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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/18/2007 9:30:02 PM

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Sounds HOT!..but only if the woman knows how to humiliate without long term harm.

I, personally, think that this is the real problem. If she was just some 'other' woman, without any training or such... it could be very harmful.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 12:05:21 AM

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Ok, say he wanted to do it to enforce the fact that the sub is owned by him .. what would that make it?

What sense does it make? None, to me whatsoever. As Forrest Gump would say... ".. and that's all I've got to say about that."

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 7:11:56 AM

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It would worry me greatly, because it would mean my Dom has become suicidal. Becuase as soon as I was out of that chair he'd be out of this world. We're exclusive, so breaking that is a hard limit. And to have her humiliate me while I was helpless - another hard limit.

But that's just us, I can see how it would be exciting on a certain level.

It would also depress me, because while I'm watching them I'd have to work out all the boring details - what to use, whether to take her out as well, how to limit the blood seepage, where to dispose of the bodies.... Honestly, it's all work, work, work.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 7:57:02 AM

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slave girls must obey her master ,you should thank him for all the hard work he did puting this show on .drop to your knees and kiss he feet and said thank sir

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 9:18:50 AM

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slave girls must obey her master ,you should thank him for all the hard work he did puting this show on .drop to your knees and kiss he feet and said thank sir

Now that's just funny.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 10:29:14 AM

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slave girls must obey her master ,you should thank him for all the hard work he did puting this show on .drop to your knees and kiss he feet and said thank sir

Now that's just funny.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 10:35:40 AM

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It could have that effect, it could also just be he wants to fuck another girl. I'm much more of a cut to the chase person, if you want to fuck, just say so. We don't need to dress it up and take it out for drinks. If it were my owner I'd be thrilled and it wouldn't be to teach me anything, it would be because he thought she was hot and wanted to screw her.

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I don't know what she could say to humiliate me. I'd be far to focused on him using her to notice.

first BeingChewsie, this isn't directed to you in particular, just your post sparked some thoughts for me.

i've noticed that many have zeroed in on the Master using another sub angle, however the biggie to me would be the humiliation aspect. if the OP had asked, "how would you feel if you were tied to a chair and forced to watch your Master use another submissive?" then my answer would have been far different. i'd find such a scenario interesting and welcome, as so far i've never had the chance to really watch my Master use someone else. it wouldn't be arousing because i'm not that easily turned on. however it certainly wouldn't be anything that would evoke any feelings of jealousy, insecurity, etc. it'd be more like, "oh, this is cool."

but that wasn't what was asked...the scenario was about him using another girl, and this girl humiliating the slave. that would deeply disturb me on sooooo many levels. first i'd feel my Master was a terrible liar, and that much of our relationship including his entire training and conditioning of me had been a big ol' lie. as he has always made it absolutely clear that he not only has zero attraction to unsubmissive women, but is very much repulsed by the very idea of female dominance and/or aggressiveness, which is what such a humiliation scenario would be. so with me watching or not, him using a female who would be capable of humiliating (or at least trying to) another female in such a way would be enough to devastate me. thankfully this is not something that would ever happen.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 11:49:03 AM

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What if the humiliation the other woman was doing was merely in obedience to something your Master had said to do, then it wouldn't be dominance, it would be obedience? Would that make a difference.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 11:54:01 AM

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Obeying to top is still topping.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 12:05:30 PM

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But would it not also be submitting? As the person is submitting to the will of the person who wants them to top another?

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 12:13:13 PM

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But would it not also be submitting? As the person is submitting to the will of the person who wants them to top another?

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yes it may be an act of submission, but that does not make it an act of submissiveness. in my Master's view (and mine of course) a submissive would be unable to obey an order to top anyone, just as they would be unable to spread their arms and fly to the moon. their submissive nature would make it physically impossible for them to fulfill such a command. if they ARE able to fulfill such a command, then they are not a submissive, and therefore not a woman he would find sexually appealing.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 12:42:42 PM

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i have a feeling that this is an area that we would disagree upon, if One that i serve told me to do something that i have absolutely no desire to do, except that He has said to do it and i am obeying Him, then to me the root of that act is submissiveness, my submissiveness to Him. i also do not believe that a person who is submissive can not operate under transferred authority, ie. a first slave assisting in the training of a second slave in obedience to her Master's command and desire for her to do so, even when she would have no desire to train another on her own. Again i have a feeling that this would be an area on which we would disagree. Thank you for giving me your perspective on my question.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 12:48:01 PM

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While I disagree that someone doing ANY sort of act in dominance to another somehow makes them "not a submissive" I do understand their perspective that topping from obedience is still topping and not acceptable for them in their relationship.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 1:17:26 PM

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i have a feeling that this is an area that we would disagree upon, if One that i serve told me to do something that i have absolutely no desire to do, except that He has said to do it and i am obeying Him, then to me the root of that act is submissiveness, my submissiveness to Him. i also do not believe that a person who is submissive can not operate under transferred authority, ie. a first slave assisting in the training of a second slave in obedience to her Master's command and desire for her to do so, even when she would have no desire to train another on her own. Again i have a feeling that this would be an area on which we would disagree. Thank you for giving me your perspective on my question.

