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RE: Age and honesty - 6/10/2005 10:42:47 AM   
Authentic


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Status: offline 		For some unknown reason, people here want to answer a well posed question with the comment "well men lie too." Am I missing something? Age in an of itself matters, but if you choose to ignore it, it is your own choice, unless that woman lies. If she lies, you are stripped of your choice. She is makig the choice for you, which is why all woman lie. And no, men do not lie as often as women because we do not feel the need to.

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/10/2005 11:17:39 PM   
SweetDommes


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Status: offline 		My entire arguement is not that men lie too it is more that not all women lie, because not all of us do. If you have only become involved with women who lie, perhaps you need to look for different women. Holly and I do not lie - I'm sure that you don't believe me, because you are convinced that all women lie, but you know what, you are wrong.

This is NOT a gender thing - it is a personality thing. That is really what my argument has been all along.

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/11/2005 4:27:42 PM   
FerDeLance


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Status: offline 		Not all women lie, but the vast majority do, especially about age and weight. Do not expect honesty if what you say to a man is a bold faced lie.

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/11/2005 11:45:50 PM   
SweetDommes


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Status: offline 		I think it's rather unfair to even generalize to the "vast majority" ... I can list multiple on this site who are honest about who and what they are, and I know many more in real life who are as well. Just because you (general "you" here) are attracted to and/or interact mostly with women who lie doesn't mean that all, or even most women do.

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 12:39:47 AM   
FerDeLance


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Status: offline 		This is a discussion, not personal. You say you know some honest people here, and some perhpas are even women. I still have to differ, women as a whole lie about age, and weight, and who knows what else. It's just the way it is. Just look at the profile pictures and the ages, they never, and I mean never match for women. You can't defend a lie, its impossible.


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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 12:51:34 AM   
SweetDommes


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Status: offline 		I am not defending lies - I am defending my gender and myself. We are NOT all liars simply by virtue of having two X chromosomes instead of one X and one Y.

My problem with your statement about the pictures is that when I used to tell people how much I weighed, they would all say "no way, you don't look that big" - males and females both would react this way so it wasn't another case of women lying to me. If I asked someone how much they thought I weighed, they would be off by about 50-70lbs (sometimes more). For some reason, people don't seem to have a real concept of how big someone who weighs 200lbs, 250lbs, or 300lbs truly is. So saying that someone's picture doesn't match their weight ... you can't always judge by a picture. Get the scale out and take a picture of that - then I'll say that pictures are accurate (and even that won't always work ... take one of the scales at my job for instance, it always weighs people at 10lbs over what they really are ... and at my old job, there was one that always weighed people 7lbs lighter than they really are). As for ages - there are a lot of things that people do for the sake of "beauty" that age the skin - things like tanning will make someone look older than they are. Some things, like smoking, will also "age" a person before his/her time. Things are quite subjective.

Please note, however, that I am still NOT advocating lying. I still completely agree that it is wrong. However, I also still maintain that NOT ALL WOMEN LIE.

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 12:57:22 AM   
BlkTallFullfig


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Status: offline 		Where is your picture sir?? I'd love to see.
Why hide behind anonymity of internet just to yank our chains?? Why not put up your photo and say feast on this all you male truth tellers, and give the finger to all women??
Besides, you're 48yo, so unless a woman is 70, she really shouldn't worry about being way too old for you, should she?? M

< Message edited by BlkTallFullfig -- 6/12/2005 1:12:48 AM >

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 1:11:44 AM   
FerDeLance


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Status: offline 		You asked where my picture is, I ask where is yours? Hiding your face are you?

In answer to the weight issue, realize, I do not have a problem with a woman's weight, what a woman weighs is a matter of genetics nothing more. I can, and do look past weight, but I do not look past someone who lies. My point is that 250 lbs is always 250 lbs. Yes, some people look good at that weight, some not so good. When you lie though, you have stripped the person you lied to of his ability to judge for himself. Cause you look like you weigh less does not mean you can tell everyone you do. Same with age. It matters. What if a man wants children? A woman says she is 40 yet she is actually 50. He may waste his life on her because of a lie? How is that fair. No, women lie, they do, just ask anyone.

< Message edited by FerDeLance -- 6/12/2005 1:13:30 AM >

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 1:16:10 AM   
BlkTallFullfig


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quote:

ORIGINAL: FerDeLance
You asked where my picture is, I ask where is yours? Hiding your face are you?

