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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:11:44 AM

UR2Badored

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Keep the discussions civil and mature, and do not insult the kinks, preferences, lifestyles, etc. of others.

Often it start off with an innocent enough OP, such as yours, wanting to discuss:

"the preponderance of Overweight Submissives"
"what is 24/7"
"submissive vs. slave"
"is this abusive?"
"no-limits"

it's all subjective, therefore this slave will not support or endorse any One-True-Way and continues to giggle at those who do.

Okay, scratching my head. Your last two references of "truism" is directed toward me. Do you not have opinions that aptly describe a true way for you? Okay, I admit that is a lame question. I dont see any difference in the two stances accept for when jamming "my true way" or "your way is not true" as gospel. I think, that too, can be interpreted in a variety of ways.

I understand what you mean, though--We all have a right to identify and pursue a life we desire without someone constantly telling us we dont know how to interpret things on our own such as how we define no limits (we see this all the time on here and in life)

I realize now that this is very similiar to the slave versus submissive threads....as you've rightly pointed out--a matter of preferences. I, naively, was hoping for something more.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:14:47 AM

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Have you or have you not been legally declared incompetent?

yes, i have. my point to you was, so what?? does it automatically make me mentally incompetent simply because i have been legally declared to be so, at one point in my life? do you accept as the gospel truth any label the law applies to anyone?

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Has he assumed legal guardianship of you or not?

yes, he has. again i ask you, without offense or harshness, so what?

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Have you or have you not stated that he abuses you regularly?

yes, as we define abuse (intentionally causing harm), he has. this is something we believe an Owner in a consensual M/s dynamic has the right to do with their property. many other slaves, some of them regular posters here, have endured the same and much worse, without complaint. for some of us this is just part of being a slave, nothing more nothing less.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:22:06 AM

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Hi Aswad,

I think prop and I are saying different things. She believes she can comply with any order. There are things I'm unable to comply with and R has to gain compliance on. I may refuse/veto and have to deal with the consequence from R( he'll impose his authority) but none of those things rock the relationship base, the relationship isn't going to end because I can't comply or because he has to impose his authority as my owner. When those things happen, they are handled, worked out and life goes on. I'm using the term no-limits differently than prop. I know there are things I can't willingly do, he knows it, he'd have to step in and help me if he wanted whatever it was done, that is part of his responsibility and commitment as the powerholder in this relationship.

I'm not sure what there is to ridicule or respect, don't most relationships operate this way? The people in them work together to make the relationship successful. Long term successful relationships don't just happen, you have to actually follow through on your responsibilities and commitments to have one.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

I have never encountered anyone whose hard personal limits have not included one or more of my kinks, and I do not expect to ever do so, either. But I have encountered those whose relationship limits have permitted them all, and not just because they trust that they will not have to rely on such limits to protect them. While I've not met them in person, I would say daddysprop and BeingChewsie both fit that definition, according to what they say, in that they both have personal limits, but neither has relationship limits, and their owners will enforce compliance if necessary.

That deserves respect, not ridicule, in my book.

Health,
al-Aswad.

hi BeingChewsie. we might not be coming from very different places after all. i do not believe that i am capable of complying with any order. that would mean that i thought i could do anything, which no one can do, and in some ways i know i'm capable of far less than most. but i am capable of attempting to comply with any order. if he gives a command, my instinct is to immediately move to obey, no matter what. i would never refuse him, that is true. now of course i might fail, and then have to try again and again (with the necessary "encouragement"), or it might be something i simply cannot do, no matter how badly i want to obey or how hard i try. so far, the latter has not yet occured. hopefully it never will.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:22:46 AM

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Did you all know that arguing with bob is a bit like pissing into the wind?

Indeed.

It is a wonder so many think their bladders stronger than the wind

I can only assume there are those who enjoy wetting themselves whenever I'm around.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:24:02 AM

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I just ignore you when you annoy. What's so hard about that?

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:26:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: UR2Badored

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Keep the discussions civil and mature, and do not insult the kinks, preferences, lifestyles, etc. of others.

Often it start off with an innocent enough OP, such as yours, wanting to discuss:

"the preponderance of Overweight Submissives"
"what is 24/7"
"submissive vs. slave"
"is this abusive?"
"no-limits"

it's all subjective, therefore this slave will not support or endorse any One-True-Way and continues to giggle at those who do.

