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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 12:38:59 PM   
dovie


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To Prince William County,

"Excuse me please. When you say 'illegal immigrant,' whom are you referring to?
Are you in actuality referring to 'the Mexican illegal immigrant?'   And if so, isn't 'Latino' the wrong word to use?"

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 12:40:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

The bill passed late last night, with a few minor adjustments.
Now things are going to get very interesting.

novatownhall blog: Prince William Immigration Enforcement Resolution Passes Unanimously!


South Carolina just passed a law fashioned after Georgia's strict law in this area.
In this state you can't get a driver's lisense or register a vehicle unless you're a U.S. Citizen or in the country legally.
So when you see a bunch of Hispanics in a vehicle with North Carolina plates it's probably a good bet that they're illegal as North Carolina gives drivers lisenses to anyone!
You can call that "profiling" if you want but it is what it is.
I'd like to get someone who's against "profiling" with a lot of cash on them and make book on whether Hispanics are illegal or not as I emptied their pockets at one of those "Safety Checkpoints" that the State Police have here!
We have a lot of problems with illegal aliens driving without lisenses and especially driving drunk and I don't mean "just a few beers" drunk either! I mean COCKO'ed!
"No more "catch and release, Pancho!"
With this new law they're held "no bail" until they can be turned over to the Feds for deportation.

"Welcome to South Carolina. Drive leagally and soberly or you WILL go to jail!"

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 12:40:48 PM   
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::Batting Eyelashes:: 

To Prince William County,

"Excuse me please. When you say 'illegal immigrant,' whom are you referring to?
Are you in actuality referring to 'the Mexican illegal immigrant?'   And if so, isn't 'Latino' the wrong word to use?"

smh=shaking my head
dovie




No, I'm pretty sure they meant anyone who looks like they 'aren't from around here...'


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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 12:41:37 PM   
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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 12:46:42 PM   
dovie


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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 12:46:49 PM   
uwinceismile


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Status: offline 		im sure that latino doesnt cover it correctly, and if that offended you, or any other, then i apologize.

but i stick by my actual point.... if you are already under suspicion of a crime,,, then why shouldnt your status be checked on?
they would normally do a back ground check on you anyway,,so part of that back ground check would be if u are here legally or not.
again,,it doesnt say we are going to grab folks off the street because we dont like thier look, and check thier status,,it says those who are suspected of a crime....

i understand some here believe thay are immigrants, but immigrants come thru the system,,,, illegals come here any which way they can

