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RE: What is it with these intolerant posters? - 9/3/2007 8:07:32 AM

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I think your intolerance here is rather misdirected. Your "D-type" is the one responsible for choosing to enable this fantasy, so why are you directing all of your ire towards the "s-type"? Since when are "D-types" not responsible for their own actions? Did those naughty "s-types" force the "D-type" into fulfilling their fantasies?

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RE: What is it with these idiots? - 9/3/2007 8:08:36 AM

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Castration! hmmm...well i'll go out on a limb and say, yes i've fantasized about it as part of 24-7 TPE. But i would never want to risk anyone's freedom or my own well being like that. That's not to say i would fight it if i was truly owned in TPE situation; i just would never have the balls to ask :)

For those that are seriously actively seek this...why?...but, isn't there a place in Belguim that will legally and really do that as part of the lifestyle? i'm sure the trip over and back is expensive, but if you want it that bad...

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RE: What is it with these intolerant posters? - 9/3/2007 8:16:10 AM

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I think your intolerance here is rather misdirected. Your "D-type" is the one responsible for choosing to enable this fantasy, so why are you directing all of your ire towards the "s-type"? Since when are "D-types" not responsible for their own actions? Did those naughty "s-types" force the "D-type" into fulfilling their fantasies?

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Not "my D-type_." The problem here isn't again in address who will or won't do whatever. It's about the lack of regard for the legal safety of the D-type. Again you're going out on a limb and reading more into this than there is.

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RE: What is it with these idiots? - 9/3/2007 8:23:52 AM

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Many things we do could legally implicate a Dom though.
Not so long back i was in the hospital and had a shot of morphine in my ass. A councillor was sent to see me to try and get to the bottom (excuse the pun) of the marks on my ass.
Legally it would have been assault, its really no different to the scenario you speak of. A little more extreme with higher risk of course but still the same basic principle.

That would be my point. The extremity of this case is what makes it a situation to deal with in the first place. And legally it is VERY different from the case I put here. Legally the degree of assualt can vary and have totally different implications based on that. Also in the court of law, it's pretty easy to go back and forth with consent to assualt and all that as you can already see here. However, in this case the suggested charge is practicing medicine without a license. That law has no issues based on consent. Which means no matter who says what, someone's getting in big trouble.

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What we choose to do as consenting adults be it caning or castration is entirely our own business. So your domme would choose not to castrate someone, thats fine but it does not make the kink wrong or the people who choose to do this idiots.

Again you mis interpret the message ehre. It isn't about anyone's kink being "wrong" or not my kink. It's about who I think it's stupid (yes I'm calling a bunch of people stupid...get over it...I do it on a daily basis) for people to go around and calling themselves the "perfect submissive/slave/whatever" and "always" considering a Dominant before themselves and then going out and asking the Dominant to risk themselves over a fantasy. not the kink

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RE: What is it with these idiots? - 9/3/2007 8:45:55 AM

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Many things we do could legally implicate a Dom though.
Not so long back i was in the hospital and had a shot of morphine in my ass. A councillor was sent to see me to try and get to the bottom (excuse the pun) of the marks on my ass.
Legally it would have been assault, its really no different to the scenario you speak of. A little more extreme with higher risk of course but still the same basic principle.

That would be my point. The extremity of this case is what makes it a situation to deal with in the first place. And legally it is VERY different from the case I put here. Legally the degree of assualt can vary and have totally different implications based on that. Also in the court of law, it's pretty easy to go back and forth with consent to assualt and all that as you can already see here. However, in this case the suggested charge is practicing medicine without a license. That law has no issues based on consent. Which means no matter who says what, someone's getting in big trouble.

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Ok, i take your point on it being more extreme but many couples do some form of medical play. Does that mean your opinion is that all medical play should not be done? Anyone who participates in medical play of any form is an idiot?

What we choose to do as consenting adults be it caning or castration is entirely our own business. So your domme would choose not to castrate someone, thats fine but it does not make the kink wrong or the people who choose to do this idiots.

Again you mis interpret the message ehre. It isn't about anyone's kink being "wrong" or not my kink. It's about who I think it's stupid (yes I'm calling a bunch of people stupid...get over it...I do it on a daily basis) for people to go around and calling themselves the "perfect submissive/slave/whatever" and "always" considering a Dominant before themselves and then going out and asking the Dominant to risk themselves over a fantasy. not the kink

CLEAR!

But this is so clearly your kink is not my kink and its not ok!! Otherwise why would you be berating it. Why can two adults not consent to castration without you calling them idiots? Can you not just shrug and say 'ok i wouldnt do that but if you want to, go ahead, knock yourselves out.'

On the issue of the naughty subbie possibly getting a dom into trouble, well if the dom consents to partake then they are responsible for their own actions. The blame would not lie solely at the subs feet and the opinion that it does i personally find a little narrow minded.

