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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 11:20:43 AM   
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On that score the point goes to you-- you didn't paint with too broad a brush in your example, it was a specific example, and while I wasn't really responding to you (or intending to) the use of the word "all" was broad, no doubt.


Thanks...but I'm not keeping score by any means, just wanted to point it out.  Thanks for recognizing and correcting it :)

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I didn't say it was an attack, but it was given as a justification for painting with the broad brush accusing all who use the term of being fakes.


Um, not to be argumentative here, but you did:  "While others have defended the tradition here, those who have attacked it have in their posts presumed that it can never be a legitimate term, and justified this with the claim that "the originals didn't use the term"... which is illogical because that doesn't mean its not a legitimate term for a tradition."



But it's all good.  It's very easy for the written word to be misconstrued and of course misinterpreted.  My posts were an effort to dissect where some of this occurred.

Again, thank you for your time.

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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 11:55:57 AM   
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AdventorousLife,

To be frankly honest, the last page of your posts have been a big crock of shit and a gross misinterruptation of what is being talked about in this thread.

You keep talking about "THE tradition" when in fact, historical articles by Jack Rinnella and Guy Baldwin clearly illustrate that their was no one single tradition that can be defined as "Old Guard"

According to what I have personally read, traditions and protocols were adopted and developed differently threwout many different leather communities that were isolated from each other. Nothing was ever set in stone, different members followed certain things and didnt follow other things, and it wasnt anything close to the precalculated and organized set of traditions you seem to be depicting here.

From my readings, that which is called "Old Guard" is a very loose and generalized collection of traditions.

This discussion has not reduced or insulted "Old Guard traditions" to mere fantasy, but correcting the misconception that there is one Moses tablet of True Old Guard traditions that everyone follows and can be traced back in history.

I DID make the distinction that there is a difference between people who had an "Old Guard style" and "Old Guard philosophy" and people who claimed to be the "True Old Guard" to "be cool".

As you do in most of your threads, you have sat yourself up on a high horse, far above everyone else, preaching the "One True Way", and condescending to everyone who isnt as awesome as you are. You've generalized and reduced everyone in this thread to being "the great enemies of gay BDSM", based on whatever asasine generalizations of us you have conjured in your "holier than thou" head.

Now if you could please stop "preaching" to us about tolerance and get past your own generalized prejudices of everyone here, perhaps you could enlighten all of us by providing a list of what THE "True and Only Old Guard" traditions are that everyone who is "True Old Guard" follow with cystal clear certainity?

You have spent the last few posts pontificating about THE tradtions that THE Old Guard follow so I would be most interested in knowing what exactly THE traditions are so I can spot THE Old Guard.

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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 12:01:57 PM   
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I think this is a perfect example of the hetero bdsm community--- straight male doms bashing the gay leather tradition without knowing the first thing about it.


I'm pretty sure its just one guy making a joke.

Generally speaking, when the "Old Guard" gets poked fun at on these boards, it isnt connected to the actual traditions themselves, but the people who like to make the outrageous claims to being part of that "Old Guard" and create even worse misconceptions of what that "Old Guard" really is.

I've taken some time to learn about Leather history, but my knowledge pales in comparision to Rover's and Archer's so dont feal a need to contribute the loose information that I have.

We also poke fun out of many other things...like...people who lump everyone into categories like "heterosexual BDSMers" and "gay BDSMers" and bash with generalized insults.

Edited To Add : I think Michael does know something about it and I think he knows that certain people like to make the claim to being "Old Guard" just to "be cool" when they dont have any idea what its about.


I'm way behind on this and I get what you are saying on all counts.  Some that believe they practice the Old Guard protocols that were "taught" to them come off at times as elitists.  All communities have them, I know from experience.  When I was being taught (what I thought was the protocols of Old Guard) I started thinking that was the one true way.  In fact when I attended BR-98 outside of Washington DC, I remember snubbing people because they didn't respect protocol.  I did the same thing in the Bay Area and the only one that looked like a ass was me.

