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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 8/2/2007 8:40:02 AM   
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Many moons ago, I worked as a paramedic, and was asked by a gentleman who I transported to the hospital to  call someone for him.  He was gravely ill.  I knew of his kink side from being around locally, and I knew that he had a pro relationship with this woman.  She came into the hospital and was with him in the ICU when he died. 

SHE was all he had.



Were the cops called when they caught her trying to pull out his fillings?

That's just plain ignorant.

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 8/2/2007 9:16:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

They were talking briefly on the radio today about dominatrices and basically said that they are all just radical feminists who hate men and are just looking for an easy way to make a buck.

What do you think is the basis of these stereotypes and is there any truth to them?


I think that when you are talking about only the "Pros" that there is some truth to the above statement....I should have clarified...Sorry.



If Pros hated men they would only take on women.


Hi Mistress H,
I have to disagree as a Pro...I'm seriously not fond of most men and detest other men completely,only a handful do I respect.
Yet the majority of My "clients" are men. I can safely say they enjoy the
pain they get here and part of the way I work feeds on that dislike of men.
So I have no problem torureing their 'worm' to the point of them crying.
The submissives who are into that kind of pain seem to really enjoy that I can be so...ummm brutal at times.

*I should mention...not  E/everyone gets along so there
a few Women I dont see eye to eye with.Thats all part of life.*

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 8/2/2007 9:19:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66

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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

They were talking briefly on the radio today about dominatrices and basically said that they are all just radical feminists who hate men and are just looking for an easy way to make a buck.

What do you think is the basis of these stereotypes and is there any truth to them?


I think that when you are talking about only the "Pros" that there is some truth to the above statement....I should have clarified...Sorry.



If Pros hated men they would only take on women.


Hi Mistress H,
I have to disagree as a Pro...I'm seriously not fond of most men and detest other men completely,only a handful do I respect.
Yet the majority of My "clients" are men. I can safely say they enjoy the
pain they get here and part of the way I work feeds on that dislike of men.
So I have no problem torureing their 'worm' to the point of them crying.
The submissives who are into that kind of pain seem to really enjoy that I can be so...ummm brutal at times.

*I should mention...not  E/everyone gets along so there
a few Women I dont see eye to eye with.Thats all part of life.*


Interesting. I actually respected - and liked -  most of my clients way more than most of the people I'd ever worked for when I was in corporate. There are always a few assholes who make you hate your day, but the majority were pretty cool.



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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 8/2/2007 9:23:44 AM   
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I have met a few Dommes in my day, some have been not so nice, but others have been very helpful. The ones that were helpful actually taught me a few things about the lifestyle when I first started out when I was quite young, when nobody really wanted to take me under their wing. The others that were not so nice, well that was quite an unpleasent experience. But do all Dommes hate men? I would have to say in a word..... no.

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 8/2/2007 12:17:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy

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ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66

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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

They were talking briefly on the radio today about dominatrices and basically said that they are all just radical feminists who hate men and are just looking for an easy way to make a buck.

What do you think is the basis of these stereotypes and is there any truth to them?


I think that when you are talking about only the "Pros" that there is some truth to the above statement....I should have clarified...Sorry.



If Pros hated men they would only take on women.


Hi Mistress H,
I have to disagree as a Pro...I'm seriously not fond of most men and detest other men completely,only a handful do I respect.
Yet the majority of My "clients" are men. I can safely say they enjoy the
pain they get here and part of the way I work feeds on that dislike of men.
So I have no problem torureing their 'worm' to the point of them crying.
The submissives who are into that kind of pain seem to really enjoy that I can be so...ummm brutal at times.

*I should mention...not  E/everyone gets along so there
a few Women I dont see eye to eye with.Thats all part of life.*


Interesting. I actually respected - and liked -  most of my clients way more than most of the people I'd ever worked for when I was in corporate. There are always a few assholes who make you hate your day, but the majority were pretty cool.




I should have been a little clearer and added I dont
dislike or disrespect the submissives I session with...if I didnt like them in some way they wouldnt be here.I have to like a submissive to session with them.There has to be some sort of connection with a person whether its a Pro session or a personal one.
The point I was trying to make is that My dislike for some men is what helps
to feed My energy to be mean.
I was also just being honest that I am one Domme who dislikes men.Hate is a strong word dislike says it better.

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 8/2/2007 1:59:50 PM   
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i have sevral Domme and a Pro Dommes who are friends
so i say no its not true
 
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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/24/2007 10:16:32 PM   
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Do Pro Dommes hate men?