Ive really enjoyed your threads and posts so far and have only tried to put my opinion across and question yours. I thought that is what the boards were for. Attacking me by sarcasm and capitalisation designed to try and make me feel stupid or wrong really does you no favours.

At the end of the day neither of us is probably right or wrong, we just differ on how we feel about this.

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RE: What is it with these idiots? - 9/3/2007 8:52:17 AM

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ok...soooo is this a personal opinion or a legal post? cause our personal opinion may or may not coincide with the law and so forth and so on and either we are worried about the possibility of being prosocuted or we are worried about certain people changing their mind and running off and telling the "wrong" people who did what...cause if its a) as the OP would suggest...we shouldn't do any of the play things we do (a jury of our peers is not 12 bdsm'ers and explaining, but she never said her safe word as i helf a knife to her throat and "raped" her as she was screaming no no no just doesn't get you cleared or but we signed a contract saying that she would get 6 of the hardest caneings i could give should she willingly disobey me 3 times in the same manner doesn't excuse you...)...or if its b) as i think its what the OP meant (i could be wrong) we should carefully screen who we play with...
my final thoughts (for the moment) i reserve the right to re-direct or something (i've been watching Law and Order

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RE: What is it with these idiots? - 9/3/2007 8:52:53 AM

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But this is so clearly your kink is not my kink and its not ok!! Otherwise why would you be berating it. Why can two adults not consent to castration without you calling them idiots? Can you not just shrug and say 'ok i wouldnt do that but if you want to, go ahead, knock yourselves out.'

On the issue of the naughty subbie possibly getting a dom into trouble, well if the dom consents to partake then they are responsible for their own actions. The blame would not lie solely at the subs feet and the opinion that it does i personally find a little narrow minded.

And I will repeat myself again. I don't really care who does what until somebody hurts another person. And going around asking someone to do something illegal is asking them to hurt themselves for your benefit. If somebody wants to cut themselves open for an operation be my guest I don't care. Just don't ask someone without a license who would be procescuted by the state for doing such to do it for you.

I haven't said this lies at the bottoms feet for taking responsibility for the action it self. I said asking for an illegal act is the bottoms repsonsibility when they're the one's asking.

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RE: What is it with these idiots? - 9/3/2007 9:02:15 AM

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ok...soooo is this a personal opinion or a legal post? cause our personal opinion may or may not coincide with the law and so forth and so on and either we are worried about the possibility of being prosocuted or we are worried about certain people changing their mind and running off and telling the "wrong" people who did what...cause if its a) as the OP would suggest...we shouldn't do any of the play things we do (a jury of our peers is not 12 bdsm'ers and explaining, but she never said her safe word as i helf a knife to her throat and "raped" her as she was screaming no no no just doesn't get you cleared or but we signed a contract saying that she would get 6 of the hardest caneings i could give should she willingly disobey me 3 times in the same manner doesn't excuse you...)...or if its b) as i think its what the OP meant (i could be wrong) we should carefully screen who we play with...
my final thoughts (for the moment) i reserve the right to re-direct or something (i've been watching Law and Order )
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Chelle...yes and no to both.

In most states unless there's big money to be gain or big political pressure because it's a high profile kinda case, there is little chance someone is going to go to jail for flogging someone. Yes I do realize it's happened. I'm jut pointing at the odds as they are.

If you castrate someone then it's gonna be really hard to not tell if it's done wrong. And thats a hell of a lot harder to cover up or hide than a flogging gone wrong. And no matter where you live, practicing medicine without a license in the US is illegal. (which by the wya people who state they are located in the US are the only one's I've seen this type of request from) The only varience in the medical practice law is what defines practicing medicine. The minute the word castration come sup in a consentual context ina court of law it will be considered a medical proceedure. So...someone's fucked.

Yeah pick carefully who you you're playing with that's a no brainer to me. And don't go asking someone to take a risk that is unreasonable. Unreasonable can vary from person to person I know yadda yadda.

BTW I don't care for the SSC standards of play. Risk Aware Consentual Kink (RACK)

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RE: What is it with these idiots? - 9/3/2007 9:16:42 AM

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stef had it right.

No one is going to force any one else to do something illegal. Lack of control on thier part only becomes a problem for a Top........when the Top also lacks self control.

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RE: What is it with these idiots? - 9/3/2007 9:20:03 AM

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ok...in my effort to see your point of view, while granted it was 10 pages of a google search...i looked for practicing medicing without a license and castration...i found two stories on a number of reliable websites...more on blogs, but not even gonna address those...there was the 3 guys in NC who set up a chop and go castration in their dungeon who got caught...and then there was a woman who was trying to help her TS husband make the transition and he died...(cheap is never the way to go)...soooo...if you don't advertise that you are chopping balls off...and they don't die...no one will probably ever make a high profile case out of it...so...its right up there with prosocuting someone for flogging another person...yes its harder to cover up a missing testicle...but i knew a guy that had a nasty bicycle accident when he was a preteen and only has one testicle....at least thats what he told me...he's a Dom...maybe he was a sub and had a castration fantasy and went thru with it...sooo i'm gonna go with the be careful who you play with because its not like they are gonna stick bamboo under you're finger nails to get you to tell them "who cut off your balls?!?!?!"

ps...i go with RACK too...or RAICK risk aware informed consensual kink...but it doesn't sound as cook as RACK

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RE: What is it with these idiots? - 9/3/2007 9:24:58 AM

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Ok so for example i mail your domme and say 'please will you slice my clit off?'

