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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 7:29:09 PM   
Raphael


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ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily

Not a chance bucko. You may be a Dom (and right now, even that is questionable) but you aren't MY Dom, so I suggest you mind your beezwax and control that which you have control over.


I don't think he implied he could control you. Then again, nothing I've seen out of you so far has indicated you can be bothered to actually understand something before you start going off at the mouth about it, so why should it surprise me that your reply is true to form.

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Well, then perhaps you ought to do something about your girl and tell her not to post on public forums asking for advice. She'll get it, whether you like it or not.


Yes, it's true. Any time you post to a public forum, you're opening the door to replies from people whose sole joy in life is to flame someone else and try to make them feel miserable. They're usually 12 year old boys, however.

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My true colors are already known;


Perhaps to some. I certainly didn't know you were a ***(flames edited out by ModOne)*** until this thread brought it to my attention, however.

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I'm smelling quite a bit of excrement on this thread.


I am too. I'm not dense enough to hope you'll shut your mouth and let the odor clear, however.

Sincerely,
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Please keep it civil and flame free. We are all adults here.

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 7:38:58 PM   
Raphael


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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
Great common sense piece I hope All youngins read and understand... When I've seen parents bending over backwards to be friends rather than "parents", it's usually resulted in self centered, entitled-thinking, ungrateful brats, but maybe that's only in my neighborhood/experience.


You don't bend over backwards to be friends. If you think that's friendship, you don't know what friendship is.

And yes, people that 'bend over backwards' to make their children like them are really lousy parents.

But we're not talking about a child here, we're talking about an adult. Perhaps one that's still a little childish in some ways? Sure. Who does that description not fit, though?

I'm willing to be that not a single one of the people ragging on ginger21 here would put up with it for an instant if their mother behaved towards them in this way.

Several people have offered her some good advice on this thread. It's a shame it's getting drowned out by the noise of people that just want to flame her and treat her like a child. She's certainly not the only one that's displayed some immaturity here.

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 7:51:51 PM   
Master609


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I've spent more time with you than you're worth. Just to let you and everyone else know; when you were around 6 years old and long before the internet I was having My first experiences in bd/sm. In My world subs are respectful and expected to serve. I'm quite sure My experiences far exceed anything you've ever dreamed of. I don't think you have had any real experience as a true submissive, you certainly don't sound submissive. And I don't feel that My ability as a Dom is even the issue.

your statement "My true colors are already known; I'm a no-bullshit zone" you're so full of bullshit I can smell it from New York to Texas.


"It's lock and load time..... " you can lock and load and kiss My ass!

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 7:55:01 PM   
BlkTallFullfig


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Status: offline 		No one is ragging on Ginger, except when she's deserved it...
She has received absolutely wonderful advice here and I could point them out to you, but I think you're more interested in enabling the misinformation in Ginger's head.
I too have jokingly referred to my mom in a non endearing term, but that's not what is happening here.
Ginger is having a spoiled brat's tantrum. Ginger, I know you didn't become who you are without your mother's help (and part of what you are by the way is a very intelligent young lady whose life is full of future promise); it certainly isn't all Ginger's responsibility, but it's very important to understand that life is about choices, and what one does today has ramifications for tomorrow. I could send a group hug out to Ginger and say you are right, she shouldn't have touched your stuff, but that won't help the fact that she still needs to calm down, prioritize things in her life and work from there, making choices that will lead to solid freedom in the future (where she will only be a slave as long as it is okay with her).
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ORIGINAL: Raphael
But we're not talking about a child here, we're talking about an adult. Perhaps one that's still a little childish in some ways?

As an adult, she should pack her bags and leave, not stay in her mother's fortress... How would that help this young adult though?? I certainly hope she doesn't believe the hype, quit school, and go do some nonsensical BS like marry at 20, stay without a degree and way to support herself, while her Master collects slaves/subs.

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I'm willing to be that not a single one of the people ragging on ginger21 here would put up with it for an instant if their mother behaved towards them in this way.

I've put up with much worse, and never was naive enough to think I would get my way and live on my terms under my mom's roof; that's why I pay for rent/utilities, clothes, etc... Let me tell yah, independence before one is ready, is also overrated.. I've definitely had "hate mother" moments, but very few people haven't... Ginger, stay at home, stay in school, in time you can either get psychiatric help, or build a bridge and get over mommie issues. M

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 7:56:18 PM   
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*Edited to add:

Its not the age difference that would bother me were I Ginger's mother, but rather her maturity level. I'm editing this after reading further posts, and I have to tell you, at the age of 20-21, she is old enough to have a bit more understanding for her mother....