Okay, scratching my head. Your last two references of "truism" is directed toward me. Do you not have opinions that aptly describe a true way for you? Okay, I admit that is a lame question. I dont see any difference in the two stances accept for jamming "my true way" or "your way is not true" as gospel. I think, that too, can be interpreted in a variety of ways.

this slave does not expect her needs, opinion, feelings, observations, reactions to stimuli, reality or experiences to be the one way that everyone else needs, opines, feels, observes, reacts or experiences by virtue of any qualifier---"submissive", "slave", "human being", "limit-less", ad infinitum.

this slave has no need to be rescued from an abuser in this life or some sort of eternal damnation in the next just because some zealot decides their way is the One-True-Way for all.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:28:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

Indeed.

It is a wonder so many think their bladders stronger than the wind

I can only assume there are those who enjoy wetting themselves whenever I'm around.

hahahaha

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:29:59 AM

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Are you saying he makes you wet?

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:38:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Have you or have you not been legally declared incompetent?

yes, i have. my point to you was, so what?? does it automatically make me mentally incompetent simply because i have been legally declared to be so, at one point in my life? do you accept as the gospel truth any label the law applies to anyone?

prop, the question was whether you were to be believed at your word. You, in your own words, have detailed a long history of in-patient psychiatric problems that led to your being declared mentally incompetent. You, in your own words, have stated that you could not function in life and take care of yourself on your own...then...and now or in the event of your daddy's demise. The words are here for anyone who to see. So, if I believe your words then I have to believe that you believe that you were then and still are incompetent to care for yourself. If I believe your words I have to believe that the situation you are in is not one of your own choosing because you have repeatedly stated that you have no right to choose, no right to leave.

If you no longer believe that you are incompetent, you request a hearing to determine competence and prove yourself competent and that you no longer need a legal guardian. If you are competent and continue under the guise of being incompetent in order for you to continue to be his ward, that is a manipulation of the system....again, criminal.

I mean you no disrespect and I apologize if you feel that my opinions on the matter are a personal slam. They are not. The two of you are simply the people involved who have stated and detailed, repeatedly, your situation. Personally, I would not care who the involved parties are. My opinion is of the situation which you describe as a mentally incompetent adult who is being physically, sexually and emotionally abused who continues to state that she has no choice in the matter. You have stated that he has you raped and beaten by strangers, broken bones, that he himself beats you out of anger at others...and many other things. It is not a situation that I wish to see promoted as an acceptable example of what this lifestyle should be allowed to encompass.

Again, my opinions are based on your words and descriptions of the circumstances. Do I know if the doctors assessments were accurate and that the label was justified? No, I don't. But I do know a little bit about the process and I do know that legal mental incompetence is not a decision that is come to lightly.....and I also know that you, in your own words, have declared their decision to be accurate when you have stated, repeatedly, that you do not have the ability to care for yourself in this world.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:38:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

this slave has no need to be rescued from an abuser in this life or some sort of eternal damnation in the next just because some zealot decides their way is the One-True-Way for all.

I must have missed the post where a rescuer was needed...I dont see you as needing to be rescued.....it seems like your remarks have a hidden meaning and not necessarilly meant for me or this thread or quite possibly or precisely, meant for me and I've missed your whole point entirely. Where or when did eternal damnation makes its way into this conversation? If nothing else, I definitely tend to take things too literally.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:38:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: UR2Badored

I, naively, was hoping for something more.

I think you've gotten quite a bit in this thread. Many points of view were expressed and some progress on understanding the definitions of others occurred.

Yes, there are some who feel the need to challenge those points of view, and for a variety of reasons.

Some are sincerely confused or curious.

Some have doubts but are open minded enough to listen.

And then some have their own agenda.

Focus on what has value for you, and treat the rest as you feel appropriate.

Not every contribution is a gem, but not every one is a loss either.

Don't let those with their own agenda put you off from asking difficult questions like this one. Aside from the participants, there is the audience at large and you never know who will benefit from the contributions here.

And the thread isn't over yet

There's always hope for more of the good stuff.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:40:49 AM

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Do you not have opinions that aptly describe a true way for you? Okay, I admit that is a lame question. I dont see any difference in the two stances accept for when jamming "my true way" or "your way is not true" as gospel. I think, that too, can be interpreted in a variety of ways.

UR2,
You don't see a difference in a position that states, this is the way we do it, we do it this way because we LIKE doing it, and everyone should find their own way to do it. And the positions such as...
"Robots and doormats are submissive 24/7/366, 110%"
"You're right, I don't respect her or what she has to say."

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:44:05 AM

Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

I just ignore you when you annoy. What's so hard about that?

I find it telling that some cannot stop themselves.