It has been my experience that they niether love, like or hate men.  They only love MONEY.  It beats whoring on the streets and it is legal almost everywhere.  I have never had a good experience with a pro dommes EVER.  This is after about seventeen sessions in four different states.

I had the most fun in Florida where I just paid streetwalkers to do it, and it was much better because I also go laid as a bonus(safe and protected of course).  BTW it usually only cost me between $40 and $60 as of 2005.  Beats the hell out of the $300 price tag some of them want and all you get to do is jerk off.

So, as the old addage goes.......men want sex....and women want money.  I think I found a good solution personally.  Unfortunately here in central Nebraska I cannot find a pro at anything.  If there was only a pro lady here I could find life would be perfect.


It has been my experience that they niether love, like or hate men.  They only love MONEY.

No more or less than men,dominaent ,switch or sub.

I know many wonderful,nice women,pro and non-pro,as friends.
I can call bullshit on this,also.

Sounds like sour grapes,for some here.

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/24/2007 10:35:51 PM   
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So do Dommes hate men?

Only when they ask stupid ass questions.

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/24/2007 10:36:10 PM   
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They were talking briefly on the radio today about dominatrices and basically said that they are all just radical feminists who hate men and are just looking for an easy way to make a buck.

It seems dommes are viewed in a very negative way by the vanilla world...even more negative than male doms.

What do you think is the basis of these stereotypes and is there any truth to them?


Only the fucktards.

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/24/2007 10:43:59 PM   
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So do Dommes hate men?

Only when they ask stupid ass questions.

chia* (the pet)


rofl

I'm a switch, I certainly don't do painful activities out of any hatred for men, I love men, I also love to watch human behavior and see what makes a person sweat and what brings them joy.  I can't answer for proDommes, I'm a chick the concept of having to pay for sex ever escapes me.

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/25/2007 6:34:51 AM   
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I can only speak for myself ... but I love men....I have never asked for cash or anything else and never will.  If someone that belongs to me or wants to belong to me sends me flowers etc without being asked....or sends me gifts, that is up to them and yes I will enjoy the gifts in the spirit I hope they were sent...and no, gifts does NOT insure my attention or acceptance of their service.

I think that Pro anything probably are into it more for the money than anything and perhaps that breeds contempt.  I do know that there are Dominants of both sexes who insist on being supported by their submissives ... do I automatically believe they hate the other sex?? No.... tho I would question the reason they are in the lifestyle.

Generalities are prejudicial and I think intelligent people avoid makeing statements like that.

Just my opinion

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/25/2007 6:52:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bluesteel762x51

Do Pro Dommes hate men?

It has been my experience that they niether love, like or hate men.  They only love MONEY.  It beats whoring on the streets and it is legal almost everywhere.  I have never had a good experience with a pro dommes EVER.  This is after about seventeen sessions in four different states.

I had the most fun in Florida where I just paid streetwalkers to do it, and it was much better because I also go laid as a bonus(safe and protected of course).  BTW it usually only cost me between $40 and $60 as of 2005.  Beats the hell out of the $300 price tag some of them want and all you get to do is jerk off.

So, as the old addage goes.......men want sex....and women want money.  I think I found a good solution personally.  Unfortunately here in central Nebraska I cannot find a pro at anything.  If there was only a pro lady here I could find life would be perfect.


It has been my experience that they niether love, like or hate men.  They only love MONEY.

No more or less than men,dominaent ,switch or sub.

I know many wonderful,nice women,pro and non-pro,as friends.
I can call bullshit on this,also.

Sounds like sour grapes,for some here.


Not really...I don't really care how one goes about to make their money if they are not harming someone....lol.

I don't dig strippers, prostitutes, porn folks and pro sex workers....The only reason is because it is all rather sad that the way you have chosen to make a living is due to the fact that you were born with equipment that people desire....It says little about ability or brains or anything that requires much skill...It is the employer of the uninspired, it seeks out the lowest common denominator of attributes, and does not inspire or reward those who look for more. 

No one would want their child to work in the sex industry....I wouldn't buy lil' Domigirl a Barbie stripper pole or a Square Bob Sponge Pants enema kit...It's kind of gross and it's kind of pathetic.

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/25/2007 7:04:23 AM   
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First off, I think you need to look around this website and the internet a bit more if you think most dominas dont demand cash from their subs. 90% of the female dominant profiles on this site alone demand money up front before they will even answer your e-mail.

And I just love the ones that say you have to pay them $100 to prove you are "worthy." LOL! In other words, they want proof the person they are talking to is rich and can provide for the lavish and spoiled lifestyles they think they deserve. Most of these women have also never worked a day in their lives, will never accomplish all that much, and will always depend on men to stay afloat.