I have understanding of my mother...that's why occassionally call her a bitch and a prostitute...she's raised me for 20 years, you'd think she'd have a bit more understanding of me than to call me a slut and tell me she hated me, right? Get off it.

I would never say anything like to her face... that's what I consider truly disrespectful.

Once again, that's how I felt and that's what I said. It wasn't meant to be nice.

And to let you know, he tells me not to call her that.

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Mom didn't take Ginger to the park until asked a number of times because she was tired and somehow that makes her a bad mother???? Could it be that after she worked all day, came home to do laundry, fix dinner, take care of her kid and do the million other things a single parent has to do...she really was tired?


My mother works nights and has as long as I've been alive. She get home a 8am, is asleep by 8:30 and stays in bed (not even sleeping) till 9pm everyday. I understand being tired- to an extent. Sometimes you should get out of bed to do things with and to be there for your child. At least I would assume so...

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Also I would point out that people generally set their AC higher or their heat lower to save on electricity, which is quite expensive.


Um, it's just the two of us. I lived with 3 other girls and our electricity bill was never more than $80 a month. I can't imagine it's even half as much with just the two of us. But that's irrelevant.



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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 8:00:22 PM   
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I've read some of this post and like Lily suggested (and somehow this all got glossed over). . . .If this young woman has a master that she is collared to that is *51*. . . why can't he "man up" . . .step up to the plate and pay for his "property" to better herself? Then the whole fucked up mom/daughter relationship thing would be a non sequitur. Isn't that what it is all about? The **MAN** of the relationship stepping up to the plate and doing what needs to be done? For fuck sakes. . .if someone wants the TITLE and the ROLE of being da man. . . .then fucking be da man instead of having his property airing out dirty laundry all over the net.

'nuff said.


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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 8:07:31 PM   
BlkTallFullfig


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Status: offline 		Hey Jules,
I miss you here... I'm still working on the Goddess within to be more like you! M

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 8:30:36 PM   
Isolde


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Status: offline 		When I was almost 22, I had to move in with my parents again after leaving my then-husband. He left me with a massive amount of debt, a number of mental and emotional scars, and crippled self-confidence. He broke into my email account pretty much every day of our last six months together, convinced I was having an affair because he was having one.

After I moved in with my folks, I started working two jobs but could barely keep my head above the debt I'd been left with. I relied on my parents for the basics...food, shelter, water, phone access, etc. 6 months after I turned 22, my father grounded me from using the phone to speak with my then-boyfriend-now-husband.

Now, I'd been paying for my phone time. I forked over the cash for our long-distance calls and tried to limit them as much as possible because there was only one line and I didn't want to block anyone else's calls. But that didn't matter to my dad. He yanked my phone time. He also went a little crazy and did things like accuse me of selling a 20lb sack of dog food for drug money (I've never bought drugs) and giving my little sister (on purpose) a block of cheese he'd been saving for making a dinner with. I know...wierd, huh? I had very little privacy, very few luxuries, no free time and a lot of stress. He called me irresponsible, childish, overemotional. All of this while I was trying to get back on my own two feet again and doing a damned fine job of it, when I wasn't having a nervous breakdown. :)

Because I was under his roof and needed him, I tolerated it. Yes it was frustrating, even maddening at times. Yes I called him names under my breath in the privacy of my own room. Yes I got out of there as soon as possible and yes our relationship was strained before that and for awhile after that. But while I wouldn't call him my best friend today, we are closer than we were. Old wounds have healed over into scars. The marks are there but the hurt isn't, not anymore. We both moved on and grew up and found more important things to be upset about.

No one begrudges you the need to vent, Ginger. But what you need to focus on are the choices you have in front of you, not the anger you're feeling. Feeding on that anger, stirring it around, picking at the scabs... that's just a distraction and not one that's doing you any good. After the initial rant, I think people expected to see you pull yourself together and set your shoulder to deciding what needed to be done about your situation. From the descriptions I've read here of you, you're a capable young woman with a lot of intelligence on your side. Right now is the time to focus that and to leave the teeth-gnashing on the side, or even behind you. If you can't stand your home situation, find a way out of it. Several ways have been suggested here. If you are going to stay, find a way to make it work. It sounds as if you'll have to be the adult here and that means you need to be calm, patient and rational in your choices. Expecting anything from your mother when she's in the state she sounds to be in is unrealistic.