I also am not a fan of Gorean and made fun of it and called it a fantasy, I still feel that way but who I am I to judge a lifestyle choice that brings many people joy (and pain)?  I still am fascinated with elements of Old Guard protocol and respect those who I have met and learned from that practice (that) protocol.  When I look for LONG term relationships and even long term play partners, I look for those who have some understanding or some interest in some of the things I was taught based on that.

But Old Guard is individualized as much as any other "style" of BDSM.  I try not to take the jokes seriously because I try not to take BDSM too seriously as I have in my past, it's all about kink and fun, even with community, it's still a lifestyle choice and that should be fun.

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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 12:04:52 PM   
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I'm way behind on this and I get what you are saying on all counts.  Some that believe they practice the Old Guard protocols that were "taught" to them come off at times as elitists.  All communities have them, I know from experience.  When I was being taught (what I thought was the protocols of Old Guard) I started thinking that was the one true way.  In fact when I attended BR-98 outside of Washington DC, I remember snubbing people because they didn't respect protocol.  I did the same thing in the Bay Area and the only one that looked like a ass was me.



Kind of sounds a lot like someone posting in this thread right now...

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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 12:07:42 PM   
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 I'd have to agree with MisPandora, yet say that I actually know an under-50, het male  here in Tampa who was OG trained. He started off by submitting & being collared by an OG Leatherman & learned to serve, to obey, to use proper mannerisms & follow proper customs. He is now the most stable Dom I've ever known.
My first friendships in BDSM were among the gay, male, leather crowd in Orlando, FL. Their belief that it makes sense to submit before expecting submission, to learn before trying to teach & to accept discipline before disciplining anyone felt logical to me.
So, I found myself a het male Dom, negotiated a relationship & was collared by him. I spent  a year & 1/2 learning to be a good sub, though it was obvious that my place would eventually be on top.
Old Guard seems to be a full extension of the rationale that you don't hit subbies with a new toy that you haven't tried out on yourself yet.  I don't know how many people toss the OG term around who haven't a clue; but I know how effective & sane the teaching can be. OG leatherpeople are still an easy group for me to hang around; I "get" them. Their customs & formal manners are comfortable for me.
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ORIGINAL: octavia

I'm sure this question has been asked a million times, but what exactly is old guard, or how is it defined?  I have heard the term, and been told by Dom men that they are "old guard".  The one thing about it I have heard, (no idea if true or not) is that people used to start as submissives and then after a time.. graduate into the Dominant role.  I have no idea here, am just searching for information and am very curious how this melds with the idea that we are what we are, and these preferences are inherent in us rather than learned behaviors. 
thank you for your time,
oct

I snicker every time I hear someone claim they're OG trained, especially when they're a het male 50 or younger.  LOL good stuff.

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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 12:17:21 PM   
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Early on, I considered myself a switch because I enjoyed bottoming during scenes where I could fight & thrash & generally be completely aggressive. I bottomed only with a Dom I could trust to stay out of my range & reach. I ended up having to grow up & accept that I am a Domme who doesn't get enough exercise.....
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In regard to the discussion on switching:   I consider myself a switch now but I am a work in progress.

I have a bias against myself. I wouldn't trust - me?

I understand leather boys became men at a certain point. Maybe that's where I am?

Thanks, Zac
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edit- "Bob is not a "switch" his relationships stay constant. " -Adventuouslife     - YES, exactly. Not everyone gets the point, thanks for that.




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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 12:26:12 PM   
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I have done plenty of research talked with been informallymentored by had dinner with, raised money for charity with, and played in the dungeon with quite a few men who can legitimatly claim 3,4,or even 5 generations of leather family, Now granted Leather generations are short, 10 years is a generation at it's longest in the leather world. I can name drop with the best of them covering the area from Tx to the SE coast. Micheal is sitting in similar shoes out on the West Coast, we know many of the same folks RT face to face across a dinner table. I can tell you he was simply making a joke that you didn't get.

Damn I hate having to come to his defense here I really only started to have any use for him recently, LOL. In fact if you go back you can find us going back and forth at each other not too long ago, back when he was CrappyDom.

