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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
Call me lazy but i didn't read each and every post. What amazes me is the number of submissives who in so many words declare that they will submit only if they get to be totally in charge all of the time. Reminds me of instant decaf flavored coffee with 5 sugars.
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ORIGINAL: BoyLover
Yeah, it is lazy to just add your opinion when u haven't read the entire thread. That's ok; I'm now used to ppl just sticking in their head where it don't belong cuz they got nothing better to do than play Devil's Advocate all day.
Actually, I believe some people troll the threads looking to insert smart ass remarks they crafted while drinking 5 cups of high test coffee each with 10 sugars. That's why I make it a point to not post until I'm on my 3rd pot of coffee for the day and I don't use sugar unless I have no choice but to drink decaf. Sugar covers up that Yucky after taste. But seriously, I have a few comments to make on this latest post.
Actually, I believe all legal consentual D/s and M/s relationships are really instant decaf flavored coffee with 5 sugars.
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Just because your idea of a submissive is someone who only does things for someone else's pleasure, doesn't mean everyone else feels the same.
In my Book a submissive, is one that desires to do things for somebody elses they deeply love and care about. The submissive also positive support and guidence and Direction in life from the Dom. Notiice said positive! In terms of BDSM scene play this is all fantasy stuff lived out in scenes and in the bedroom. This should be fullfilling to both the submissive and Dom together, and why it's important they are like minded.
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In the end, we all do things for our OWN pleasure; ultimately the sub wants to get off.
This deadly true! A submissive will take pleasure in pleasing a Dom, a submissive will take pleasure in the comfort and strenght of a Dom, A submissive will take pleasure and delight in things they do for themselves or others.
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Who cares if the Dom dictates the whole thing? It's all a mind game anyway.
I think the point the OP is making her, is that D/s relationships are consentual and not forced. I myself tend to seperate D/s and M/s style relationships from one another based on Power Levels exchange. I don't view D/s relationship as being Master Slave relationships. Slavery is not involved in D/s relationships, because only Partial Power is exchanged and the type of power exchanged in negotiated. It appears the OP is equating D/s with Master/slave style relationships. In any case, The Master/slave relationship is not true slavery, it's a 24/7 role playing relationship. Even D/s relationships are role playing relationships, where the roles are established and then carried out and lived. The fact remains that true slavery is outlawed and women have legal rights these days. Not the old school D/s relationship dynamics of a couple hundred years ago, when women did not have the rights they do as today. Back in those days true D/s existed.
All legal consentual D/s and M/s relationships are really instant decaf flavored coffee with 5 sugars. Hell even the people that of the OLD Guard school of thought believe this about most BDSM D/s relationships today. I suspect a lot of Goreans view it this way as well. Watered Down D/s light or M/s light. Let's face it! It's not True D/s or Slavery. It's a relationship dynamic that's agreed to by two people, and role played out as being the real thing. Hence Why it's call Consentual.
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Unless you are unfortunate to become a victim of the human slave trade, then you have no friggin clue what it means to be a real slave. Ppl can label themselves that but it's just a game. We all know there are real slaves in this world and I don't think anyone really wants to become one.
I personally know somebody close to me that was a victim of the human slave trade, and she's a totally changed person. People have no idea in hell what it means to be truely broken down as a human being, unless they experience it or know somebody before and after it's happened to them. So all this D/s and M/s is just pussy foot role playing of the real thing for the most part. Sure, there are people in this lifestyle that work really hard towards making it as real as they can. Some in fact do make it real, however it's still consentual. Not quite the real things but damn close. It's still decaf coffee no matter how hard and fast you drink it.
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So I think ppl can make the rules any damn way they want!
This is what happens in most BDSM relationships, the roles and rules and conditions get worked out and everything goes from there. Some people play by Old Guard Rules, Some by the Gorean Rules, some create our own rules to suit our our tastse and our partners taste. Most D/s relationships are Negotiated before they start. Hell, it's not like the old days when ones parents promised their childred off into marriage! Arranged Marriages! Now let's talk about true D/s. Where a women had no choice in the matter.
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I was taught to depend on myself; a partner, b/f, husband, master, dom, sir, is an addition to my life---not a necessity than I cannot survive without.
Case in point that many Doms/Masters need to realize. That D/s relationships are consentual, the sub/slave has the right to pick and choose who she wants to be with. The sub/slave has the right to set limits. The sub/slave has the legal right to exit the relationship at any time. The sub/slave has the power to terminate the relationship or place demands and have wants. D/s relationships these days are often two way streets! Hell, there are sub/slaves that Leave their Dom/Masters over not being humilated or used enough. Face it, a Masochistic submissive that simply is not feeling the loving pain from her Dom/Master will get upset about it because She Enjoys Pain. I thought I'd use this for a classic example where if the Dom/Master is failing to be an Uber BDSM Dom/master the submissive may up and leave. Also, if the sub/slave is not into recieving pain and their Dom/Master is extremely Sadistic.. Guess what? The sub/slave might say enough is enough.
Us Domly Doms have on Hell of a balancing act to pull off at times. We have to be loving, kind, cruel, abusive and the right mixture of many things to be the right Dom for any given submissive. Else guess what, she can up and legally leave or end things. It's a too way street, us Doms can give the sub/slave the boot as well. In all honestly even D/s or M/s relationships are a two way street with mutal interests.
Sure, it's great that some women desire to become no limits TPE slaves. However this is a lot easier said then done. 24/7 TPE Master/slave relationships are perhaps the hardest relationships to maintain. A lot of time, work and engery is invested into 24/7 TPE M/s relationships. I'm certain anybody who's done 24/7 TPE knows all too well what I'm talking about. It's ironic because many people expect for M/s relationships to be easier compared to D/s partial power exchanges.
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