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Alumbrado -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 2:26:48 PM)

I'm thinking that this Internet thing is too confusing for kittinSol to keep up with who is talking to whom.....[sm=biggrin.gif]




mnottertail -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 2:27:01 PM)

Well, fuckin' guilt by association, Sinergy.
You know how it works.  Buck it up, lad.

LOL
Ron




EldroRolod -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 2:29:03 PM)

A few points to make...  and yes i know about guns.  I'm a military instructor and teach people how to use a variety of weapons..  but the points are;  more people die from car accidents each year than guns.. accidental shootings and murder combined.  no one is trying to ban the car.  (cars help people make money,.. its always about money)

The most dangerous person with a gun is one who doesnt know how to use it properly.  If someone wants to kill you, they dont need a gun.  Thousands of people were hacked to death with machettes in africa for instance during tribal warfare.  Its just another method to control the populace and keep the powerful powerful.

I know how to kill you with a good ballpoint pen.  Maybe we should get those dangerous devices off the streets.  Kids who are properly taught about weapons dont accidentally shoot their cousin while trying to show off his daddy's pistol in the school yard. 

I'm all about protecting kids.  I have 4 kids myself.  But, it should start with teaching your kids what they need to know instead of letting them learn it from bubba down the street.




popeye1250 -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 2:34:38 PM)

I'm real big on the First Amendment as well as the Second.
No one's called me a "Free Speech Nut" though.




GhitaAmati -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 2:35:21 PM)

*stands up and claps*




kittinSol -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 2:41:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

I'm thinking that this Internet thing is too confusing for kittinSol to keep up with who is talking to whom.....[sm=biggrin.gif]



I'm blonde and Jewish. What can I say? It's fucking confusing, isn't it?




Alumbrado -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 2:42:26 PM)

You talkin' to me?




(Apologies to DiNiro)




captainblack -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 4:29:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

One doesnt have to be a professional to "state" anything, in fact make all the statements you want...but please don't group everyone into one big lump of insanity because we don't all have the same beliefs you do.

Now, I havent seen the video clip, I have dialup and cant check out youtube stuff...so I have no idea whats going on...but, I will be very adament in saying, just because someone has weapons in the vicinity of children does not make them insane. I was raised around weapons, so were my parents and grandparents. My kids all know we own and carry weapons on a daily basis. Gun safety discussions in my family start about age 2. Every 12 year old on my block could break down a handgun or a rifle just as fast as most adults. Guns around kids isnt a problem, ignorance around kids near guns is.




Damn straight girl! I started to learn about guns at the age of 3. Dad started with safety when he would show his weapons to his buddies. I was taught how to break the shotguns, and pop the cylinders on the revolvers as well as how to pull the bolts and slides back on bolt and slide action guns. He taught me always treat a gun as if it were loaded and only point it at something you intend to shoot. My first memory of shooting was a 22 pistol at the age of 4 or 5. The whole time I was growing up there were guns about the house. After Dad was sure that I treated all arms as if they were loaded there was always a loaded shotgun where I could get to it in case of home intrusion. I also knew where both of my folks pistols were. What is needed to keep kids safe around guns is good gun education starting at a young age!

It is interesting that in NYC every 5 to 10 years some cops kid kills someone or themselves with mom or dad's service weapon. How and why? Well most New Yorkers, including cops just have the wrong attitude about guns....they think guns kill. They fail to recognize that a gun is just a tool....much as a drill, a hammer, a baseball bat, or a single tail. All the afore mentioned can kill if the person on the "handle end" wants to kill with them. Because of this poor attitude they are afraid to teach proper gun safety to their kids. I suppose you could look at this as evolution at work.



-CB
Gun Control a tight group at 200 yards




substobbws -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 4:46:03 PM)

Yeah, I respect anyone's right to their opinion, but have to remember that guns and the willingness to own and use them are what give people the ability to exercise their rights. The ugly truth of reality is that you have to be ready to be just as brutal as the people who would deprive you of your rights for their own selfish purposes.

We have a biased media that doesn't exactly jump to report the net saving of human life wherever concealed carry is voted in, but will jump to report any accidental shooting that supports their agenda. How can you ever compile the statistic "The Number of People Who Weren't Murdered Thanks to Concealed Carry"?