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 1:37:23 PM   
Aeon


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Status: offline 		Okay...i usually stay out of poitical discussions because they tend to generate a LOT of heated emotion, but as a resident of South Texas (only a couple hours north of the Mexican border) i HAVE to say something here. 
i'll start off by saying that i wholeheartedly support a crackdown on the illegals we have here in this country.  It is a problem that has gotten WAY out of control.  i understand that America holds the promise of the "American Dream" in the minds of most inhabitants of less fortunate countries.  And i DO believe that everyone should have the chance to pursue that dream.  But only if they are willing to abide by the laws of this country.  NO ONE is born entitled to anything in this world.  Don't get me wrong...i know that royalty and the aristocracy are given whatever they want simply because of lineage or name.  But that never truly means that they were entitled to what they were given.  They were just born lucky.  Sadly, for the rest of us "common folk" everything we get out of life must be earned through blood, sweat and tears.  And part of that is living by the rules that have been set before us.  When an American born poverty stricken person kills someone to put food on his children's table we don't simply turn our heads and say "Oh well...he's poor...he had no other choice".  And if i decided i didn't want to live in this country and rather i would like to live in Italy, could i simply hop on a plane and walk into Italy with no passport?  Would i be given citizenship whilst all along breaking their laws?  i think not.
The sad truth is that a huge portion of the American born population are also still striving to achieve the "American Dream" themselves.  And when these immigrants come swimming across the river and set up camp it just makes that dream even less achievable...for everyone, not just themselves.  American families simply CANNOT afford to work for the peanuts that they are willing to work for.  And of course the business owner is only out for himself so he is more than happy to hire the cheaper, illegal help.  So not only do the American borns lose valuable employment to the illegals, but its all for nothing because those illegals are never going to achieve the American Dream at $2.00 an hour.  Its sad to say but we simply do not have the jobs to support our own citizens much less the millions of illegals now residing in our country.  If we let this continue the class of poverty stricken people is going to grow to such a large number that America will become just like the third world countries that all these people left in the first place.
This country has become far too PC.  All we worry about anymore is whose feelings are going to get hurt?  Who are we offending?  The United States of the Goddamn Offended! Its completely ridiculous.  When an argument becomes verbal assault...when a spanking becomes child abuse things have gone too far.  Yes profiling might be distasteful but still a necessary evil.  i look at it this way...if the person being asked for proof of citizenship IS a citizen and free of wrongdoing...then what the hell do they have to worry about??  Its only "unconstitutional" if the person being questioned is a citizen and protected under the Constitution.  And then its only a couple minutes out of your day to do your part to assist the state in making sure that the people there belong there.  If you don't pay taxes and don't have a social security card and have broken the law by even being there in the first place and function only as a ghost in the machine i don't see how you can hide under the Constitutional Law.  If you have nothing to hide you should be HAPPY to assist, in anyway you can, with the investigation.  If the IRA came over and bombed something and they started rounding up all the Irish people i would be happy to answer any questions they had for me...as an American citizen doing my part.  i think we need to focus more on home in this country.  We are constantly worried about our rep with other countries, "are we doing our part globally?", and constantly worried about warring with other countries for assets and forcing our democracy down the throats of other countries.  i say its time to take care of "Here" , "Home".  Especially in this day and age it is simply not acceptable to have millions of "ghosts" living amongst us...People that have NO record, NO identification.   Let's do WHATEVER we can to make sure 9/11 doesn't happen again.  Let's worry about healthcare HERE.  Let's worry about unemployment HERE.  Let's worry about family values HERE.  We need  to clean up HERE at HOME.  i say if they can't pay their dues and follow the rules they lose their membership to the club.  Round em up and send em home!  Wherever it is they came from.  
IMHO.....LOL.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 2:28:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		to me this just says we'll all need to carry passports in the near future. Joy.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 2:54:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's incorrect.  The Fourth Amendment says "people," not citizens.  Besides, even if it were true, as soon as the police stopped a single citizen, they'd be in violation of the Constitution.  That's exactly why the provisions for searches and seizures are as clear as they are.  You really can't imagine the nightmare that a government could wreak on unpopular citizens using this lame law?  I don't walk around with proof of citizenship.  What exactly would I do if I were stopped and forced to prove that I'm not an illegal alien?

Put it this way: If you'd like to live in a country that makes a mockery of its own Constitution, you might want to try moving to the People's Republic of China.  Either we have a Constitution or we don't.  If we have one, we can't just go shredding it one clause at a time.

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ORIGINAL: Aeon

Yes profiling might be distasteful but still a necessary evil.  i look at it this way...if the person being asked for proof of citizenship IS a citizen and free of wrongdoing...then what the hell do they have to worry about??  Its only "unconstitutional" if the person being questioned is a citizen and protected under the Constitution.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 3:13:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		L&M, I think it's pretty clear that "People" or "The People" means us and not a billion Chinese.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 3:14:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		they're STILL going after the WRONG people. Law enforcement must go after the companies that hire the iillegals....even the day laborers.......yes..fine them and shut down their businesses for repeat offenses. No work, the people will leave.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 3:25:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		NOW you're talking, but obviously no one is going to do that.  And why do you suppose that is?  Every time the illegal immigration issue comes up, I tell people to ask themselves why no one ever goes after the companies that employ illegal aliens.  Sometimes I think it even begins to dawn on people why we're in this situation.  Then a few weeks pass by...and we're back to Square One with this police-state bullshit.

Popeye, a law that authorizes the police to search anyone who appears suspicious is unconstitutional and will never stand up in court.  It's not even a gray area.  Politicians pass this sort of crap, knowing that the law will never stand anyway, just to curry favor with their hothead constituents.

