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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/7/2005 4:42:18 PM

JustaTop

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Some people are simply so full of themselves that they feel they have rights-when they do not. Or that a role or title priviliges them with the ability to command.

I feel that these people have conditioned themselves to unrealistic expectations. If they upset you,simply turn your back to them,and walk away. If they pursue and put hands on you,advise them that you will have no problem with filing assault charges, should they persist. If you had done this with the fellow who upset you-he would have lost face over it. You may have faced some small censure over it-but others would have laughed at him for his failure to make the gambit work. And he would have been more reluctant to try it again. Giving in only encourages more of this sort of childish behavior.

If all else fails,have your escort confront him. Again,the negative reenforcement of being lessened with a dressing down in front of his peers will discourage repeat performances.

The laws of the land are not suspended within the confines of a bdsm club or event. And as far as disclaimers go? It's merely a way for a club owner to try and cover their ass. If push came to shove,most won't hold up in court.

One last thing-if the venue allows and encourages this-why are you supporting them with your attendance?

< Message edited by JustaTop -- 10/7/2005 4:43:15 PM >

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/7/2005 5:24:25 PM

Delvin

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ORIGINAL: plantlady64

Hello Sir's,
I'm hopeful you can help me with a question that's been very frustrating for me so far.
Why do large percentages of Dom's feel a sub must be subserviant to them if I'm not their sub? Is there some unwritten law that says if you choose to be a sub, you are to expect to be controlled by anyone who claims to be a Dom? In social parties, or even the Dungeon I go to I don't feel it should be necessary to be submissive to all Dom's. I don't understand why I must be in my role to people I don't respect, like or ever intend to submit to or play with. I don't show respect unless I feel their actions warrant that respect. Mind you I'm not mouthy or rude, I'm just not following their directions of me.
Am I wrong?
Sincerely questioning my Position as it pertains to the world at large, and not my friends,
sub suzanne
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Perhaps... its is the view you have....

Play = Fun = submissive = Dungeon = Fun = Game.

Submissive is a natural state, not something you turn on and off at a whim. W/we all have Dominant and submissive sides, yet one of those are the "Dominant" make-up of our ego. Before this gets hijakced into sub vs slave banter once again (gag), I would think the main reason why people are not serious with you is that you are not serious about yourself.

Best wishes
D

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/7/2005 7:36:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Delvin

quote:

ORIGINAL: plantlady64

Hello Sir's,
I'm hopeful you can help me with a question that's been very frustrating for me so far.
Why do large percentages of Dom's feel a sub must be subserviant to them if I'm not their sub? Is there some unwritten law that says if you choose to be a sub, you are to expect to be controlled by anyone who claims to be a Dom? In social parties, or even the Dungeon I go to I don't feel it should be necessary to be submissive to all Dom's. I don't understand why I must be in my role to people I don't respect, like or ever intend to submit to or play with. I don't show respect unless I feel their actions warrant that respect. Mind you I'm not mouthy or rude, I'm just not following their directions of me.
Am I wrong?
Sincerely questioning my Position as it pertains to the world at large, and not my friends,
sub suzanne
--------------------------------

Perhaps... its is the view you have....

Play = Fun = submissive = Dungeon = Fun = Game.

Submissive is a natural state, not something you turn on and off at a whim. W/we all have Dominant and submissive sides, yet one of those are the "Dominant" make-up of our ego. Before this gets hijakced into sub vs slave banter once again (gag), I would think the main reason why people are not serious with you is that you are not serious about yourself.

Best wishes
D

I have a submissive nature, but I am not submissive to every Tom Dick and Harry who claims to be a Dom. I am polite but I don't call anyone Sir or Ma'am unless in a scene and I call only one person Master. If anyone assumed that I'd call them Sir/Ma'am or whatever as a matter of course they would politely be told that although I am a submissive I am not their submissive and refer them to the engagement ring on my left hand

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/7/2005 8:02:07 PM

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A general reply to no-one in particular....

I may not have much experience, but I have not found Dominant men or women to be this way at all.
There may be some, but I have not met them... maybe I have just been lucky.
Almost all of the people I have met whether online or in real life.. have been great.

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/9/2005 9:02:47 AM

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i am only submissive to the one i choose to be that way with.

just because i enjoy the power exchange doesn't mean i enjoy it with all!

if Doms EXPECT me to let them control me at the drop off the hat,

they havent taken the time to get to know me
and
it is an 'unspoken expectation' that will not be met

cause i'll tell them to kiss my sweet ass!

quote:

ORIGINAL: plantlady64

Hello Sir's,
I'm hopeful you can help me with a question that's been very frustrating for me so far.
Why do large percentages of Dom's feel a sub must be subserviant to them if I'm not their sub? Is there some unwritten law that says if you choose to be a sub, you are to expect to be controlled by anyone who claims to be a Dom? In social parties, or even the Dungeon I go to I don't feel it should be necessary to be submissive to all Dom's. I don't understand why I must be in my role to people I don't respect, like or ever intend to submit to or play with. I don't show respect unless I feel their actions warrant that respect. Mind you I'm not mouthy or rude, I'm just not following their directions of me.
Am I wrong?
Sincerely questioning my Position as it pertains to the world at large, and not my friends,
sub suzanne

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/9/2005 9:08:40 AM

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ROFLMFAO

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ORIGINAL: onceburned

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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic
I believe, too, if you're unattached, you can treat anyone however you see fit. Your under no more obligation to an alleged dominant than you are to a potato.

Obey the potato.

