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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 7:04:16 PM   
Griswold


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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Prince Willim County, in Northern Virginia about 40 minutes from Washington D.C. is
proposing and more than likely getting ready to pass and enforce some of the toughest
immigration laws in the country.

I live about 30 minutes away and I am watching what happens here with great interest.
On local talk radio, MANY people are calling in stating these laws will be in forced and that
they are fed up.
It is going to be real interesting in Prince William County real soon if these laws are passed, and more
importantly enforced.  ****The proposed measure requires that immigration status be checked before someone could use public services such as schools, libraries and swimming pools. The bill also requires police to check the residency status of anyone suspected of breaking the law. The measure would also force county police to ask about immigration during routine traffic stops.*** Prince William County Officials To Vote On Immigration Bill - News - MSNBC.com

Residency Rules May Tighten in Pr. William - washingtonpost.com


Prince William County is a very nice little burb of DC...it's on the VRE line and houses a lot of very nice (and some not so nice) homes.

Mostly nice.

It's a place where horses are kept along route 234 which got expanded significantly about 3 years ago, previously a shithole road...now a new part of the elite section...

And ya know what?

That's where the folks who are looking for a nice living, with 15 acres of land to tend are gonna seek out those who want to fix their yards and horse acres.

And guess what else?  That's where the people who want undocumented income are going to go seek out work...(cause there's people there that want the fucking work done...and they ain't asking questions).

(And no one's asking...and no one is gonna ask...until they set up a web site that makes it easy to check.  I live in Seattle...and I have guys apply at my office every week...with "legit" documentation.  Shit looks like it was produced by the Freaking State Department...and for all I know...it was.  There is absolutely NO way for the average American to accurately check these guys docs).

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 7:17:05 PM   
MzMia


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Status: offline 		Aeon, thank you so much for sharing.
I have heard similar stories from people that live that close to
South America.
Don't worry about having to defend your point, you have made it.
Many enjoy debating despite what the facts are.
 
The fact is:
You need to come into this country legally.
It is the law.
Period.
I don't care who or what you are, or where you come from.
If we are going to start deciding what laws we want to enforce and
what laws we don't want to enforce.
At what point is it fair game to ignore all the laws?

And who gets to decide which laws we can break?

< Message edited by MzMia -- 7/11/2007 7:18:06 PM >

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 7:26:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Aeon, thank you so much for sharing.
I have heard similar stories from people that live that close to
South America.
Don't worry about having to defend your point, you have made it.
Many enjoy debating despite what the facts are.
 
The fact is:
You need to come into this country legally.
It is the law.
Period.
I don't care who or what you are, or where you come from.
If we are going to start deciding what laws we want to enforce and
what laws we don't want to enforce.
At what point is it fair game to ignore all the laws?

And who gets to decide which laws we can break?


MzMia, Aeon.....you can't hear it or see it, but I'm clapping and saluting you both. Bravo. We need more people who think as you both (and I) do. Maybe then something will get done around here.

I just laughed (to avoid crying) at the news broadcasts of protests here that showed hispanics holding signs that said "Not a criminal" and I just wanted to go "Not a criminal??? How do you figure?....ILLEGAL aliens.......ILLEGAL is RIGHT THERE in the name....OF COURSE you're a criminal!!!!!!"

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 7:32:21 PM   
MzMia


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Status: offline 		Seriously, I mean really?
Can you or I go just rob a bank or steal a car?
I mean what laws do we enforce and what laws don't we enforce.
 
I just wonder how many criminals can commit heinous crimes and not
be caught, because they are "invisible"?
 
I want to know who the hell is in this country.

Too be honest the tax situation is what really pisses me off.
I live in a state in which we pay a lot of taxes.
I bust my behind working a job and I am lucky if I bring home more than half of what I make.
Yes, I have a problem when I see people purchasing homes and getting a free education and free medical care
and not paying taxes.
I am not breaking the law and I feel like I am being suckered.
Either we all pay taxes or we all do NOT pay taxes. 
Where the hell is MY tax money being spent?
If I don't have insurance, will the hospitals even treat me?

I have heard many people state they would be better off if they left the country and came back illegally!


This is a real biotch.


< Message edited by MzMia -- 7/11/2007 7:43:06 PM >

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 7:42:43 PM   
SardonicAss


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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Seriously, I mean really?
Can you or I go just rob a bank or steal a car?
I mean what laws do we enforce and what laws don't we enforce.
 
I just wonder how many criminals can commit heinous crimes and not
be caught, because they are "invisible"?
 
I want to know who the hell is in this country.

Too be honest the tax situation is what really pisses me off.
I live in a state in which we pay a lot of taxes.
I bust my behind working a job and I am lucky if I bring home half of what I make.
Yes, I have a problem when I see people purchasing homes and getting a free education and free medical care
and not paying taxes.
I am not breaking the law and I feel like I am being suckered.
Either we all pay taxes or we all do NOT pay taxes. 
That is a real biotch.