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yes it may be that we disagree, or it may be that we are coming at this from very different perspectives. in your first sentence, where you say that if the One you serve commanded you to do something you had absolutely no desire to do and still do it, then iyo your obedience is due to your submissiveness. and this may very well be your truth. however i think our different viewpoints here come mainly from 2 things, which are highlighted in that statement of yours. 1, my Master and i do not believe that submissiveness necessarily has anything at all to do with desire. meaning, it's not about what we (submissives) like or don't like, we just submit because this is our nature. 2, obedience is not the same thing as submissiveness. my Master is technically submitting to a police officer when he is told to present his license and complies. however, this compliance, this obedience, does not make him a submissive. my Master is only attracted to those who have a submissive nature, not simply those who are capable of the act of submitting.

as far as your example of one slave training another in certain duties under the Master's command, such a thing is possible without the first slave having any authority over the other. for ex., if my Master were to obtain another slave, he may order me to help guide and train her in certain domestic duties, however i would not be "alpha" slave to her, and would have no more authority over her than she'd have over me. this again would be due to my Master's desire to have a submissive slave/partner, and lack of desire for a slave/partner that was not submissive (in nature, not action). we realize others may operate differently.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 1:51:15 PM

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While I disagree that someone doing ANY sort of act in dominance to another somehow makes them "not a submissive" I do understand their perspective that topping from obedience is still topping and not acceptable for them in their relationship

I totally agree. If it's not something one finds acceptable, that's well and good. I'm a little confused, however, about the "impossibility" of being able to do it. It's not my natural inclination to dominate another in such a scenario as we are discussing but it IS possible. No, I can't spread my arms and fly to the moon as was noted. But I can (despite the depth of my natural submissiveness), obey my Master if and when He instructs me to top another (or bottom to another or stand on my head and gargle peanut butter, for that matter

). And the very reason I can do it is because of my submissiveness to Him - that enables me to follow all His orders and obey them despite the fact that they may be in opposition to my natural inclinations.

It has been stated that submissiveness has nothing to do with desire and isn't about what we as subs/slaves like or don't like. I happen to very much agree with that statement. It has also been noted that we then submit because it is our nature to do so. Again, not much to disagree with there. My question then becomes: If submitting to anything we are told to do by our dom/master is our nature and has nothing to do with our own desires, then how could we NOT submit when instructed to top another? For me, that would come alot closer to being impossible than the act of topping someone.

Though it may go against every inborn instinct and desire I have, it is not physically impossible. Master could stand over me and instruct me every step of the way or type me a list to follow

. Regardless, it can and would be done. It was said that, in one couple's opinion, if a sub/slave IS able to obey such an order, then they are not a submissive. Master and I could not possibly disagree more. To Him it is vital that, as His slave, I always demonstrate total obedience. If He instructs me to do anything and I say it's impossible (unless it really IS physically impossible such as flapping my way to the moon via my own arms), that is disobedience pure and simple. That is failing to even try to do what I have been instructed to do. Behavior like that would have more of a chance of being considered not "submissive" by Him than would the act of obeying Him in topping another. Such different perspectives.............slave luci

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 2:13:35 PM

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slaveluci, if i were to tell my Master "that's not possible" to any order he gave, he also would view that as disobedience as well and would punish me dearly for it. i am always expected to try my best, no matter what. but try as i might, it would not be possible for me to obey an order to top. it is not because i have no desire to top or i feel it is un-slavelike to top. it is because my nature would simply prevent me from doing so. if yours would not, fine. we are all different.

again i think that some are equating obedience and compliance to commands to submissiveness. if one wants only one who will submit (be obedient, comply), then of course they should be able to top another on command because is their job simply to submit. however if one wants obedience from one who is submissive by nature that changes things a bit. simply following orders doesn't make one a submissive any more than giving orders makes one Dominant.

another difference in perspective here, at least between you and i, slaveluci, could be that for you your submissiveness is tied to a specific individual (your Master), and for me it is not. if my submissiveness were tied to my Master, and i was wired to submit only to him, then of course i'd be able to top others at his command. but fortunately for me he has never desired a slave who was wired to only submit to him. if a particular woman was able to submit to him, and then turn around and dominate people on the job, or top another submissive on command, he would view that as submissive within bounds, and not as "a submissive", and therefore would be unattracted to such a person sexually. but again those are just our views, not to be taken as gospel for anyone else.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 4:45:25 PM

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slaveluci, if i were to tell my Master "that's not possible" to any order he gave, he also would view that as disobedience as well and would punish me dearly for it. i am always expected to try my best, no matter what. but try as i might, it would not be possible for me to obey an order to top. it is not because i have no desire to top or i feel it is un-slavelike to top. it is because my nature would simply prevent me from doing so. if yours would not, fine. we are all different.

