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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/14/2007 10:15:05 PM   
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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/14/2007 11:28:59 PM   
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I wouldn't say that classifying someone as a "Professional" changes it one bit. Just adds in a sterotype.

My point was, escentially, that people can believe in something, and support it, without wanting to have to take the brunt of it. That one doesn't have to not support something in sentiment to not be actively fully involved. Sort of like how many religious people aren't Priests. Most aren't, actually. That whole vow-of-celeabacy gets them.

Anyhow, my point is against this argument- that people who support the war but don't enlist are pussies.


So, they're all in favor of sending other people to die, but not take that risk themselves.

COWARDS.

I suppose the difference is that Firefighters aren't explicitly hired to kill, and be killed, however the troops are. When you deploy troops, you are sending them to DIE and KILL.

To believe otherwise is to live in denial of the realities.

And in that context your analogy breaks down.


How so? Did you think firefighting was a cushy, safe job?

And, hell. There are some breaks in the analogy. Firefighters get to stay home. They get to do something universally respected (expect, perhaps, by true pyro-ethuasts). They get to drive around a cool truck and still get that sexy uniform. And cities are -still- short on firefighters.

Don't take the analogy too far. I'm not saying firefighting and soldiering are the same- you're looking at it too plainly. Analogies bring up points of comparison, but break beyond that point. This does not necessarily mean the point of comparison is invalid, it just means the analogy is outside of its limits. So consider this point, and not trying to make the two professions entirely equilevalent.

People can believe in things. Want things done. And still not put their lives on hold to do them. Most have other interests. And, while you might insult one for not going to war, despite supporting it- can you not say the same of one not wanting to go to fight fires, despite supporting such a thing? Or being an EMT, despite supporting an emergency health system of some form? Or being an adoption agent, despise supporting orphans finding loving homes? What about those who enjoy technology, supporting the notion of further research, yet fail to put on a lab coat? Are all these people- the utterly vast majority of the population- cowards?

To this end, I propose that such an oversimplication was a vulgar attempt at an insult. I can only summise it was out of politically-influenced malice towards the target population.

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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/14/2007 11:32:44 PM   
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The fire department is hardly undermanned. They turn away the majority of the qualified candidates.


Then you are free to substitute teachers, medics, etc., should you not feel firefighters are an in-demand work group.

Still, I know towns I've lived in have been short on firefighters. I'm also aware such haven't been the unique in such a status. Still, I'm sure some areas don't suffer from such shortages.

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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/14/2007 11:35:18 PM   
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Hmmm, thompson thinks there is "A fire dept", and it is over staffed. In the actuall world there are thousands of municipal fire deptment( many of which are fully staffed, but not all), as well as crews (federal, state and corprate) of fire fighters that handle forest fires. Forest crews are always in need of more people...


Yeah, his notion that people are having difficulty finding firefighting positions struck me as a little odd. I know they're certainly in-demand in Florida, at least, when I lived there. Can't claim to be sure about Virginia right now.. not something I've looked into.

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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 3:41:54 AM   
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Hmmm, thompson thinks there is "A fire dept", and it is over staffed.  In the actuall world there are thousands of municipal fire deptment( many of which are fully staffed, but not all), as well as crews (federal, state and corprate) of fire fighters that handle forest fires.  Forest crews are always in need of more people...


luckydog1:
It appears that your comprehension skills are somewhat limited.  Would you please point out where I said that any fire department was overstaffed.  My point was that the number of qualified applicants for the position of firefighter exceeded the demand.
thompson

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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 7:56:35 AM   
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Now, Assuming the GOVERNMENT of Afghanistan was a threat, I *could have* gotten behind the landing of the Marines on one border, and them marching to the opposite border, removing the extant government, secure in the knowledge that after they returned home, *should* the successor gov't be a threat to the United States, we could do it again at any time.




You don't think that harboring & supporting a jihadist terror network constituted a threat?



What did Abraham Lincoln, at Gettysburg, tell us was the only reason worthy of mobilizing the Republic to War?


You didn't answer my question.



OF COURSE I DID. It's not my fault that the phrase, "— and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." did not immediately jump to mind.

Weren't you ever taught that the ONLY reason the Republic is justified in mobilizing was a Clear and Present danger to the EXISTENCE OF THE REPUBLIC?

Don't they fucking even TRY to teach Civics class anymore?

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And are you in favor of a constitutional amendment requiring that the President of the US be a combat vet in order to be eligible for office?



While I can understand the value of such a requirement, I don't believe I would vote for that Amendment.



Then you may want to think about retiring your "chickenhawk" argument.



Why? The Office of The President is a CIVILIAN OFFICE. Now, should The President's Daughters be serving? I suppose if the Bush Family itself had any sense of Honor and Integrity, but we all know how much Honor that family has... After Prescott sided with Hitler we should have expunged all record of their existence.

Prescott Bush's family worse than the Benedict Arnolds by a damn sight.



