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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 6:32:20 PM   
slaveluci


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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247
slaveluci, i just tried responding to a couple of your points privately, via PM, as i don't think they're necessarily relevant to any board topic...but it seems i've been blocked! anywho, to be brief:

I don't know why it said you were blocked as I have never blocked anyone from sending PM's.  At one point a long while back, I had blocked your forum posts as we were disagreeing to the point that I didn't feel it was healthy for either of us...lol...but that lasted about a day or two and I unblocked it.  I'm not sure why it said blocked but I welcome your messages.
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first, my Master does not feel that i express myself assertively on the message boards or any place else, however it's important to him that i'm always honest, courteous, and show pride in our ways and beliefs and express them without any shame or apologies. that can sometimes come across as offensive to some, however it is not meant to be

Understandable.  That doesn't mean that no one will ever see you as assertive.  BTW - assertive is a great thing to me - no shame in it.  It's certainly very different from "aggressive" which I think sometimes gets confused with "assertive."
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second, i've never stated that i have no survival instinct. i've stated that not everyone has a survival instinct, and that of those who do, it can express itself in different forms. with me, my survival instinct has always been to submit. in the scenario with the gun to my head as i was being ordered to top, while i would again try to do as told, i would fail and end up shot in the head i suppose

But why would you fail?  That's what I simply don't understand.  You mean to tell me you are so true to your submissive nature in general that you would disobey your master's instructions to that degree?  It just doesn't make sense.  Oh well, guess it doesn't need to make any sense to me.  I'm not the one whose giving you the orders.
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 lucky for me, my Master would never give such an order, much less hold a gun to my head. if he were going to kill me, it'd be something much more painful and hands-on, lol.

Yeah, I don't know of any masters who would do that.  Obviously, it was a far-fetched example.  The "stew" route would probably be more the route he'd take, huh.
As always, we approach our slavery from very different angles.  One thing I'll say for you though is you sure keep my blood pumping.  I don't know that we will ever really agree on many things but I do believe that we both have our master's happiness first and foremost in our minds and hearts.......as much as I vehemently disagree with you, best to you, daddysprop...........luci






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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 6:44:51 PM   
daddysprop247


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Status: offline 		woo hoo! tried it again and it sent, thanks. :)

now as to why it would be impossible for me to obey an order to top, perhaps i can't adequately explain it, all i can say is that something within me would simply prevent me from going through with it. just as there are some who, despite their efforts and desire to do so, find themselves physically unable to kill.  

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 6:52:47 PM   
slaveluci


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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247
woo hoo! tried it again and it sent, thanks. :)

Good.  Don't know what the problem was but sometimes glitches happen here.
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now as to why it would be impossible for me to obey an order to top, perhaps i can't adequately explain it, all i can say is that something within me would simply prevent me from going through with it. just as there are some who, despite their efforts and desire to do so, find themselves physically unable to kill.

Good example.  It's not that you even have to explain it, of course, it's just that I was curious as to why.  I think the example of being unable to kill is a good analogy.  Though we all would technically be able to physically pull a trigger, swing an ax, etc., many people would simply be unable to go through with it for a plethora of reasons.  Makes sense...........luci  

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 6:55:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveluci

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i feel like the Dom is just using His power as a Dom to screw other women when it comes to things like this

Gee, ya think?  If this was my Master and me, He would be doing it because He wanted to - because He wanted to use the other woman, enjoy her, and play out a fantasy of His (and mine). 

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The only way i would be able to deal with something like this is if my Dom explained His intentions

Master would never go about fulfilling such a fantasy by trying to convince me He was doing it for some "noble" reason.  It wouldn't be to punish me, train me, teach me anything, mold or shape me or any other bogus claim.  It would simply be for His pleasure (and thus mine).  Those would be His intentions and those are all that are necessary.