But I still don't believe that. Your "nature" as a submissive is not so special or unique that no one else can relate to it. Lots of people are every bit as submissive and have just as submissive of a nature. You have said on numerous occasions that you just don't have any "survival instinct" so I won't use you in this example. But...for example...imagine this.....a slave is ordered to do something and she simply finds it "not possible" due to her "nature." Promptly, a loaded .357 is pulled out , shoved to her temple, and she is told "do it." It would take about 2 seconds for most slaves to realize that it just very well might be possible

(unless of course it's the flying to the moon example from earlier which truly IS impossible). That to me would show a very clear distinction between what is truly physically impossible and what is just so uncomfortable or unlike me that I "can't" possibly do it.

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again i think that some are equating obedience and compliance to commands to submissiveness

Some may be. I am not.

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if one wants only one who will submit (be obedient, comply), then of course they should be able to top another on command because is their job simply to submit. however if one wants obedience from one who is submissive by nature that changes things a bit. simply following orders doesn't make one a submissive any more than giving orders makes one Dominant

Master doesn't want "only one who will submit". He also wants "obedience from one who is submissive by nature". He gets both. It's not my job "simply to submit" because I'm told to. I submit to Him because I love Him, wish to obey and please Him, and because it's my nature. You are making a huge assumption when you are saying "of course they should be able to top another on command because it's their job simply to submit." That's a big generalization - that anyone who obeys an order to top another just does so because that's their job to do as told, not because they are by nature (like you) submissive. Just because you wouldn't be able to obey an order to do so doesn't mean others can't or won't. And it certainly doesn't mean they aren't "submissive by nature" because they have it within them to obey an order to top another.

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another difference in perspective here, at least between you and i, slaveluci, could be that for you your submissiveness is tied to a specific individual (your Master), and for me it is not.

Absolutely true.

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if my submissiveness were tied to my Master, and i was wired to submit only to him, then of course i'd be able to top others at his command. but fortunately for me he has never desired a slave who was wired to only submit to him. if a particular woman was able to submit to him, and then turn around and dominate people on the job, or top another submissive on command, he would view that as submissive within bounds, and not as "a submissive"

I'm well aware of that. Rarely a debate between us goes by where that fact isn't tossed in. Your master (and thus you) see anyone who can be submissive to their master and then have any assertiveness in any other situation as less than a real submissive. The last time we conversed, I pointed out that you seem to be quite assertive yourself here on these forums but that was glossed over

. Nonetheless, regardless of your all's feelings that me and many, many others are "submissive within bounds," fortunately for me, as you say, my Master doesn't desire a slave who will submit to anyone. He enjoys the fact that He alone is my Master and that I don't obey when just anyone snaps their fingers. Again, differences in what masters desire in their slaves, of course.......slave luci

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 5:17:43 PM

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I see humiliation as an act of sadism not an act of dominance. I am not a dominant person but I am a sadistic person. So I have no problem hurting females, I truly and deeply enjoy hurting them.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 5:23:38 PM

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I see humiliation as an act of sadism not an act of dominance. I am not a dominant person but I am a sadistic person. So I have no problem hurting females, I truly and deeply enjoy hurting them.

Yikes

.....I'm afraid of you....lol....Seriously, it's cool that you are so aware of your desire to do so. I'm not really sadistic by nature but there are certain females I wouldn't mind slapping around a bit

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 6:06:47 PM

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slaveluci, i just tried responding to a couple of your points privately, via PM, as i don't think they're necessarily relevant to any board topic...but it seems i've been blocked! anywho, to be brief:

first, my Master does not feel that i express myself assertively on the message boards or any place else, however it's important to him that i'm always honest, courteous, and show pride in our ways and beliefs and express them without any shame or apologies. that can sometimes come across as offensive to some, however it is not meant to be.

second, i've never stated that i have no survival instinct. i've stated that not everyone has a survival instinct, and that of those who do, it can express itself in different forms. with me, my survival instinct has always been to submit. in the scenario with the gun to my head as i was being ordered to top, while i would again try to do as told, i would fail and end up shot in the head i suppose. lucky for me, my Master would never give such an order, much less hold a gun to my head. if he were going to kill me, it'd be something much more painful and hands-on, lol.

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