Hey I'm no longer defending anything since you're convinced we lie... I'm just wondering why you're so timid about showing the truth about who you are... Everyone who knows me, and I want to have know me, sees my pics.. M

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 1:31:32 AM   
FerDeLance


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Status: offline 		Most single women feel if they are honest about age and provide a current photo, they won’t get a date. To improve their chances, they lie, lose a few years, use an old picture, whatever it takes. But since age is a major deciding factor of a woman’s desirability for a man, don’t you realize your gonna get caught? Every women who has written here have essentially said “Men lie, so why can't we?” Here’s how come, if you lie about age how about health issues? Scary huh.

I have a hard time believing anything a woman says if she'd lied to me even once. Honesty shows courage and self-confidence. This is why women lie, as a whole women lack self confidence.

About pictures, mine is always available upon request, but unlike some, I do show my face hahahahahahaha

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 1:36:59 AM   
BlkTallFullfig


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Status: offline 		I'm requesting...
There's a very simple solution to your dislike of women my dear...
That forced bi, remove the idea from your head that it needs to be coerced out of you, and go to town with men... We'll all be better off for it..

< Message edited by BlkTallFullfig -- 6/12/2005 1:39:10 AM >

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 1:48:19 AM   
ElektraUkM


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Status: offline 		Why do women lie about their age? It's really very simple, IMHO

It's because (most) men are overly concerned with a woman's age, making it an issue.

Now there is some sense in that, IF the man is interested in having children with the woman ~ that's a fairly age-dependant thing, and you'd expect some interest in a woman's biological age. But somehow, this concern with having a younger woman has become more than that, so that pure AGE (the number) is important as a characteristic of a woman. And since age is (to a degree greater than has been admitted by most posters here) an easy thing to lie about, then ... ahem... lies are going to be told.

Add to this the fact that AGE is one of those stupid, general questions we get asked EVERY time we sign up to something ~ and it's one of those stupid, general things that we can type into a search criteria. Making it seem even more relevant to life.

Men don't lie so anywhere near so often about their age because women don't tend to be overly bothered about a man's age when looking for a partner (I'm generalising). It's NOT because men are pure as the driven snow when it comes to lying, it's just this is ONE area men don't feel they have to lie about (now talk about salary, whether they're married, etc. etc. and you have a whole different picture. IN GENERAL...)

The one exception I've found to that is in very young men pretending to me that they're OLDER than they actually are in order to get with an Older Woman... haha.

Personally, I don't lie about my age. I could do, but I don't. I'm told I look a lot younger than my 42 years, and I do. People accuse me all the time of lying about my age, but for a different reason than we're concerned with here. lol.

~ Elektra

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 3:16:17 AM   
GoddessSasha


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quote:

Just look at the profile pictures and the ages, they never, and I mean never match for women.


Never is a definitive word isnt it? have a look at my profile the picture is less than a year old and I am 46 and proud of it as I have recently become a grandmother and there can be no sweeter feeling other than when I had my own child at the age of 19 I was born in 1959 and wish I had been born earlier so that I had experienced the sixties as an adult rather than a child
Care to withdraw that Never now FerDeLance?

My weight isnt featured on My profile because it fluctuates from week to week although not as much as it did when I had bulemia (could that possibly have related to the way I was treated when married - oops no couldnt possibly have been a man who caused me to feel that way - bad bad woman for blaming someone else tut!) Its currently 14 and a half stones 14 lbs to the stone you work it out frankly its less important to me now than other stuff happening in the world.

quote:

But since age is a major deciding factor of a woman’s desirability for a man, don’t you realize your gonna get caught? Every women who has written here have essentially said “Men lie, so why can't we?”


personally Im not here because I give a toss about whether a man finds me desirable or not love, because Im desirable to me and those I care about and if a man lies or a woman lies so be it then if I discover that lie I then make an informed decision about whether or not to continue the communication.

Perhaps rather than the issue of lying you might consider the issue of being shallow as the number of people here who are merely after a sexual encounter once or more are countless. Although of course their profiles thinly disguise this often as an offer to serve (but only orally/forced/anally blah blah blah) but then you might have to criticise yourself for that one and we cant have that can we.

And before you counter that one with criticism about my profile as you did to BlkTallFullfig - waste the time typing if you so desire, I actually dont care, Im open and honest and as such expect criticism and the abuse I have received - lifes a bitch sometimes but then so am I.