Edited to add:  Master just said that He would have no problem explaining His "intentions" to me before doing such a thing.  His intentions would be, and I'm quoting here: "to bend this little slut over and fuck her."  Works for me........slave luci


i guess i just don't have enough self esteem for this. Maybe it's just jealousy. Why is He seeking satisfaction somewhere else? Am i not good enough? Also, what if He likes her better? If i AM good enough for Him, i'm inclined to believe that He's just being a dog...fucking every girl that He possibly can. i don't want to be with someone who can't control Himself. i beleve in being with just one person.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 6:56:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

But would it not also be submitting? As the person is submitting to the will of the person who wants them to top another?

heartfelt


Yes, she would be both topping and submitting. I've heard it referred to as middling, topping someone under the direction of another top.

But to the tied sub, she would be topping her. To the dom she would be submitting but the op asked how the tied sub would feel. The tied sub would feel as if she were being topped by this other woman.

In my case, it would be devastating and end the relationship immediately. One, we're exclusive and two, humiliation puts me into a very bad emotional space and is destructive to the relationship since it causes me to distrust him. Me being set up to be emotionally destroyed by my successor in his life would be devastating. And she would be my successor even if it were only for five minutes since I'd be out of there immediately after being untied but of course I wouldn't know she succeeded me for only five minutes since I wouldn't ever speak to him again.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 7:07:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		In so many ways i would find this hot (excpet for one), like on a ton of levels BUT the ways i would NOT find it hot and would find truly damaging would be....

1) the girl ridiculing me part would be almost IMPOSSIBLE to deal with, i really don't know how i could deal with that if at all. I'd pray that my Daddy wouldn't allow her to be hurtful to me because he isn't hurtful with me.


2) If it was someone that my Daddy was seeing behind my back, therefore being totally dishonest with me and destroying my trust in such a massive way.

3) If he did stuff with her that he refuses to do with me (there really isn't anything to put in this category except it did come up the one time we did something similar)

We played in a sort of situation like this at a swing club....the girl and her hoyfriend we both doing things to me and the girl and i both tended to my Daddy, and Daddy and i both did things with the girl (no penetration though)

it was hard for me becasue i am NOT into someone going down on me at all soooo that was sooo rough for me. Then my Daddy was making out with the girl and he doesn't make out with me quite like that anymore, but he does do many other things with me that he didn't do when he did that (so i guess it's a trade off ???)....Anyway, that shot through me to a point and hurt.


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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 8:41:24 PM   
heartfeltsub


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Status: offline 		Thank you luci for making many of the same points that i had wanted to make in response to prop, unfortunately had been busy this evening.

Prop, i guess we will just have to disagree, as the Ones that i serve have no problems with how submissive i am by nature and how that nature is displayed through my acts of submission.

i will grant you prop that submission has nothing to do with desire, whether a particular command is something that a submissive likes or even has a natural inclination for, but that we submit because it is our nature to submit. That is exactly what i was saying. Using the question that the OP posed, i have no desire or inclination to dominate or top anyone, nor have i ever been asked to do so by either of the Ones that i serve. However if i were asked to do so, i would obey the command because of my submissive nature. Your contention that my ability to obey a command given to me makes me not a submissive is what i strongly disagree with. But that is a discussion that we have had before, that in your opinion (hope i am remembering this correctly, please forgive me i am misquoting you) a submissive can never hold a position of authority over anyone and still be a submissive. Both of those goes to my statement about transferred authority, that the authority for me to do an act has flowed from the slave's Master (in the OP question).

Also just wanted to make clear that i am not saying that obedience and submission are the same thing, they are not. However my obedience to the commands given to me flow from my submissive nature, and they are not merely acts of submission.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/19/2007 11:18:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Celeste43
But to the tied sub, she would be topping her. To the dom she would be submitting but the op asked how the tied sub would feel. The tied sub would feel as if she were being topped by this other woman.


I can see where one might think this, but I would see it much differently, were it me.  In all I do, receive or am subjected to, I do so out of my submission to him.  The other girl is submitting to him by verbalizing humiliating words.  I am submitting to him by receiving them.  Even if he had her get up and take a whip to me to top me, I am submitting to him by receiving it and taking it.  It is my submission to him that would keep me in such a scenario.  Were it some girl out of the blue attempting to humiliate or hurt me, it would mean absolutely nothing and I would either ignore it or not tolerate it.  All I do is because HE wants me to do it.  For me, it's really that simple.

