? Right. So to think that no one looks at an issue like illegal immigration without a racial factor is ludicrous.
     
    Does EVERYONE that opposes illegal immigration do this? No, and I never said they did, did I?
     
    Now, the last comment, "racism will never cease to be an issue until those "of race" let it the fuck go." is often true. There are those that use race as a tool, a bludgeon, to get what they want. I'm not real happy with those folks, either.




    popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 2:35:29 PM)

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    Wrong. Sorry, try again. Illegal immigration is only a race issue for people "of race" who like to whine and cry and throw their lil race card to try and make those who are for obeying the law look racist. MANY MANY people have said they want immigrants to come here LEGALLY regardless of where they come from. By definition, that makes it not about race......

    ........ Racism will never cease to be an issue until those 'of race' let it the fuck go.



    No, I'm not wrong. Many, many people don't like others of different races. Right? Right. So to think that no one looks at an issue like illegal immigration without a racial factor is ludicrous.
     
    Does EVERYONE that opposes illegal immigration do this? No, and I never said they did, did I?
     
    Now, the last comment, "racism will never cease to be an issue until those "of race" let it the fuck go." is often true. There are those that use race as a tool, a bludgeon, to get what they want. I'm not real happy with those folks, either.


    Level, "Mexican" is not a race.
    Mexicans, unless they're Black can't claim any race card other than Caucaision!
    I don't know why they're trying to make up some phoney "race."
    But, that's all irrelevant anyway, I don't care what race someone is if they're here illegally they're an illegal alien. And that's all they are to me.
    I don't know what all that "Brown Power" stuff is. It doesn't mean anything!
    *"Race" is determined by anatomy, not skin color.*
    If I go around trying to call myself a different "race" by referring to myself as "Celtic" would anyone believe me?

    "GREEN POWER!"
    "You're white as a fucking bedsheet!"
    "Piss-Off you feckin Gobshite!"




    Bearlee -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 3:04:39 PM)

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    When i said "wetback" I was making a political statement, YOU are just a potty mouth.  


    < Looks up the girl's nic.  Looks back to the words she typed.>
     
    Okay, I can't help but ask...you have a problem with 'potty mouth'?
     
     
    Oh, and does that mean the illegal from Cuba are (often) niggers?  Those from other countries are ragheads, sandfleas, drovs....I could go on but I'm running out of asterisks!
     
    The point is…the term you used points solely to Mexicans and is most certainly a derogatory term.  Google it.  Also, Mexicans, while perhaps the greatest percentage, are not the only folks who come to the US illegally; so your 'politicol' reasoning doesn't stand.
     
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    Edited to say:  Yes, I removed the asterisks; ugly words are not at all prettied up with fancy little stars!  Bah...!!!




    popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 3:10:11 PM)

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    ORIGINAL: cjenny

    It tends to help if you know what the term represents.

     
  • "Wetback", A derogatory, slang term. Illegal Aliens in the United States, primarily applied to undocumented Mexican immigrants. Originally used in reference to a person crossing the U.S.-Mexico border by swimming across the Rio Grande.




  • Gee, we wouldn't want to "offend" illegal aliens, would we? (Sarcasm intended)




    minnetar -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 3:14:42 PM)

    What is wrong with a concern about another's feelings?  You are against someone having some empathy? 

    minnetar




    popeye1250 -> RE: Immigration crackdown, its about time. (5/20/2007 3:30:37 PM)

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    What is wrong with a concern about another's feelings?  You are against someone having some empathy? 

    minnetar



    Minnetar, no, not if they're in my country illegally! lol




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