Your situation is, unfortunately, the way life twists sometimes. You should be listening, not lashing out. This thread has been filled with sound, realistic advice. Go back and reread with a calmer eye, and realize that some of the people who've been accused of being unsympathetic have been that and more.

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 8:31:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ginger21

Once again, that's how I felt and that's what I said. It wasn't meant to be nice.
And to let you know, he tells me not to call her that..


So I'm to understand by this that you do as you wish and not as your Master instructs you to do? Your Master said
quote:

In My world subs are respectful and expected to serve. I'm quite sure My experiences far exceed anything you've ever dreamed of.
I guess its a good that he doesn't expect your obediece.

But regardless...I didn't join this thread to get into an argument with you or to put you down.

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Um, it's just the two of us. I lived with 3 other girls and our electricity bill was never more than $80 a month. I can't imagine it's even half as much with just the two of us. But that's irrelevant.


Wow!!! Would love to know how you manage that! I don't think I've seen an $80 electric bill in my entire adult life. Ours runs in the $250 range every month. (And yes, my owner sets the heat to 62 in the winter and I FREEZE!!!!)

Look, Ginger...I can understand you feeling betrayed that she read things that you did not intend for her to read and you feel your privacy was violated. I can understand that emotions can run high and sometimes things are said in anger that are very hurtful on both sides, but you simply do not have the life experience or maturity to understand where your mother is coming from and to deal with it as the adult you wish to be treated like, and refuse to even try to see it from her perspective, despite the attempts of a lot of people to help you understand a little bit of what she may be feeling.

Anyway, best of luck to you. I do hope that you are able to work through things with your mom. We usually only get one mom in life, and while few are perfect, life is too short to let the small things come between you, and in the overall scheme of things, this really is a small thing.


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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 8:40:26 PM   
ginger21


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Wow!!! Would love to know how you manage that! I don't think I've seen an $80 electric bill in my entire adult life. Ours runs in the $250 range every month. (And yes, my owner sets the heat to 62 in the winter and I FREEZE!!!!)


I don't know how either hunny... but b/c we split the electricity into 4 parts and I never paid more than $20 a month, so it couldn't have been more than $80.

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I guess its a good that he doesn't expect your obediece.


Oh, he does... I never said I didn't get punished for it. I have kinda a loose lip, if you didn't notice.

You know, it's real easy for you to put this into the perspective of your life, b/c you have more life experience than me. I'm sure years from now, this won't even be a bump in the road. But as of now, it's a big ass hill and I'm using the experience, knowledge, and maturity I've got to manage the situation as best I can.

< Message edited by ginger21 -- 6/10/2005 8:41:21 PM >

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 9:08:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		1. Advice from personal experience -is- sound advice. Who knows better about a situation than one who has been in something similar and who knows better about how actions can turn out than one who's taken those actions?

I have not been in the same situation as Ginger. I've been in a very similar one though. I'd say that makes my advice pretty darn sound.

2. I think that when kids become independant adults, it's time for the relationship between parent and child to become one of more equal footing. I think that an important part of becoming mature is being treated as an adult by one's parent. THat is, -not- being given whatever one wants, and -not- being babied, but also being given the consideration another adult deserves. I don't think that parents and kids need to be "friends' especially while kids are young. However, when we get out and become independant entities, it's time to lessen the parent/child dynamic to allow us to become adults in our own right.

3. Michael--
while I undersatnd your anger at percieved slights toward your girl, you are undermining your possition by coming off as a high-handed HNG. I -know- this is not who you are, because having read Ginger's posts she seems to be an individual with impecable taste :) However, challenging someone's nature because they stand up to and disagree with you tends to make one look...well...petty. The reason I dirrect this at you is that it seems that you began the personal insults. Lily states it as she sees it. That doesn't have to be right. It's just as she sees it. It seems like it's prudent to take it as such, to present one's case, and to realize that there will probably be conflicts.

As to the whole "supporting your girl financially" thing, well, from the perspective of one who's been in that possition, I think it is -far- better to help Ginger get on her own. Some families are toxic and one can't start maturing untill one gets away from it. I think there -are- ways to get financial aide information and still be out of the house.

I swear, nothing I have said is intended as a personal attack. Rather it's my take on what I've observed filtered through what I've experienced. Please read it as such.

(4. Jules!!! Yay!!!!)

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 9:47:58 PM   
slatyb


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Status: offline 		Dear Ginger,

I'm a 46 y.o. white guy, and if I were a parent of yours I would be very worried if you were dating someone like me. I would be wondering about your plans. Are you expecting that this relationship will be permanent, or do you expect that you will move on after a while? Do you expect to have children? If so, with this man or someone you will meet later? Do you and your master have a notion of what you will be doing five or ten years from now?