Actually, there are quite a few of us who do not demand cash.

But for you...I'm sure we could make an exception. 

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/25/2007 7:32:43 AM   
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Yes, I do believe that the nilla population in general tends to view female dominants in an even more negative light than they do male dominants.  The fact that money gets involved intnesifies the view, especially because most nillas - and plenty of kinky folks - have never heard of a pro dominant being male.
 
The negativity has its roots in multiple societal hangups, and they go DEEP.  Male submissives are generally regarded as "sissy", despite the fact that many, many of them aren't even close to being "sissy" in any regard.  As gender roles are challenged (I'm speaking from the paradigm of American society here), men who feel threatened view women increasingly negatively.  Women who prefer to have the social appearance of more traditional status quo while "topping from below" (the nilla's invented that one, ya know), also tend to get hostile toward women they feel threaten that status quo, be they a pro Domme or Gloria Steinem.
 
Then there is the sexual angst.  Those uncomfortable with kink, uncomfortable with their own sexuality, or who feel intimidated by those who embrace their sexuality are sure as hell not going to be comforted by the existence of pro Dommes.  Any man who is uncomfortable with the idea that women can have strong sex drives (amazing how many of them are) is going to be weirded out by pro Dommes.  Women who've never had an orgasm, or don't like sex for whatever reason, are not going to consider pro Dommes a warm fuzzy.  Those who've never had sex with the lights on aren't going to hear about a woman in latex and leather holding a man on a leash while he kisses her stilleto heels, mops her floor, then licks her pussy and think, "Ya know, Ralph (or Mildred), we should try that nex Saturday."...Well....not usually.
 
Even in cases where sex isn't involved, the nilla world tends to view bdsm as sexual.  Pro domming is no exception, and gets equated with prostitution, whether it is or isn't.  THAT dredges up a whole new batch of societal anxiety.
 
The things mentioned above can quite easily be translated into sentiments such as:
"Men run things.  We are stronger.  Any woman daring to take a dominant role over one of us is undermining all of us...and the guy paying her to do it is a traitor."
"Real women don't boss men around...I'D NEVER do something like that.  That kind of thing could ruin our society (i.e. "my life the way I like it)"
"A man can't possibly enjoy that unless he's sick.  It takes a hateful bitch to take advantage of the mentally ill for monetary gain."
"Women are supposed to be the ones who serve.  A woman can't possibly like/love men and treat them that way."
 
The list goes on, both of the sentiments, and of their roots.
 
LOL, male dominants get off light...society just considers them to be abusive, violent, unkind, unloving, SOB's who should be tossed into jail.  Female dominants - especially the pros - get labeled as typifying the end of decency, societal structure, moral fiber; cold and unloving; golddiggers preying on the disturbed; and well, dang it, just plain EVIL.
 
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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/25/2007 7:46:51 AM   
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First off, I think you need to look around this website and the internet a bit more if you think most dominas dont demand cash from their subs. 90% of the female dominant profiles on this site alone demand money up front before they will even answer your e-mail.

And I just love the ones that say you have to pay them $100 to prove you are "worthy." LOL! In other words, they want proof the person they are talking to is rich and can provide for the lavish and spoiled lifestyles they think they deserve. Most of these women have also never worked a day in their lives, will never accomplish all that much, and will always depend on men to stay afloat.


I am sad for you if that is all you are finding.  Perhaps you should tweak your search criteria a bit and find the 50% of us that are sincere and don't charge a dime.  All we require is some personality and some sincerity from you.

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/25/2007 7:51:20 AM   
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As a lesbian feminist Domme, I'd like to go off on a rant and say that everyone's so ready to say that any faction of women hates men as a whole, because that makes it so much easier to dismiss their efforts to be seen as equals. However, in this particular case, I think it's a bit of that combined with the fact that the vanilla world just doesn't understand the dynamics between a Dom/me and a sub. To them it looks like hatred, to us it looks like love.

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/25/2007 8:40:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

They were talking briefly on the radio today about dominatrices and basically said that they are all just radical feminists who hate men and are just looking for an easy way to make a buck.

It seems dommes are viewed in a very negative way by the vanilla world...even more negative than male doms.

What do you think is the basis of these stereotypes and is there any truth to them?


What ignorance on the radio.

That would militant feminists not radical feminists.

Come on, do some basic research on social movements, radio folks.