I know....don't get me started on the health care. I looked at insurance prices online yesterday (because I don't yet get insurance where I work and I haven't seen a dentist in 4 and a half years) the lowest PREMIUM I found was like $120 per month with a $500 DEDUCTIBLE. If I HAD $500, I wouldn't need the insurance!!!! Oh but if I were a lil less......pale.....yeah my medical would be all nice and free. Work my ass off and pay my taxes with my meager salary....nope, no free medical for me. If I get so much as a broken bone, I'm filing for bankruptcy. And if it's something more serious?? I'm stamping DNR on my forehead. No way could I afford hundreds of thousands of dollars for a procedure. I know a lady where I work taking up a collection via raffle tickets for a friend of her cop husband who needs a liver. It's $300,000 JUST to get on the freakin' list!! That doesn't count the surgery, the fees, the medication he'll need the rest of his life.....none of it. $300,000 JUST FOR THE LIST. And how many times do doctors from here go to 'less fortunate' countries to treat them free of charge? And I'm paying $200 for a TEST to show that I "didn't" have strep and should only be out (not making money) for another week.

Sheeesh


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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 7:46:15 PM   
MzMia


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Status: offline 		Look, drive to Mexico.
Come back across the border illegally.
Change your name to Jose, then go to an emergency room in Texas or New Mexico.
Tell them you have a bad toothache, get free dental care or medical care.

Did you hear the story of the 2 illegals that crossed the border, and the woman was in labor, and gave birth
right as she crossed the line?
She had a difficult delivery, and they flagged down help, they ended up medivacting her to the emergency room and
she got the best of emergency, and pre-natal care and the baby is now an American citizen.
This is a true story.
 

Seriously good luck though, I hope you are able to get half the benefits of those here
illegally.
Peace brother.

< Message edited by MzMia -- 7/11/2007 7:52:52 PM >

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 8:02:24 PM   
Lordandmaster


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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

I wish you people on the left side of the political scale would defend the 2nd amendment with as much feriousity as you defend the 4th.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 8:06:47 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		We're at war?  At war with whom?

And the Constitution still applies, even in times of war.

Anyway, what exactly is the remedy are you suggesting?  You said every citizen should just carry a birth certificate and be prepared to produce it when asked.  Well, what would that prove?  A birth certificate proves that XYZ was born in the United States, not that YOU are person XYZ.  So we'd all have to have government-issued photo ID instead?  Great.  Just imagine how many fuckups--at taxpayers' expense--we'll have to deal with when that arrives.  You know what's going on right now with the passport fiasco, right?

The point is that laws like this allow governments to harass citizens, and governments have a habit of taking advantage of privileges like that in ways that citizens never envisioned or intended.  That's why the Constitution doesn't permit them.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aeon

Popeye is right...we ARE at war here.  And unfortunately in war sometimes people's feelings and rights get trampled just a bit.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 8:24:05 PM   
PhilaMale1958


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Status: offline 		I am a self employed contractor. I play be the "RULES".
No I don't get paid in cash, all my customers pay me by check, and YES I do declare it and I pay my taxes on it.
I get permits for my jobs and I carry workman's compensation for my men (that adds 15% to the wages I pay)
My social security cost are twice what an employed person pays because I'm self employed (so that adds 12+ % of the cost that are taken away from my income)
Health insurance ... Thank god I'm covered under my wife's plan, but she is due to retire in 6 years and I'm scared as hell about what future cost might be.
I carry liability and auto insurance and I set aside money for my retirement.
Bottom line, I'm not a burden on society but a contributor.
If I bid on a job compared to a contractor who is an illegal immigrant or who hires illegal immigrants I'd lose every time. On top of that, there is no way that I can own a very modest house, and pay for its upkeep, mortgage, insurance, and all the other associated cost on what an illegal immigrant gets paid. It makes me sick to see other contractors get away with hiring illegals and/or not pay the insurance cost as they should; however, I also can't police what goes on. Doing that is outside my ability and that is why we have made it one of the function of the government. The government is us and we have to get our act together, and it is the governments job to police the boarders and to uphold the rules that we have established. In addition, the "guest worker proposal" is in reality a means to export low paid jobs to workers who live in our country but who are not citizens. And while I'm on it, this crap about having "guest workers" take the jobs that Americans don't want is bull. An American can't live in his own country on the wages that are paid for those jobs, so why would anyone here bother to take them? The boarders should be monitored to allow those people into this country who we determine to let in.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 8:50:21 PM   
MzMia


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Status: offline 		PhilaMale? that sucks dude.
It is the same thing all across America.
Most contractors really just can not compete.
Yet they take jobs, Americans will not do.
 
GWB is a total disgrace, he must think we are all really stupid.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 9:06:01 PM   
ish


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Status: offline 		Dear Ms Mia,
    As being one who lives 60 miles from the border...the problem lies in Washington DC. We give them all incentives to come here illegally.  I have no problem with anyone who wants to provide for his family...the problem i have is Mexican billionaires filling the back pockets of our elected officials!  

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 9:15:18 PM   
MzMia


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Status: offline 		great point ish, I will freely admit, If I was in Mexico/or in any other country, if I could
get into America, I would!
I understand wanting to do better, and wanting to live in this country.
 