I'm not saying that you are doing the wrong thing, but you need to think about these things. Otherwise you will be 30 or 35 and wishing to relive the last fifteen years of your life.

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 10:05:30 PM   
Master609


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Status: offline 		Several women seem to feel that because I’m her Master, I should also be her benefactor. When W/we got together and mutually decided I would become her Master and she My slave, she understood that did not include her living with Me. And although she sees no problem with U/us getting married, I feel I’m much too old for that place in her life. I would much rather see her fall in love one day with a man closer to her age, have children of there own (which I can’t have) and live there lives together with Me a fond memory from the past. Plus I have no desire to get married, I’ve done that and it doesn’t work for Me.

If it became necessary; I am prepared to give her a car and a place to stay, I just could not afford her education costs. I think her education is far more important and I’ve always encouraged her to make an effort to get along with her mother. It would be absurd to order her to get along with her mother. I do understand how her mother feels (for the most part), I just don’t agree with her tactics. And when you are snooping around looking for shit, don’t be so shocked when you find it.

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 10:09:46 PM   
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First off, my strap-on is WAY bigger than anything Lily or Michael have so you can go ahead and stop the cock-measuring contest already. Remember, we're talking about Michael who asked his slave as a "test of her submission" to walk down the street naked and Lily who never met a comment she couldn't turn into a personal insult against her.

Second, I love you Perverse.

Third, I think naming insults to people in a public journal is pretty OK and far better than screaming it to the persons face. It might also denote an underlying lack of respect which is a problem, but hey, I think generally it's healthy and not all that bad.

Fourth, it's pretty obvious that Ginger has a pretty messed up situation, both inner emotional wise, with deep streaks of insecurities, deep lack of relationship skills, and immediate reality wise with her financial situation. The financial situation, IMO is what needs to be settled before anything else. After that- get into some competent therapy, trust me, your dom is not trained or educated enough to really work through these issues alone.

Fifth, no one is going to remember this post in a week so enjoy your early summer days everyone!




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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 10:14:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Master609
And although she sees no problem with U/us getting married, I feel I’m much too old for that place in her life. I would much rather see her fall in love one day with a man closer to her age, have children of there own (which I can’t have) and live there lives together with Me a fond memory from the past.

If it became necessary; I am prepared to give her a car and a place to stay, I just could not afford her education costs. I think her education is far more important and I’ve always encouraged her to make an effort to get along with her mother. I do understand how her mother feels (for the most part), I just don’t agree with her tactics. And when you are snooping around looking for shit, don’t be so shocked when you find it.

This one actually is a post from a Master sounding like he has Ginger's best interest at heart.
Welcome to the boards.. M

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 10:36:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would like to know what advice, that has any hint of being sound, could possibly come from anything other than the givers own personal experience or something they have seen first hand?

To Ginger's Master, I won't be commenting on your Mastering of Ginger, because I've been taught better and will not set that bad example of myself for my own Master. ( and for the record I've been with him 15yrs... and wouldn't have done it after 6mos. 1 yr. or today)

Ginger, I have been known to have rather heated opinions... but formost, my rule of thumb that has served me well is this...

I don't do something I know Master would not like... especially knowing I'll be punished for it later..... and just figure..well I'm loose lipped, but I'll just take the punishment later. This sets a bad example of you, and a very poor example of your Master and his property indeed.

..These are just some thoughts I had after having read everything after my last post.

Thank you.

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/10/2005 10:36:38 PM   
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I'm a 46 y.o. white guy, and if I were a parent of yours I would be very worried if you were dating someone like me. I would be wondering about your plans. Are you expecting that this relationship will be permanent, or do you expect that you will move on after a while? Do you expect to have children? If so, with this man or someone you will meet later? Do you and your master have a notion of what you will be doing five or ten years from now?

I'm not saying that you are doing the wrong thing, but you need to think about these things. Otherwise you will be 30 or 35 and wishing to relive the last fifteen years of your life.


I was going to say the same thing. My 25 yr old daughter is still living at home until she finishes her internships. First of all i would never read her email or go through her things. However, if i learned she were dating a 51 yr old i would certainly have the same concerns. Of course the BDSM part would please me LOL.

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/11/2005 8:33:50 AM   
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Wow.

Regarding FAFSA.

That is -incredibly- stupid. Incredibly stupid.