I believe it's Switzerland where members of the military are required to take their full auto weapons home with them on leave, where more than half the homes have full auto weapons in them, and where the crime rate is almost zero. Another tidbit you won't hear on the evening news.




substobbws -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 4:55:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

Ok....but this is where me and the government part ways (ok, we parted long ago, but still a personal pet peeve)...who they hell gave anybody else the right to tell me how to raise my kids? At what point do you stop spouting off about "the greater good" and get out of everyone elses personal business??


Anyone remember the 70s? Don't trust the establishment? Don't trust anyone over 30? LOL, those people are all over 30 and are now part of the establishment. I once heard that if you go too far to the left or right, it basically makes a circle and you end up with the same thing in either extreme. A minority controlling the majority.




Emperor1956 -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 5:17:47 PM)

FastReply.   Oh, come on....don't let this thread deteriorate into a 2nd Amendment rant (on either side).  I'm with MadWelder.  LETS TALK ABOUT SHOTGUNS!!!

He posted two gorgeous links, but I gotta add this one.  There's fantasy wank material for days!

But y'know...somehow this crowd doesn't seem the "fine sportsman shotgun" crowd (except maybe Michael, who I know appreciates fine craft).  This is the "I LIKE TO MAKE THINGS GO BANG" crowd, and I'm just down with that, too.  So here:  My newest desire.  This is such a sweet gun.  I had one for a few days (not with the extended mag.  that would be a civilian no-no.)   And I can shoot for a week and the ammo cost is equal to maybe 2 hours with one of your fancy .50 cals. 

E.




spkmepls -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 5:35:46 PM)

Gun control doesn't keep guns off the streets and away from criminals.. i've been shooting rifles since i was a teenager and am licensed to carry a concealed weapon and do carry whenever i'm out alone.  The liberals have taken over so much of the government and media  that it's not PC to be pro gun any more than it's PC to be pro choice.  Those who are afraid of guns are those who have never studied or used them as a sport. Our country won it's independence with guns and has maintained it's freedom with them..The recent home invasion that was so brutal here in CT could have resulted in the criminals being murdered instead of 2 beautiful teenage girls and their mother, not to mention their brutal rapes, if a gun was in the home for protection.  Home security systems along with a dog are only deterrents... my S&W 38, or 357 allows me to take control of my own defense. 




luckydog1 -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 5:42:13 PM)

Owner59, give me a specific question to answer and I will....then I will expect a response to my direct questions to you.





LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 5:50:11 PM)

I think tazers are cool lol i think everyone should have tazers :




SimplyMichael -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 6:36:21 PM)

My shotgun (for shooting people) is an Ithaca 37 Deerslayer.  I wish I had one of the eight shot models but they are next to impossible to find.  Pumps are more reliable, and the ithaca is the best, less parts, only one hole in the reciever and unlike an 870, doesn't shortstroke and you can reach inside and fix anything which you can't on an 870.

Browning HP for a pistol, most rugged and reliable 9mm ever made.

STG 58 Austrian built FAL on a gear logo Imbel reciever with claro wood stock and grip.




substobbws -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 6:52:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: spkmepls

Gun control doesn't keep guns off the streets and away from criminals.. i've been shooting rifles since i was a teenager and am licensed to carry a concealed weapon and do carry whenever i'm out alone.  The liberals have taken over so much of the government and media  that it's not PC to be pro gun any more than it's PC to be pro choice.  Those who are afraid of guns are those who have never studied or used them as a sport. Our country won it's independence with guns and has maintained it's freedom with them..The recent home invasion that was so brutal here in CT could have resulted in the criminals being murdered instead of 2 beautiful teenage girls and their mother, not to mention their brutal rapes, if a gun was in the home for protection.  Home security systems along with a dog are only deterrents... my S&W 38, or 357 allows me to take control of my own defense. 


I agree. Until the government can assign each citizen their own police officer? If they can't guarantee your protection, they shouldn't complain about how you choose to protect yourself, and I actually think you should be BETTER armed than the criminal if it's at all possible.

Can you imagine the old posse days? LOL. Let's all take off work and spend a few days together chasing someone. I'll bring the beer.

Anyone who knows anything about how common CNC machining is nowadays, along with the fact that steel is one of the cheapest metals available due to the volume it's produced in, can't begin to believe that gun control laws could work. The same machines running legal programs and spitting out engine parts during the day will just be running different ones at night. When you have a pistol in your hand, you surely can't be holding more than $5-10 worth of steel.

If guns were banned and black market prices for pistols go to over $1,000 a pop, who's going to be buying them? The career criminal for whom it's a primary tool of the trade, or the law abiding homeowner who may never need it?