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/20/2007 4:21:31 AM   
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what a bum this is something he has planned from the start. i am so sorry he did this to you . it is hurtful and painful leave that fool

mons

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/20/2007 7:13:12 AM   
slaveluci


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ORIGINAL: subsnow
i guess i just don't have enough self esteem for this. Maybe it's just jealousy. Why is He seeking satisfaction somewhere else? Am i not good enough? Also, what if He likes her better? If i AM good enough for Him, i'm inclined to believe that He's just being a dog...fucking every girl that He possibly can. i don't want to be with someone who can't control Himself. i beleve in being with just one person

Subsnow,
I certainly can't speak for anyone but myself.  These and many other reasons are certainly valid and the reasons why a lot of people could/would not participate in such scenarios.  I personally felt this way before meeting Master.  I was in a "vanilla" marriage for many years and, about halfway through, we got involved with some threesomes/foursomes with other women/couples.  It was fun while it happened but there was always a fallout.  I didn't have the self-esteem for it either though I kept trying to convince myself otherwise.  I tried to repress the jealousy and I also had the feelings you speak of about feeling "not good enough." In at least one instance, the other woman really tried to drive a wedge between my ex and I.  The sex was hot but it just wasn't worth all the heartaches and headaches that accompanied it.  I pretty much decided that it just wasn't worth it.

Skip to years later and I am now with Master.  I went into the relationship with the same feelings I just mentioned.  I knew that other women would more than likely eventually be a part of our play but, to be honest, I wasn't looking forward to it.  It was never a limit but something I just "knew" I was going to end up having negative emotions about based on past experiences.  Though Master had/has no desire to upset me just to fulfill a desire, He was very honest with me about the fact that the decision would be up to Him and if He so chose, other women would indeed be involved.  I can't say I was thrilled about the idea, but I was accepting and knew if and when the time happened, I would obey and do my best to please Him.

As time went by and I came to know Master better and better and my trust in Him deepened, my issues with having another woman involved slowly diminished and have disappeared.  Not because He pushed the issue or demanded that I "get over it," or said He didn't really care what my feelings were....none of that.  My apprehensions about it disappeared because I have something now I didn't before: total security and trust.  With my ex, all the fears I had were founded.  I don't think he did  think I was good enough or even enough period.  I think there were others he "liked more."   Basically, he fed my insecurities because there was a real threat there of being replaced by another.  That is the one thing that I do not have to worry about with Master.  He demonstrates in everything He says and does that I am His property, His true love, His most precious possession (all His own words).  I know with all my heart that, no matter how many others He may bring in for us to "play" with, that my place in His heart and home is secure and not going to change.  If there is any single thing that helped me "get over" my hesitations about another joining us, that is it.

I love the idea of having other women join us and never would have given it a second thought if not for dreading the fallout.  In this relationship, I honestly don't believe there will be any.  That is what has made all the difference for me.........luci 

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/20/2007 7:15:32 AM   
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I can see where one might think this, but I would see it much differently, were it me.  In all I do, receive or am subjected to, I do so out of my submission to him.  The other girl is submitting to him by verbalizing humiliating words.  I am submitting to him by receiving them.  Even if he had her get up and take a whip to me to top me, I am submitting to him by receiving it and taking it.  It is my submission to him that would keep me in such a scenario.  Were it some girl out of the blue attempting to humiliate or hurt me, it would mean absolutely nothing and I would either ignore it or not tolerate it.  All I do is because HE wants me to do it.  For me, it's really that simple.

Ditto!........luci

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/20/2007 8:40:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'd feel like i was being put into a cuckold relationship against my will or without my knowledge and there'd be hell to pay when it was all said and done!

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RE: How would you feel if your Master..... - 6/23/2007 8:11:37 AM   
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