The joke was not directed at those folks who have a legitimate claim to being "Old Guard" but rather that the commnity today is so full of folks faking a claim to the connection. The joke is not that they existed and a few survive today, but rather that some folks think they can fool peole and gather arrogantly the respect of unsuspecting and unknowing newer folks and thus prop up their possition in the community based on those lies.

You want the sentiment behind Micheal, Rover, and a few others here stated more clearly Take a gander at Laura Antoniou's keynote speach from Southlains Leatherfest 2005. http://www.iron-rose.com/marketplace/keynote.htm

I think she sums it up pretty well.

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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 12:38:11 PM   
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That was an awesome article lol.

I am a baby in comparision to the knowledge you and Michael have, but I have always found it REALLY hard to beleive that certain parts of BDSM and Leather history were as precalucated, organized, grand, royal, and uber as people make it out to be.

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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 12:47:49 PM   
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Rover has labeled genuine old guard traditions as "fantasy".


Actually, I listed a few traditions that were generally in existence at the time (exlusively gay males, exclusively S/M, a shared military experience, etc).  That is not fantasy.
 
I said that the notion of a unified and consistent codification of protocols, style, practices, etc. amongst all the groups of the time IS fantasy.  I think perhaps you misread my posts.
 
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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 1:56:29 PM   
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you have sat yourself up on a high horse, far above everyone else, preaching the "One True Way",



I am sorry that you think saying "don't judge people who choose to follow a different tradition" to be "preaching the One True Way". I think its quite the opposite.

And further, I have taken essentially the same position in other threads--- in defense of switching, in defense of people who will relocate.

Yes, its true that I feel there is far to much judgementalism and "one true wayism" out there, but advocating for tolerance is not "one true wayism"... ironic that you would use that accusation to smear me.... its a cheap shot, and of course it is talking to the person, rather than to the point.

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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 2:00:27 PM   
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I said that the notion of a unified and consistent codification of protocols, style, practices, etc. amongst all the groups of the time IS fantasy. I think perhaps you misread my posts.


What you said that I find most objectionable was (parphrased) that "anyone who says old guard endorsed switching is confusing fantasy for reality".

As best I can tell, this is a perspective that comes from a misunderstanding of some sort-- and I assumed this was because you are straight. The training regime whereby a newbie is trained by a Master does exist- I went thru it. Doesn't make me any less of what I am, and I'm not ashamed of it. My relationship to that man will always be one where he is the Master, though I have not seen him in many years, and this fact has no bearing on my relationships with suboridnants.

Its possible that I misunderstood you, in which case feel free to clarify. Or we may simply disagree.


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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 2:37:41 PM   
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Now we know why you get so pissy, you ARE claiming old guard....lol

Next week when I sit down again with Jack Rinella who I am pretty sure is gay, we can laugh about straight men being "old guard"!

Thanks for the laugh!

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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 2:54:24 PM   
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you have sat yourself up on a high horse, far above everyone else, preaching the "One True Way",



I am sorry that you think saying "don't judge people who choose to follow a different tradition" to be "preaching the One True Way". I think its quite the opposite.

And further, I have taken essentially the same position in other threads--- in defense of switching, in defense of people who will relocate.

Yes, its true that I feel there is far to much judgementalism and "one true wayism" out there, but advocating for tolerance is not "one true wayism"... ironic that you would use that accusation to smear me.... its a cheap shot, and of course it is talking to the person, rather than to the point.


You smear yourself on these boards.

You advocate switching by condsecending and mocking the people who dont switch.

I'm sorry if you arent aware of just how you come off to other people in your posts.

Nobody here has insulted the people who choose to follow a certain style or philosophy. They are mocking the people who jack up that philosophy and style to be something grand and holy.

I am still waiting for you to present a list of the actual traditions that the true "Old Guard" people follow so we can all know who exactly we are being intolerant of by saying a clear cut, set in stone methodology of the "Old Guard" doesnt exist.


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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 2:54:48 PM   
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What you said that I find most objectionable was (parphrased) that "anyone who says old guard endorsed switching is confusing fantasy for reality".