If I were a criminal, I'd LOVE gun control laws, because they'd be disarming my opponents for me. The irony is that it's the taxpayer's money that would be used to disarm the taxpayer for the criminal's benefit, the system the criminal doesn't pay into to begin with.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 6:55:01 PM)

Hey, I got an idea, lets ban drugs, that should REALLY reduce crime!




slaveluci -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 7:12:49 PM)

~FR to no one in particular~

I grew up in a rural area and all the men in my family and surrounding area were hunters.  My dad and granddad (and now my brother) all collected guns.  My brother was in the woods hunting deer by age 8.  He, my sister, and myself were all taught how to shoot and we were taught how dangerous guns can be.  Therefore, we were also taught gun safety.  There were several loaded guns throughout our home the whole time I was growing up.  None of us (or any of our friends) ever touched them without permission and adult supervision.  It's all in how you're taught.

Regardless of all that, I grew up being an anti-gun proponent.  I didn't want to handle them, thought there should be strict gun control, etc.  This all changed one night during college.  I was staying at my grandmother's home alone when someone tried to break into the house in the wee hours of the morning.  I was asleep and the only thing that saved me was that the person accidentally knocked over a huge, stone flower pot.  The noise woke me and I could hear them trying to get in through the locked front door. 

I knew my granny kept a loaded handgun in the dresser so, hands shaking so hard I couldn't hardly hold it, I got it and headed into the living room and toward that front door.  I had a moment to think, though, as they couldn't get through the front door so they went around back and started walking down the length of the back porch toward that door.  I knew it wasn't locked very securely and they could probably push their way in.  At that moment, I had to make a decision.  What was I going to do if they came in through that door?  I decided there was nothing in that house worth dying or killing for and made (what I know think was) a rather fool-hardy decision.  I grabbed my car keys and, gun pointing out in front of me, opened the front door and made a dash to my car.  I got in, locked it, and drove off.  My neighbor and brother then came and the intruder was gone.

The point of that rambling story was that, as much as I "hated" guns, the first thing I did when I felt my life was in danger was to grab one.  It was easy for me to be all smug in my assurance that guns were "bad."  But when I needed one to protect myself, I didn't hesitate to grab it, cock it, and get ready for battle...lol...even though I decided fleeing was the best answer.  The gun gave me the sense of security I needed to run out that door and get out of there.  I didn't use it to kill or maim and it didn't get used against me.  The bottom line is that it afforded me enough security so that I felt safe to get outside and away from the scene of the "intended" crime.

Since then, my attitude has changed.  I saw the hypocrisy of my stance toward guns and have since really changed my thoughts.  Since then, I've even shot an SKS.  Whoosh, the power I felt[;)].  Seriously......everyone is entitled to their take on the matter but that's mine.  I sure hated guns until I needed one.  Now my feelings are: "I'd rather have one and not need it than need one and not have it."..............luci




Owner59 -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 7:15:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

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Until you can iliminate ignorance,we have to err on the side of children.


Oh what evil stems from that sentiment.  I take it you oppose sites like this and anything else of an adult nature on the internet, after all "we must err on the side of children".  We shouldn't allow BDSM books to be sold in bookstores because "we must err on the side of children" 

Rapists use penisis to rape women, we should cut off penises to prevent rape.  I mean "we must err on the side of children"  People like you really REALLY scare me.

I say that as a left wing liberal with socialist leanings that would terrify many here.


Don`t be ridiculous.My comment was in regards to whether kids and guns are good idea,especially hand guns.They`re not.I wasn`t calling for a law or restrictions.I was saying that we have to err on the side of safety,when it comes to kids handling guns.That`s all,hot head.

Your slippery slope argument is bogus.When there is a question,we always err on the side of children`s safety.Cut someone`s dick off,lol,give me a break..........

In the case of seat belts,as an adult,you can scoff all you want,and risk a ticket.But with a child in the car,you better strap them in(car child seat,seat belt,etc)or your ass is grass if they should get hurt.The laws to protect kids, supersede your right to be a scoff law.As the adult ,your responsibility to  keep them safe is greater then your rights.

Are you going to suggest that making a law like that one(to protect kids),is somehow infringing on your rights?

Just look at these kids.How much you wanna bet their parents got them the pistol?

http://www.videovat.com/videos/468/gun-safety-shoots-foot.aspx











Durus -> RE: Gun control (8/9/2007 7:18:34 PM)

I have a question for you slaveluci. With your experience and ubringing when led you to the position of being antigun?




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