My issue is you need to become a legal citizen, and pay taxes.
I hate paying taxes, why am I paying taxes and supporting people in this country illegally?



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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 9:28:37 PM   
ish


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Status: offline 		ah, that is my point...Washington allows this lunacy....there should be no benefits of any sort...not one penny spent on any illegal!....another subject...how bout no foreign aid till every American has a roof over their head, a job, and food.....should i run for President?

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 9:33:11 PM   
MzMia


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Status: offline 		That sounds radical ish!!
Take care of Americans? American citizens, first??
NO WAY!

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 9:33:50 PM   
MsD


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ORIGINAL: dovie

::Batting Eyelashes:: 

To Prince William County,

"Excuse me please. When you say 'illegal immigrant,' whom are you referring to?
Are you in actuality referring to 'the Mexican illegal immigrant?'   And if so, isn't 'Latino' the wrong word to use?"

smh=shaking my head
dovie


No, dovie, "Latino" is more correct.  I live in the Houston area & we're overrun not only with Mexican illegals but South American illegals as well.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 9:39:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PhilaMale1958

I am a self employed contractor. I play be the "RULES".
No I don't get paid in cash, all my customers pay me by check, and YES I do declare it and I pay my taxes on it.
I get permits for my jobs and I carry workman's compensation for my men (that adds 15% to the wages I pay)
My social security cost are twice what an employed person pays because I'm self employed (so that adds 12+ % of the cost that are taken away from my income)
Health insurance ... Thank god I'm covered under my wife's plan, but she is due to retire in 6 years and I'm scared as hell about what future cost might be.
I carry liability and auto insurance and I set aside money for my retirement.
Bottom line, I'm not a burden on society but a contributor.
If I bid on a job compared to a contractor who is an illegal immigrant or who hires illegal immigrants I'd lose every time. On top of that, there is no way that I can own a very modest house, and pay for its upkeep, mortgage, insurance, and all the other associated cost on what an illegal immigrant gets paid. It makes me sick to see other contractors get away with hiring illegals and/or not pay the insurance cost as they should; however, I also can't police what goes on. Doing that is outside my ability and that is why we have made it one of the function of the government. The government is us and we have to get our act together, and it is the governments job to police the boarders and to uphold the rules that we have established. In addition, the "guest worker proposal" is in reality a means to export low paid jobs to workers who live in our country but who are not citizens. And while I'm on it, this crap about having "guest workers" take the jobs that Americans don't want is bull. An American can't live in his own country on the wages that are paid for those jobs, so why would anyone here bother to take them? The boarders should be monitored to allow those people into this country who we determine to let in.


Phila, up in Boston some people tried that shit undercutting Union Roofers.
They said "fuckin fine."
Building was all outfitted after the roof went on and about a week before the project was finished there must have been a bolt of lightning come down and set it alite.
If I were a contractor and I found out my competition was using illegal alien labor I'd rat them out in a minute!
It's a Federal Felony to hire illegals.
Any contractor who does that shit deserves whatever happens to them. Fire, beatings, sabotage their equipment anything.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 9:41:44 PM   
MzMia


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsD

quote:

ORIGINAL: dovie

::Batting Eyelashes:: 

To Prince William County,

"Excuse me please. When you say 'illegal immigrant,' whom are you referring to?
Are you in actuality referring to 'the Mexican illegal immigrant?'   And if so, isn't 'Latino' the wrong word to use?"

smh=shaking my head
dovie


No, dovie, "Latino" is more correct.  I live in the Houston area & we're overrun not only with Mexican illegals but South American illegals as well.


Thank you MsD, I have met more hispanics from El Salvador in my area, than Mexico.
He is way off base, he is out in left field.
Latino or hispanic, I think is more accurate. 

< Message edited by MzMia -- 7/11/2007 9:44:07 PM >

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 9:52:54 PM   
tatangel


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Status: offline 		Hehehehe...I LIVE in PWCounty. If this goes through, I am going to throw a f@#$%ing party.

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 9:57:08 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Yeah, self-employment tax is another big government scam.  EVERYTHING is stacked in favor of mega-corporations.  (That has something to do with why they're never going to crack down on companies that hire illegal labor, but I'm not going to get into that.)

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ORIGINAL: PhilaMale1958

My social security cost are twice what an employed person pays because I'm self employed (so that adds 12+ % of the cost that are taken away from my income)

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RE: Crackdown on Illegal Immigrants in Virginia - 7/11/2007 10:02:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yeah, self-employment tax is another big government scam.  EVERYTHING is stacked in favor of mega-corporations.  (That has something to do with why they're never going to crack down on companies that hire illegal labor, but I'm not going to get into that.)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PhilaMale1958

My social security cost are twice what an employed person pays because I'm self employed (so that adds 12+ % of the cost that are taken away from my income)



L&M, sure that stuff can be stopped.
Two words; "Gasoline" "Matches."
When *our* govt. refuses to protect us we have the right to protect ourselves.
Man, I wish Bush would just fuckin LEAVE!!!

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