Look Sparky, rather than paraphrase... please quote the passage to which you refer.  I think when you go to find it, you'll see that it doesn't exist (or that it says something completely different).  Your penchant for misquoting me is wearing rather thin. 

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As best I can tell, this is a perspective that comes from a misunderstanding of some sort-- and I assumed this was because you are straight. The training regime whereby a newbie is trained by a Master does exist- I went thru it. Doesn't make me any less of what I am, and I'm not ashamed of it. My relationship to that man will always be one where he is the Master, though I have not seen him in many years, and this fact has no bearing on my relationships with suboridnants.


Being straight does not compromise my ability to read and comprehend Leather history.  I believe that if you re-read my posts, you'll find that I stated clearly and unambiguously that during the "Old Guard" era, members entered the community as slaves/bottoms and served until such time as they merited "promotion" to Top/Master or experienced bottom/slave.  And I cannot begin to fathom where you got the impression I denigrated homosexuals in any way.  Seriously, I can only surmise that you've confused me with someone else or you're reading something that isn't there.  Either way, it's annoying and the sooner you cease and desist the sooner I can begin to take you seriously.

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Its possible that I misunderstood you,


It's more than possible, Sparky.  It's a lead pipe certainty. 
 
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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 2:58:02 PM   
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Now we know why you get so pissy, you ARE claiming old guard....lol
Next week when I sit down again with Jack Rinella who I am pretty sure is gay, we can laugh about straight men being "old guard"!
Thanks for the laugh!


I am not straight, a simple look at my profile would tell you that. I have never claimed to be old guard either. Your preference for telling outright lies about people shows you to be someone with zero integrity.

Oh, and I love how you --- a straight "dominant" --- keep referencing gay people. You're such a part of the gay culture cause you live in SF! Oh man! Sorry, buddy, it doesn't give you a pass for being a bigot. (Which is also proven by the fact that you bash me for "claiming old guard" when I havent-- which proves that you aren't out to bash the fakes who claim to be old guard--- you're bashing everyone who is old guard, including people who are so only in your imagination--- as you are the one who assigned that label to me, not me.)

Your sense of irony is still out of it, I see as welll---- you're joke lampooning the "older guard" was making fun of people who name drop (Jack Rinella) as a way of trying to puff themselves up. Delicious Irony!


Sorry, buddy, you cane lie and name drop as much as you want--- but as long as you bash people simply because thy do things differently than you, I will stand here and defend them. And I know that means you will then start attacking me personally.

If you want to impress anyone, try constructing an argument ,rather than your constant self aggrandizement and personal attacks.


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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 3:00:51 PM   
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What you said that I find most objectionable was (parphrased) that "anyone who says old guard endorsed switching is confusing fantasy for reality".


Paraphrased?  Is that the same as 'putting words in his mouth'?

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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 3:01:11 PM   
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Sorry, buddy, you cane lie and name drop as much as you want--- but as long as you bash people simply because thy do things differently than you, I will stand here and defend them. And I know that means you will then start attacking me personally.



If you like, I can utilize the search engine and make some very clear quotes regarding how you have bashed other people who do things differently than you.

Pot meet Kettle, Kettle meet Pot.

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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 3:04:29 PM   
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While I have my own views about people that have been "lifestyle" educators good and bad and I do not know Michael even though we are both in the Bay Area, I do not think he was trying to be a bigot to you, AdventurousLife, he was being as passionate about what he thinks as you.

Look, the bottom line is this, there is truth and myth in Old Guard and not one true way.  We all have our opinions and we take what we like about history of BDSM and levels of play and we discard the rest.  There are leatherwomyn who consider themselves Old Guard (Vi Johnson is one of them) and while some may dispute that, I don't. I have my opinions on what I think qualifies as Old Guard or not, but there is no set rules.  There was a foundation to the BDSM community, we all know that and sadly some of those from those days are no longer here and some of us were lucky enough to learn from them and it appears many keep learning from those who are still here.