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they're STILL going after the WRONG people. Law enforcement must go after the companies that hire the iillegals....even the day laborers.......yes..fine them and shut down their businesses for repeat offenses. No work, the people will leave.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 3:26:03 PM   
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but i stick by my actual point.... if you are already under suspicion of a crime,,, then why shouldnt your status be checked on?
they would normally do a back ground check on you anyway,,so part of that back ground check would be if u are here legally or not.
again,,it doesnt say we are going to grab folks off the street because we dont like thier look, and check thier status,,it says those who are suspected of a crime....

i understand some here believe thay are immigrants, but immigrants come thru the system,,,, illegals come here any which way they can


If someone is in jail for a felony, I doubt if any court would have a problem with their immigration staus being checked.

But traffic stops are supposed to be just that... traffic stops.
They are limited intrusions, which is why you don't have to have a lawyer present, etc.
The USSC has said that they end when the ticket is written, unless PC is obviously there for another crime.

So what PC should we accept for the crime of not being here legally? Being Hispanic? Talking with an accent? Dressed like a laborer? 

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 3:40:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		alumbro,
i understand what you are saying....
but that is one small part of the bill, i was refering to the ::: anyone suspected of breaking the law.
and im guessing the the lawyers working for the state have looked thru all of this, to see that it is all legal.... even if some find it distasteful....
 
and again, if i get pulled over, they take my liscence and regristration..then they spend 15 minutes running a check on me. if it takes an extra minute or two to run a residence check on me, i am ok with that... (btw, i have no idea why the font got bigger and a different color).
 
if some folks here take issue with us trying to find out who is illegal,,,then just say so....dont cloak ur thoughts.
for the record, id like to see the illegal aliens taken out, and brought back in thru legal means. its how my family came here just a few decades ago..and how this country was built.....
but if we decide its not correct , then remember,,anything you subsidize,,,u just get more of :(
costa
and for anyone who reads into this that i dont like south american folks,,,,u are just plain mistaken..
not everyone who disagrees with you,,is a rascist 
im simply..  anti- illegal 

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 3:42:10 PM   
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To clarify...i said "i think" that those who are here illegally "SHOULD NOT" be protected under the constitutional law that they have shown themselves to have no respect for...not that they aren't currently.  That's the part you conveniently left out of your quote but it was the very next sentence.
And i understand that if you want to scream and yell about taking five minutes out of your day and having to carry around an extra piece of ID then, constitutionally, you COULD.  My point was that if everyone stopped bitching about "my rights! my rights!" and just pitched in to solve the problem, i.e. pulling over to show their birth certificate or whatever we COULD solve the problem eventually.  After all...one person's rights end where another's begin.  Like i said before if you are clear of any wrongdoing then you have nothing to lose but a few moments of your time.  i'm not suggesting that some changes would not have to be tolerated, but seriously, is an extra piece of paper in your wallet such a huge deal?   If we want a better, safer America i think its a sacrifice worth making. 
And i want to add here that i am also of the opinion that America taking back its government is a necessary prerequisite for any worthwhile changes we may make any time in the near future in this country.  Otherwise yes i understand how this could POTENTIALLY get out of hand as well.  
As for either having a constitution or not...YOU YOURSELF quoted the Fourth   Amendment which is what?  An Amendment to the original document!   This is not the same country that our forefathers founded over 200 years ago.  Life here has changed and the Constitution is meant to be a living document that can be molded and amended when necessary. 
i'm not even going to address your suggestion that i leave the country as it is just exactly the kind of emotionally based drivel i hoped to avoid.  i love this country and want it to remain the beautiful, free land of opportunity it is.  Without order and structure that will not happen.  100 years from now we will have muddy villages with huts side by side populated by 98% of the population who are poverty stricken while the only other class ...the super elite rich...making up the other 2% of the population, live like Emperors. 