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/9/2005 4:06:45 PM

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Firstly, define your idea of "ownership" -- if we use mine, it does not necessary equate to a physical taking of a body. I am owned, though I have not set eyes on the man who owns me for nearly a year now. We were together for two years and I was released due to something I prefer not to go into to. He and I still talk almost every day and, with luck, in the near future I will get to see him again. The fact that I no longer wear his collar does not change the fact that he owns me. Why? Because I trust him with my life, want to please him above and beyond reasoning and will obey unconditionally. That, to me, is being owned.

Syn

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/9/2005 5:23:56 PM

Cahira

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Very nicely put Gauge.

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/9/2005 6:53:56 PM

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as I like to reread some of these older posts that will not die because there's always another opinion to add to it...I'm kinda sitting here in shock that the question somehow got lost in personal comments...I'm just a rebred southern boy here but I think just the tenor of this post examplies the same nature of the conflict plantlady has...you can't force and idea or a presonna down anyones throat...(althought there are things you can...lol)...so IMHO...let me be the Roddey King of the cyber ways and say....can't we all just get along...

Fury

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/9/2005 11:14:30 PM

Hallittlelolita

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I believe that sub dosen't equal sheep to all. Well first off i am not a sub but a slave and the only one i obey is my Master not anyone else. i am polite to people but i dont obey anyone else if you are a Master, Mistress, Dom, Domme you are not my Master so there for i wont call you it, i will call you by your first name unless my Master tells me otherwise.

sincerely andie and her Master Hal

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/10/2005 12:58:13 AM

IronBear

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Sub = Obedient sheep to all????

Sure they are.. Carnivorious sheep with large canines with a taste for testicals which are consumed whole. They also have strange mating habbits.....

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/10/2005 6:14:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Sub = Obedient sheep to all????

Sure they are.. Carnivorious sheep with large canines with a taste for testicals which are consumed whole. They also have strange mating habbits.....

to Funny IronBear! but may I add that their favorite habbit is to stalk Masters wearing long Red Capes carrying baskets on their way to Grammas house....

Q

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/10/2005 7:51:57 AM

IronBear

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ORIGINAL: Quivver

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

Sub = Obedient sheep to all????

Sure they are.. Carnivorious sheep with large canines with a taste for testicals which are consumed whole. They also have strange mating habbits.....

to Funny IronBear! but may I add that their favorite habbit is to stalk Masters wearing long Red Capes carrying baskets on their way to Grammas house....

Q

The baskets contain chocolate??????? Nooooooooooooo... Ahhhh I have it. the baskets contain Chocolate Testicals, yes??????

< Message edited by IronBear -- 10/10/2005 7:53:39 AM >

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/10/2005 8:13:29 AM

JustaTop

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Why am I suddenly feeling like selling stainless steel jockstraps could be a going concern here?

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/10/2005 8:20:23 AM

IronBear

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ORIGINAL: JustaTop

Why am I suddenly feeling like selling stainless steel jockstraps could be a going concern here?

Might be a going business especially if they were sub/slave proof.... Most of the ones I know can get intio your knickers without you knowing to take good care to use good locks.....

< Message edited by IronBear -- 10/10/2005 8:57:52 AM >

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/10/2005 8:56:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

quote:

ORIGINAL: JustaTop

Why am I suddenly feeling like selling stainless steel jockstraps could be a going concern here?

Might be a going business especially if they were sub/slave proof.... Most of the ones I know can get intio your knickers without you knowing to take good care to use good kicks.....

Just beware of the cute lil chocolate hungry Sheep in Wolves clothing.

Q

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/10/2005 9:32:36 AM

JustaTop

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Not an issue,one simply learns to master the prick-first.

It's never a problem once one manages that. If you do not,someone else will.

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/10/2005 9:45:22 AM

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Laughing..."prick-first" sounds like the way most men charge in to solve a problem.

"Algernon, faced with a bothersome paper-jam in his printer, boldly engaged the problem prick-first."

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ORIGINAL: JustaTop

prick-first

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/10/2005 10:06:34 AM

JustaTop

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Yup,and then whine when it gets shredded in the machinery.

Stupid?

Who knew?

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RE: Sub = Obedient sheep to all???? - 10/10/2005 10:38:23 AM

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Then I would say said dom was over the line and behaving rudely. Now why he did so, what motivated him I cannot say without knowing more. If you read back over my examples, no where did I suggest that I would bark orders at you... I did state that I might ask you to get me a drink or ask you to check on something for me or other such simple tasks that are neither personal nor intimate in nature.

Hello There,
There really was nothing before this gesture of his. I'd seen him at a social and we'd discussed getting to know each other better. I went to a dungeon with one of my male friends. We were talking about the rules of the dungeon we were in and he grabbed my chin and told me I could not talk unless he ask me to.
1- I was with someone else. I mean how rude was that to my newly introduced to BDSM friend I was with that night? I'd like to see someone grab me when I'm out with my Master now. It would be the last time they'd grab me without his permission I assure you.
2- He wasn't asking me to get him anything other than giving me an order.
3-I'd never played with him and only met him once before.
Your guess as to what made him such an ass is as good as mine. I have no idea what possessed this guy.

I was just beginning to date my Master seriously when this happened. I ask my Master how my friend and I should have responded.
The next Social where the three of us were all there, my Master told him that even though I didn't belong to him yet, this guy had better leave me alone or he'd have to answer to Him. He told this guy he decided to be my protector and if he ever touched me again he would regret it. Being my Master is 6'3 and this guy is 5'8 he didn't argue. My Master also told me in front of him, to not talk to him period ever again, to pretend he didn't exist. This has worked well for me as this guy is at a lot of the events I attend.

I guess in all it was just rude and he's to ignorant to understand you don't behave like that if you want to be respected.

Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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