She decides no she doesn't want to do it and replies 'no'.
She decides she does and says 'of course i will misst.'

The first, no harm done she said no.
The second makes her just as responsible for the action as myself.

Whats the problem?

Your kink is not mine etc etc etc.
Why get so hot and bothered about it?

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RE: What is it with these intolerant posters? - 9/3/2007 9:25:50 AM

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Not "my D-type_." The problem here isn't again in address who will or won't do whatever. It's about the lack of regard for the legal safety of the D-type. Again you're going out on a limb and reading more into this than there is.

I meant yours as in "in your example" not as a reference to "Miss Kitty."

So now that we have that cleared up, please return to the question at hand. If the "D-type" is the one who chooses to perform an action they know is illegal, exactly why are you laying all the blame at the feet of the "s-type?"

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RE: What is it with these intolerant posters? - 9/3/2007 11:14:11 AM

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Just to lighten up the tone a little .... My kink, particularly, is pony-play and I call the male ponies colts, and the female ones fillies. I often call the TV ponies 'geldings', and as a result, two have actually asked me to cut their balls off. (I call TS ponies 'magic mares' because they hate being derfined by what they 'll lose, rather than what they consider they are ...)

Being the sort of person who faints at the sight of blood, I said 'no, best see your doctor!'

But I did have one pony who had cancer of the prostate; he had chemotherapy, etc. but it recurred. So he said to the surgeon, "I was a vetinary surgeon for 30 years, and if anybody brought an elderly male dog, cat or horse to me that has prostate cancer, I would just whip the balls off there and then, which would cure it without radio-therapy, chemo, or whatever. And the owner would come back months later to say he's much better behaved. My wife lost interest in sex at the menopause, and at 75 I am not enjoying not getting any .."

So his doctor says, "fine, yes it will work, but we don't usually suggest it as we do not like being beaten up by patients .." It cost him £1,600, but the medical insurance paid up. He did lose interest in sex - which is why I heard the story - he gave me his lifetime collection of leather gear, books, mags, handcuffs, etc ...

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RE: What is it with these intolerant posters? - 9/3/2007 12:37:06 PM

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I'd hazard a guess that there are a lot more "gelded" male slaves out there than public uproars over practicing medicine without a licenses prosecutions. We have known a few and never known anyone personally who got into trouble over it. For what it is worth we recall a medical journal study that showed a longer life expectancy for castrated males over non-castrated, not that we are making a recommendation !!

I know we gelded our own horses without a vets license for years.

We likely get more inquiries than most since we now live in Mexico and to be honest it would be easy here to arrange a fast, easy and legal castration. Our experience is most slave types who ask about it are looking for the shock value and when we call them on it and say that "yes is is possible" they move on.

Seems like just another case of "your kink is over the top" to us... If celibacy is part of a M/s dynamic castration just might make sense.

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RE: What is it with these intolerant posters? - 9/3/2007 7:27:53 PM

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ehhh I give up. Apparently the point of my rant has gone over the top of some people's heads. And other's just don't care to see it. Done for now.

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RE: What is it with these intolerant posters? - 9/3/2007 8:25:35 PM

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Jen, you can't force people to agree with you.

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RE: What is it with these intolerant posters? - 9/3/2007 8:30:26 PM

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that was not the point of the thread...the thread has turned into a kinkier than thou thread due to misrepresentation and defensivness...which wasn't the point.

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RE: What is it with these intolerant posters? - 9/3/2007 8:39:56 PM

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But Jen, that's exactly what it was. You don't think that a submissive should make a request to a dominant that would put the dominant in legal danger. You don't find that to be very submissive of that person. That's your opinion and you know, it's fine that you have it. That may not be someone else's opinion, and it's ok for them to have it.

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RE: What is it with these intolerant posters? - 9/3/2007 8:45:41 PM

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Ahh so you DO get the point here. The thread has turned into "if it's not your kink then you don't think it should happen" not I don't think this is right or very submissive behaviour. Which was the point of my last couple of posts.

Thank you for seeing the point of the vent

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RE: What is it with these intolerant posters? - 9/3/2007 8:48:36 PM

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ehhh I give up. Apparently the point of my rant has gone over the top of some people's heads. And other's just don't care to see it. Done for now.

Your point is that this is bad. People see it. They just disagree.

My complaint falls more to why do I (or anyone else) have to use a licensed doctor for something that's I want done... but hey, I realize I'm in the minority on that one.

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