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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 8:03:23 AM   
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People can believe in things. Want things done. And still not put their lives on hold to do them. Most have other interests. And, while you might insult one for not going to war, despite supporting it- can you not say the same of one not wanting to go to fight fires, despite supporting such a thing?


No. We do not, as a society, send firefighters to die.

That's the difference.

When you think "The Cause" is RIGHT, it is moral cowardice to send someone else to die for it.

If you're not willing to die for it, then you don't *really* believe in it. If you *don't* really believe in it, by SAY you do, then you're a Pussy Hypocrite.





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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 8:17:59 AM   
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Ted Kennedy's father, Joe the Bootlegger was a Nazi sympathizer too.
Funny that some people "like" the Kennedy family given their criminal background.
Marylin Monroe didn't fare so well at their hands.

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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 9:06:51 AM   
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OF COURSE I DID. It's not my fault that the phrase, "— and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." did not immediately jump to mind.

Weren't you ever taught that the ONLY reason the Republic is justified in mobilizing was a Clear and Present danger to the EXISTENCE OF THE REPUBLIC?


No I wasn't, and the reason I wasn't is that you're conflating a quote from Lincoln (taken substantially out of context with respect to this debate, BTW) with text from the Constitution. 

So, your answer is that a regime harboring and actively supporting a global jihadist terror network is not a threat to the existence of the Republic?  Is that your position?

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Why? The Office of The President is a CIVILIAN OFFICE.


But your line of argument would lead to a situation where it wouldn't be held by a civilian.

The "chickenhawk" argument says that unless you're an active duty (or retired, I guess) member of the armed forces, you're not entitled to an opinion on whether or not the use of military force is justified.

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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 9:14:00 AM   
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Weren't you ever taught that the ONLY reason the Republic is justified in mobilizing was a

Clear and Present danger to the EXISTENCE OF THE REPUBLIC?




case in point:  the federal out of control government


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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 9:21:11 AM   
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So, your answer is that a regime harboring and actively supporting a global jihadist terror network is not a threat to the existence of the Republic? Is that your position?


Get back to me when the Jihad is rolling T-72s down the Adirondack Northway. ( We have some surprises around Saratoga -- Again )



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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 9:23:59 AM   
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The "chickenhawk" argument says that unless you're an active duty (or retired, I guess) member of the armed forces, you're not entitled to an opinion on whether or not the use of military force is justified.


Well, we wouldn't be here is that piece-of-shit Bush didn't commit felony Fraud to convince Congress and The People to wrongly invade and occupy Iraq, would we?

I expect if the Commander-in-Chief had any honor, we wouldn't need to discuss how to properly qualify them. After all, the entire reason we're discussing qualifications is because Bush is manifestly unqualified ( in this case, due to the alleged felonies he has committed )

But back to the current state of affairs. When do the Federal Marshals show up to take the alleged felons into custody?



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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 9:43:18 AM   
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So, your answer is that a regime harboring and actively supporting a global jihadist terror network is not a threat to the existence of the Republic? Is that your position?


Get back to me when the Jihad is rolling T-72s down the Adirondack Northway. ( We have some surprises around Saratoga -- Again )




I don't think you understand the concept of asymmetrical warfare very well.  I think you'd be well served if you put aside your hatred of Bush for about 30 minutes and looked into the goals and tactics of the jihadist movement.  It's not exactly a secret -- they've been very open about what they want, and why, and how they intend to accomplish it.

Here's a hint: T-72s aren't involved.

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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 9:47:38 AM   
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The "chickenhawk" argument says that unless you're an active duty (or retired, I guess) member of the armed forces, you're not entitled to an opinion on whether or not the use of military force is justified.


Well, we wouldn't be here is that piece-of-shit Bush didn't commit felony Fraud to convince Congress and The People to wrongly invade and occupy Iraq, would we?

I expect if the Commander-in-Chief had any honor, we wouldn't need to discuss how to properly qualify them. After all, the entire reason we're discussing qualifications is because Bush is manifestly unqualified ( in this case, due to the alleged felonies he has committed )



So you agree that all of this "chickenhawk" stuff is just rhetorical nonsense that has no foundation in logic, or in real policy, and all it does is distract attention from the real issues?

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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 9:59:04 AM   
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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 10:13:30 AM   
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So, your answer is that a regime harboring and actively supporting a global jihadist terror network is not a threat to the existence of the Republic? Is that your position?


Get back to me when the Jihad is rolling T-72s down the Adirondack Northway. ( We have some surprises around Saratoga -- Again )




I don't think you understand the concept of asymmetrical warfare very well.  I think you'd be well served if you put aside your hatred of Bush for about 30 minutes and looked into the goals and tactics of the jihadist movement.  It's not exactly a secret -- they've been very open about what they want, and why, and how they intend to accomplish it.

Here's a hint: T-72s aren't involved.