*shakes head at silliness of the world*

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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/25/2007 10:47:31 AM   
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I put several years of blood sweat and tears trying to make sure that men with no other outlet had access to safe, proffessional, and yes, CARING SM experiences. Call me naive, but if a shrink an MD a dentist and anyone else who takes money for personal services can be said to be caring, so could I. Men entrusted me with their fantasies - I protected their identity, dignity, and the INTEGRITY of the fantasy - even if it was "I need you to spit in my face and make me your pig" that has integrity in my personal world. If someone has a deeply held fetish or fantasy about being used and having his money taken it's not the be-all-end-all of SM but how is that more fucked up or less legitimate than a rape fantasy?

It isn't, of course.

So yeah, I really really hate men.

Amazing, isn't it?  You share the same boat with the male dominants who, upon emerging, deal with major internal issues - many of those issues arising simply BECAUSE they love and respect women as people.  A man can wrestle long and hard with feeling he's a monster for wanting to inflict pain or control, etc., because society has taught him there is never an acceptable context for that behavior.  Eventually, he starts to ask, "But what if she wants it, even needs it, to be healthy and happy?"  The most fortunate eventually find themselves both saying and believing, "I'd never do this to a woman who didn't long for it, or one that it robbed personhood from.  We balance each other.  I sure wouldn't go to all this effort and care for someone I didn't give a shit about."  Why do people still, at this late date, still cling to the misbegotten notion that women are inferior to, rather than different, from men?  Or that being a male dominant means your more loving than a female dominant.  Sheesh. 
 
Something that may not have been mentioned yet in this thread, (sorry if it was and I overlooked it) is that there are far more submissive hetero men than there are Dommes.  There simply are not enough to go around.  For many of those men, the services of a professional dominant may be the ONLY outlet they ever have access to.  It is far easier for a submissive woman to find a bdsm partner, and even at that, I've experienced enough lack in my own life at times to understand that pro dominants are an assett to humanity.  I suppose some people might feel that if they want to benfit society, they should do it for free, but the time required to do much of it would seriously impact the time needed to earn a livelihood.  Seems wrong to me to throw stones at someone who does.

Because one is not a good businesswoman when she cares quite as much as I did.

Smart woman.  And thanks for sharing your personal view and experience.



General commentary to no one in particular:  The world is full of men who hate women, and women who hate men.  Some of them practice avoidance.  Others strive to manipulate and control that which they despise.  Some work hard at never missing an opportunity to victimize the other.  Saddly, the phenomenon isn't restricted to the nilla world.  Like it or not, one of the reasons this lifestyle/path/WIITWD, has such low regard in the nilla world is because their ARE predators and unstable, users and abusers, masquarading as dominants and submissives.  Seeing and understanding the differences can be a real challenge for a lot of people.  When you listen to some of the discussions in forums like this, it is easy to see why not much progress is being made in enlightening the nilla world.
 
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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/25/2007 10:50:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

They were talking briefly on the radio today about dominatrices and basically said that they are all just radical feminists who hate men and are just looking for an easy way to make a buck.

It seems dommes are viewed in a very negative way by the vanilla world...even more negative than male doms.

What do you think is the basis of these stereotypes and is there any truth to them?


What ignorance on the radio.

That would militant feminists not radical feminists.

Come on, do some basic research on social movements, radio folks.

*shakes head at silliness of the world*


By now I should be used to it, but the idiocy of the world still baffles me.  You'd think that most people would know the difference between "feminist" and "man hater" by now.
 
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RE: So do Dommes hate men? - 9/25/2007 1:29:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: amelliagrace

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo


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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

They were talking briefly on the radio today about dominatrices and basically said that they are all just radical feminists who hate men and are just looking for an easy way to make a buck.

It seems dommes are viewed in a very negative way by the vanilla world...even more negative than male doms.

What do you think is the basis of these stereotypes and is there any truth to them?


What ignorance on the radio.

That would militant feminists not radical feminists.

Come on, do some basic research on social movements, radio folks.

*shakes head at silliness of the world*


By now I should be used to it, but the idiocy of the world still baffles me. You'd think that most people would know the difference between "feminist" and "man hater" by now.

-grace


Feminism is an umbrella term for a social movement that has a lot of different branches.

Some like militant feminists may very well hate men -- they also seem to be a teeny tiny branch and examples often touted out are usually groups of between 1 and 5 people so obviously huge movement there.

Other branches like separatist feminists really don't think about men at all except to not deal with them or deal with them as little as possible. Whether or not hatred is involved is rather besides the point if the goal is to never interact.

The largest group is probably liberal feminists who believe that in order to change things you become part of the things you are trying to change -- push education, push participation, push gaining power/authority and using it.

But there probably at least another dozen branches of feminism.

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