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 3:43:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right on Amen to that!  Just another great step in solving the problem.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 4:01:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Fourth Amendment was part of the Bill of Rights, which was passed by the same forefathers who passed the Constitution.  Besides, if you want to amend the Constitution, there is a procedure for that.  The Fourth Amendment isn't going to be overturned.

I don't like grotesque wealth disparities in this country any more than you do.  And I'm concerned about illegal immigration too.  But the way to attack the problem is not to trample on the Constitution.  I think it's pretty revealing that you didn't appreciate the suggestion of moving to the People's Republic of China.  What exactly is wrong with the People's Republic of China?  Simple: it's a perfect example of what happens when a government disregards its own Constitution.

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As for either having a constitution or not...YOU YOURSELF quoted the Fourth   Amendment which is what?  An Amendment to the original document!   This is not the same country that our forefathers founded over 200 years ago.  Life here has changed and the Constitution is meant to be a living document that can be molded and amended when necessary. 
i'm not even going to address your suggestion that i leave the country as it is just exactly the kind of emotionally based drivel i hoped to avoid.  i love this country and want it to remain the beautiful, free land of opportunity it is.  Without order and structure that will not happen.  100 years from now we will have muddy villages with huts side by side populated by 98% of the population who are poverty stricken while the only other class ...the super elite rich...making up the other 2% of the population, live like Emperors. 


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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 4:08:13 PM   
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The Fourth Amendment was part of the Bill of Rights, which was passed by the same forefathers who passed the Constitution.  Besides, if you want to amend the Constitution, there is a procedure for that.  The Fourth Amendment isn't going to be overturned.

I don't like grotesque wealth disparities in this country any more than you do.  And I'm concerned about illegal immigration too.  But the way to attack the problem is not to trample on the Constitution.  I think it's pretty revealing that you didn't appreciate the suggestion of moving to the People's Republic of China.  What exactly is wrong with the People's Republic of China?  Simple: it's a perfect example of what happens when a government disregards its own Constitution.

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ORIGINAL: Aeon

As for either having a constitution or not...YOU YOURSELF quoted the Fourth   Amendment which is what?  An Amendment to the original document!   This is not the same country that our forefathers founded over 200 years ago.  Life here has changed and the Constitution is meant to be a living document that can be molded and amended when necessary. 
i'm not even going to address your suggestion that i leave the country as it is just exactly the kind of emotionally based drivel i hoped to avoid.  i love this country and want it to remain the beautiful, free land of opportunity it is.  Without order and structure that will not happen.  100 years from now we will have muddy villages with huts side by side populated by 98% of the population who are poverty stricken while the only other class ...the super elite rich...making up the other 2% of the population, live like Emperors. 



L&M, you just have to understand and come to the realisation that this country right now is at war.
I don't mind producing i.d. if required.

P.S. George Bush needs to realise that we are at war too and close that Mexican border, it's like a seive.
Also we need to guard our border with Canada better than we're doing and not from Canadians but from terrorists.
The News agencies are saying that another attack is highly likely and soon.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 4:24:11 PM   
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i know what the Bill of Rights is and who passed it but honestly that is irrelevant information...they were the government at that time so they did the amending.  Obviously we have a different government now and they would be doing the amending.  It changes nothing.  Frankly if the Federal government was as concerned as we apparently are an Amendment might be made.  Since they have no interest in the real state of affairs in this country it has been left to the individual states to pick up their slack.  Which is why we are having this conversation now.  Popeye is right...we ARE at war here.  And unfortunately in war sometimes people's feelings and rights get trampled just a bit.
Also, the only thing to be gleaned from my dislike of your China comment is that i don't know the language, don't want to be a foot taller than everyone else around me and don't care much for communism.  That's it...lol.  i'm joking!  Seriously i love this country and don't take kindly to anyone suggesting that i should not be right where i am.

OH!  Something i forgot to mention before and that i have yet to see mentioned elsewhere in this thread is the number of illegals who die before they even get  off the truck!  Hundreds of them found in abandoned shipping trucks...most times dead  from heat stroke...Its a travesty!

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 5:29:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wish you people on the left side of the political scale would defend the 2nd amendment with as much feriousity as you defend the 4th.

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