It doesn't make sense. What about kids who are emancipated minors? What about people who graduate before their 24? I'm going to be 22 when I graduate, 23 when I apply for grad school. I'm off my parents tab. Does that mean I can't apply for financial aide when I'm going to grad school?

Who on Earth made up these regulations? They strike me as increibly discriminatory toward students who lack a "traditional" family structure. it seems that the government should strike out to -help- students who aren't being supported by their families even more than those who are. Don't we want everyone to be able to get an education?

STUPID!





I think if she goes to her school finance office and kind of tell them what is going on, without going into details, they would be able to help her find some kind of financial aide in grants and scholarships. There are hardship cases out there, grants and such for them is what I mean. She just needs to go talk to someone about it. It is part of being mature and doing things for herself. Not always easy but sometimes needs to be done.

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/11/2005 9:16:04 AM   
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Yes, ginger does have choices, and they are good. They are just not the choices she wants to make. ginger needs to grow up and accept where she is in life right now, and determine where she wants to be and how she is going to get there. That takes some sacrifice.
I suspect W/we all remember what it is like to be young and rebellious. Most of U/us were probably rebellious in some way. And the old saying holds very true. "It is amazing how much my parents learned between the time I was 18 and the time I was 21!"
I can't answer for ginger, and I can only go on what she has written thus far. But she has received some excellent advice and a different perspective regarding her responsibilities and how to approach things another way. Honestly, right now, it sounds like she is throwing a major tantrum.
Yes, W/we are Mothers, some of U/us. So W/we can see both sides. And W/we do react to that tantrum tone. I think W/we have been pretty reasonable and nurturing. You are right. W/we are reacting as Mothers, not as fellow BDSM'ers. W/we can see both sides, but W/we are trying to let ginger know that she could be making a terrible mistake right now. She has choices to make. W/we have shared those choices. Now she has to choose.
It is not going to help to just tell her, "awwww, poor baby". How do you propose W/we support her, Raphael? W/we are being supportive. W/we just aren't reacting well to the tone of ginger's posts. That doesn't solve her problem. I am sorry she is in the position she is, along with everyone else. But supporting her in a childish decision to blame it all on Mom and take no responsibility for this herself is not going to help. I am not saying she deliberately did anything to throw this in her mother's face, and I am not saying her mother was right to go into her email. But it is done. It happened. Now it needs to be resolved in some sort of positive way. And the last thing any of the Moms want to see is a young girl cut off her relationship with her mother. Time enough for that later in life, if things never work out between them. And one can only hope it never comes to that.
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I agree with this, the main tone of this whole thread on gingers part has sounded like a tantrum. Yes what her mom did was not right, she is of age and does deserve her privacy, but it happened. I think the whole thing boils down to communication, to me it also sounds like that is something that has not been in the mother/daughter relationship. And from the mothers prospective of it can understand the mothers nosing in where she really didn't belong, she should have asked, but then again if this is how ginger reacted, was the mother afraid to ask for fear of a major blowout which she got anyway. all in all they both reacted wrong and someone needs to be mature enough to set it straight if possible and yes ginger sometimes the kids have to patiently show the parents that they can make adult decisions without histerics and tantrums, go about doing what needs doing, as far as the financial, I do know that there are grants out there you just need to ask finacial aide people at school to help you find them. So if you are independant like you say you are go to them and get it going so you don't have to depend on your mom and take some control of your own life and quit throwing tantrums.

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RE: Mommy Dearest... (grr!) - 6/11/2005 10:20:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		it's me..fillepink again. 1st of all whever is adding "i love nigger whores"; there's no place for racism on this site; ginger did not say her mom had issues with the Dom's race; it was His age that she objected to -- and on that issue i tend to agree. 2nd; i do not think we should judge ginger as "spoiled" just because she was well-provided for; so was my kid and her value system is well-intact. you do not teach values with material things; either given or withheld. the fact that ginger is searching for a place within the lifestyle without causing her parents harm is a sign to me that she has compassion and consideration -- as well as a strong commitment to her submissiveness.

ginger started this post asking for our HELP; so why have so many people attacked? RiotGirl; i am especially sad to read your post; and your too are welcome anytime to email me; i do know not all women are good mothers and their kids are left with terrible pain. i'd like to offer my friendship.

so far as i am concerned; if you cannot help ginger and just want to speak on being outted or something related; please start a new thread; ginger is not a test case; she's a real person of tender years and i am sure some of your posts have caused her pain.

rememeber? ginger was in a state of pain and confusion when she began this thread -- what's up with adding to her pain? please be kinder to her. fillepink




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