Maybe now I am taking an active part in these boards which I find fascinating as an aspect of collarme I shall learn eventually to ignore someone who deliberately sets out to inflame its participants, but then I always did tend to get involved in a good argument even if the reasoning wasnt particularly well thought out and backed up by fact.

Sometimes I guess a battle of wits with an oponent as clearly unarmed as yourself is just what it should be - fun!

Thanks for the laugh - Sunday mornings are sometimes a little dull for this old fat bird
PMSL

Hope everyone has a wonderful day wherever you are whoever you are with and whatever lies or truth you are telling

hugs
Sasha


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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 4:59:52 AM   
MissMarmaladolly


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Status: offline 		Hm hm hm; I honestly think it's more of a vice to portray yourself as omniscient and entwine yourself in the binding illusion of quasi-authority than lie about your age. Perhaps its karma, you know -- maybe you should delve into your depths and learn about /yourself/ before you shun others.

And yes, I really am a fairy. Hush, hush.


EDIT: Oh, and Authethic, that wasn't in reply to you, but the starter of the thread.

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 5:09:56 AM   
RandBcouple


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Authentic

Lets get right to it. All woman lie about their age after menapause. "I'm 40" yeah right! It makes me sick to read the justifications here? Hey get real.


not me...i don't think i'd ever lie about my age....about my weight, maybe...but my age? Well, maybe when i'm older i'll start shaving off some years but i just don't see that happening. I really do not agree that it's a female thing, haven't you seen many of the older men on this site that have those pictures of themselves which you can obviously tell they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay older than what they claim to be. How about those pictures you see of people that were taken like in the 70's and are trying to be passed off as recent photos lol. They're only kidding themselves.

Ruffneck's babygirl

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 9:10:45 AM   
FerDeLance


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Status: offline 		Actually your ramblings prove my point! Me thinks you doth protest too much…

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 9:18:58 AM   
Authentic


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Status: offline 		You are blessed to be as young as you are. I have one word for the 60's and early 70's, DRAFT. As you can tell this is an interesting discussion because of the justifications being made, not because of the topic. It is a sore spot for women to think they lie, yet they usually do. After all sons have to learn to lie from somebody.


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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 9:33:56 AM   
pygmalionsub


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Status: offline 		This is my first post but i would like to point out a few things.

1. Never judge ones age by a picture. My husband looks a good 10 years older then his actual age , mostly because of his full beard. Also people who have had prolonged exposure to the sun , smoke, etc may look older then thier actual age etc. So until you meet them in person and take a look at their DL or birth certificate, don't ASSUME because you THINK they look older/younger then their stated age. I have been accussed of being younger then my age, and i'm obviously not going to send copies of my birth certificate across the internet to prove i'm not lying.

2. just for kicks, but here are some things that Men have lied to me about.

* being Married
*having children
* where they live
* the amount of experience they have in the lifestyle
* saying they aren't into just kinky sex


3. I don't and never have lied about my age.

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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 11:06:19 AM   
Homewrecker


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Status: offline 		Your list of lies exactly matches women who have lied to me here. Women have lied to me about age, weight, drug and substance dependency, education level, job status and every other possible thing you can imagine. And ever ask a woman if her hair is, gulp, natural? In one word, grey shhhhhhhh.

I come from Boston, have several “real” post graduate degrees. When a woman tells me she is “educated” it means “Not” to me. Such poor use of grammar, raises a red flag. Its “well educated” ladies, “well educated”. I can no more deal with a high school dropout who has been a waitress for 20 years than I can deal with a coconut. After all you can’t hold an intelligent conversation with either.

Pro-dommes, well there are a few real one yes, but how can you find them with all the prostitutes? If women here want a cause, this is a good one. Get rid of the prostitutes masquerading as pro-dommes. But no, that’s female bashing, can’t have that can we?

If you ask a woman about her ex, she will tell you he did this to her and he did that to her. It’s never their fault. Soon as I hear that I run for my life.

My favorite female self delusion here is “magic.” They are all Witches, Druids, Wiccan warrioress or some such thing. It’s a world plot really. Ladies stop watching Buffy The Vampire Slayer, it was entertainment, not reality.

Finally women here all want to be right. It’s as if being wrong doesn’t exist for them. Humans, men and woman make mistakes and are often wrong. Not me of course…

See!


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RE: Age and honesty - 6/12/2005 11:35:14 AM   
pygmalionsub


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Status: offline 		See, its amazing that i can take your post and say i have had the same experience with Male doms. Simple fact is people create their own realities.


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