But I'm willing to bet that those educators of those who were active in the Gay Leather community of late 60s to early 70s don't believe in one true way either.  If they did, there would have never been The Eulenspiegel Society (now TES), Society Of Janus and the leather groups that haven't even been formed yet

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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 3:07:56 PM   
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I give up. I've been repeatedly lied about here, misrepresented, and I've been repeatedly personally attacked, and now I'm being threatened by MadRabbit with an avalanche of lies and misrepresentations.... when I call him on his earlier lies to attack me.

That's it. I defended people who practice the old guard tradition, and thus I have taken a minority viewpoint and defended it. Therefore, in what I can only see as standard procedure for the "lifestyle" community I am being run out on a rail for it-- and that if I continue to defend against this, there will be no ending the personal attacks.

Bottom line is-- since all you have been able to do-- MadRabbit, Michael, etc. --- is make personal attacks against me--- by logic, you have lost the argument, you haven't even defended your position.

But since there are more of you than me, and since you appreantly will sink as low as you like-- even calling me "straight"-- I give up. Life is too short to waste it here with people who will not bother to defend their positions and instead engage only in personal attack.

Congratulations-- you win.

Caio.


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RE: Old Guard? - 7/26/2007 3:12:50 PM   
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FR:  In an effort to calm this nastyfest, among people I (mostly) respect, or at least tolerate:

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  MadHatter (snipped, at the end of a series of long posts)  You have spent the last few posts pontificating about THE tradtions that THE Old Guard follow so I would be most interested in knowing what exactly THE traditions are so I can spot THE Old Guard.


I AM Old Guard*, and I am glad to answer your questions:

Things to look for in identifying "The Old Guard", taken from our recent (October, 2006) celebration of our 225th anniversary (the anniversary of the Battle of Lexington):
  • the ceremonial presentation of the British commanders’ sword to General Washington’s second-in-command, General Benjamin Lincoln;
  • the methodical surrendering of British regimental flags and musical instruments
  • the grounding of British weapons, regiment by regiment.

Among our deeply held traditions:

Wreath laying ceremony at the French Memorial in memory of French war veterans.

Wreath laying ceremony at the grave of Governor Thomas Nelson, Jr. at Grace
Episcopal Church.

Wreath laying ceremony at Redoubts 9 and 10. Sponsored by Tidewater German Society. Yorktown Battlefield.

Dedication of new sign at the French Memorial, marking the end of the Washington-Rochambeau Revolutionary Route (W-3R). The W-3R follows, for 600 miles through 9 states, the route taken by the American and French armies from Newport, Rhode Island to reach Yorktown prior to the siege. (French Memorial, Yorktown Battlefield)

Program in remembrance of French soldiers killed during the Siege of Yorktown, to include commemorative ceremony at the College of William & Mary’s Wren Building and living history presentation at Colonial Williamsburg. (Wren Building, College of William & Mary)

Battle of the Hook Re-enactment. (Endview Plantation)

Re-enactment of French Attack on Fusilier’s Redoubt. (Endview Plantation)

 
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Confused?  You don't need to be:  The Old Guard is the oldest infantry unit in the active Army, predating the Constitution of the United States to 1784. As a unit of the Military District of Washington, the 3rd U.S. Infantry is charged with the unique mission of serving as the U.S. Army's official ceremonial unit,  performing tactical infantry missions and providing security for the nation's capital.
 
My point?   Many Military and quasi-military reenactors use the term "Old Guard" to denote something venerable, respectable and honored.  There are "Old Guards" all over the globe, mine happens to be American.  Is it any surprise, then, that people co-opt the term to describe a fantasy of old-line, honorable kink if they are themselves into kink and seeking a link to the past?  Indeed, do you think the term as used post-WWII in certain large cities to denote the gay leather motorcycle culture is an accident?
 
The difference is, of course, MY "Old Guard" -- the military reenactor group -- has a verifiable, traceable history with traditions, conditions and ... well...history.  As Archer, SimplyMichael and some others correctly point out, that history is lacking in the B/D/S/M context, except as well documented (and for God's sake, here on CM, well cited) memoirs of several aging or sadly now gone gay activists.
 
Now, can't we all just get along, or do I have to bring out the musket and put some grape shot up some anal canals?

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