Think it has anything to do with ther UK/US trying to park our asses on their turf and trying and take over the middle east?   i do not recall them signing any contracts agreeing to isreal as a state either.  At we, the us citizens are more educated and we would not mind the jihadists putting isreal on the middle of texas would we?  We would welcome it with open arms like the mexicans crossing the borders.


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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 10:24:50 AM   
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So, your answer is that a regime harboring and actively supporting a global jihadist terror network is not a threat to the existence of the Republic? Is that your position?


Get back to me when the Jihad is rolling T-72s down the Adirondack Northway. ( We have some surprises around Saratoga -- Again )




I don't think you understand the concept of asymmetrical warfare very well.  I think you'd be well served if you put aside your hatred of Bush for about 30 minutes and looked into the goals and tactics of the jihadist movement.  It's not exactly a secret -- they've been very open about what they want, and why, and how they intend to accomplish it.

Here's a hint: T-72s aren't involved.



Think it has anything to do with ther UK/US trying to park our asses on their turf and trying and take over the middle east?   i do not recall them signing any contracts agreeing to isreal as a state either.  At we, the us citizens are more educated and we would not mind the jihadists putting isreal on the middle of texas would we?  We would welcome it with open arms like the mexicans crossing the borders.



Your argument would have some merit if a unilateral pullout by the UK/US from the middle East and immediate cessation of support for Israel would put an end to things.  What does history tell you about policies of appeasement -- regardless of whether the aggrieved party has a legitimate cause to be offended?

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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 10:28:05 AM   
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So, your answer is that a regime harboring and actively supporting a global jihadist terror network is not a threat to the existence of the Republic? Is that your position?


Get back to me when the Jihad is rolling T-72s down the Adirondack Northway. ( We have some surprises around Saratoga -- Again )




I don't think you understand the concept of asymmetrical warfare very well.  I think you'd be well served if you put aside your hatred of Bush for about 30 minutes and looked into the goals and tactics of the jihadist movement.  It's not exactly a secret -- they've been very open about what they want, and why, and how they intend to accomplish it.

Here's a hint: T-72s aren't involved.



Think it has anything to do with ther UK/US trying to park our asses on their turf and trying and take over the middle east? 


Btw, to answer your question, no, not completely.  I think you need to do some of the same homework fargle needs to do.

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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 10:33:15 AM   
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So, your answer is that a regime harboring and actively supporting a global jihadist terror network is not a threat to the existence of the Republic? Is that your position?


Get back to me when the Jihad is rolling T-72s down the Adirondack Northway. ( We have some surprises around Saratoga -- Again )




I don't think you understand the concept of asymmetrical warfare very well.  I think you'd be well served if you put aside your hatred of Bush for about 30 minutes and looked into the goals and tactics of the jihadist movement.  It's not exactly a secret -- they've been very open about what they want, and why, and how they intend to accomplish it.

Here's a hint: T-72s aren't involved.



Think it has anything to do with ther UK/US trying to park our asses on their turf and trying and take over the middle east? 


Btw, to answer your question, no, not completely.  I think you need to do some of the same homework fargle needs to do.



strange.....i was thinking the same for you


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RE: THIS is what a Pussy looks like! - 7/15/2007 10:57:13 AM   
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People can believe in things. Want things done. And still not put their lives on hold to do them. Most have other interests. And, while you might insult one for not going to war, despite supporting it- can you not say the same of one not wanting to go to fight fires, despite supporting such a thing?


No. We do not, as a society, send firefighters to die.

That's the difference.


That's.. a difference? We send soldiers explicity to die? Is that truly how you feel?

They do dangerous work. Some die in the line of duty. Firemen also make such sacarfices in the line of duty.


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When you think "The Cause" is RIGHT, it is moral cowardice to send someone else to die for it.

If you're not willing to die for it, then you don't *really* believe in it. If you *don't* really believe in it, by SAY you do, then you're a Pussy Hypocrite.


So you'd die for anything you believe in? Do you realize how silly that is?

I believe Scotty, a hypothetical kid in middleschool, shouldn't have to be picked on by his hypoethical peer, Bobby, after lunch on next Tuesday. Will I die for it? No. Will I even care enough to hop my classes and stop it? No. Does that make me a coward? Of course. I'm utterly terrified of a preteen boy and his hissy fit.

People don't do things for reasons other than being afraid. The sooner you accept this, the sooner your point will approach something that's valid. You can try to change the subject as much as you like, but the fact is plain and simple: people don't do things that they believe should be done for reasons other than cowardness.


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One might be able to respect that you feel you see something wrong and you want to speak up about it. One might also respect your zeal to argue such points rabidly. How can one, though, respect an individual that has been driven to broken hatred-driven insults?

You may have some valid points about government. Some which you may feel free to voice. Some which may well be interesting, and perhaps even productive. Nonetheless, calling one a "Pussy Hypocrite" out of such emotional rants only serves to show your lack of commitment to reason.

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