The word "obsessive" is apt.

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That you never really lived?

Or there was so much living left to do?

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:44:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: UR2Badored

I, naively, was hoping for something more.

I think you've gotten quite a bit in this thread. Many points of view were expressed and some progress on understanding the definitions of others occurred...

Focus on what has value for you, and treat the rest as you feel appropriate.

Not every contribution is a gem, but not every one is a loss either.

Don't let those with their own agenda put you off from asking difficult questions like this one. Aside from the participants, there is the audience at large and you never know who will benefit from the contributions here.

And the thread isn't over yet

There's always hope for more of the good stuff.

I do agree....I must have missed other no limits threads for some reason. I really did gain some insight on the many perpectives on this topic.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 10:55:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: UR2Badored

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

this slave has no need to be rescued from an abuser in this life or some sort of eternal damnation in the next just because some zealot decides their way is the One-True-Way for all.

I must have missed the post where a rescuer was needed...I dont see you as needing to be rescued.....it seems like your remarks have a hidden meaning and not necessarilly meant for me or this thread or quite possibly or precisely, meant for me and I've missed your whole point entirely. Where or when did eternal damnation makes its way into this conversation? If nothing else, I definitely tend to take things too literally.

just take what this slave stated at face value and don't look for a hidden meaning...because there isn't one.

every discussion on subjective terms this slave has ever seen on this message board doesn't maintain the integrity of a civil discussion with all of the posters---it devolves into a One-True-Way-Fest---with a special emphasis on the words/terms this slave mentioned previously in quotes.

BDSM terminology zealots are basically no different than religious zealots...hence the last paragraph's reference to not needing rescue from any One-True-Way-ers, no matter their preferred bent.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 11:11:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Do you not have opinions that aptly describe a true way for you? Okay, I admit that is a lame question. I dont see any difference in the two stances accept for when jamming "my true way" or "your way is not true" as gospel. I think, that too, can be interpreted in a variety of ways.

UR2,
You don't see a difference in a position that states, this is the way we do it, we do it this way because we LIKE doing it, and everyone should find their own way to do it. And the positions such as...
"Robots and doormats are submissive 24/7/366, 110%"
"You're right, I don't respect her or what she has to say."

I see a difference in that position, of course.

I dont, however, feel that it is not my responsibility to educate and reform someone who either maybe somewhat perceivably narrow minded or has an opinion that differs from me. Who am I to assume all responses are narrow minded if another has an opposing definite stance? Maintaining political correctness while expressing honest and genuine opinions can be boring. To think there is only one way to do it as well as someone who insists to me there is more than one way for me to do something is equally offensive. I can accept their opinion and move on....so what. I also can be persuaded to become on the fence with an issue which I thought I was decided on after other persons have expressed their opinions and as such I gain more insight on a topic. I dont particular need someone having to state IMO everytime someone states something on here, and yet I have read that some take offense for stating such without acknowledging other perspectives or a simple IMO for example. I assume pretty much it is an opinion if one is expressing their views on the board without taking it too personally. If the other person or I have one idea how things would work for them or myself, it is not always black and white for me. I do not believe it is necessarilly wrong for me to believe there is one true (i hate that expression and what I mean by that is having a specific opinion) way provided I dont assume my beliefs on others regardless if it is one way or trying to convince them to be more open minded (This seems to be bit condescending to me--who am I to determine on one or two issues that someone is not open minded).

To give you some idea of how silly I am with semantics at times. When I first discovered this lifestyle, my hard limit was hairpulling because I literally thought it gave someone the right to pull my hair out and thus become bald. I know this is mainly a problem with my over exaggerating circmstances and what ifs. I understand that can be interpret by some as being unrealistic. Regardless, I take things in a very literal sense. I understand this my problem and not anyone elses.

Truth is I dont think we are entirely off in our beliefs regarding "true".... I think I am just being difficult so just please void my entire response above. hehe

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 11:12:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: UR2Badored

I really did gain some insight on the many perpectives on this topic.

And I find them useful for shaking out the cobwebs.

A lot of these topics I've not thoroughly discussed since I discussed them with my wife over ten years ago. We achieved an understanding where the topic was not discussed further (because we'd reached agreement) or it was discussed incrementally on an ongoing basis.

Trying to pull all of that into a coherent pattern is a challenge and a pleasure when achieved.

I don't concern myself so much with how others do what they do, because they're talking about their lives, their way. I may ask questions, I may have concerns, but bottom line is its their lives to live.

Sometimes I just have my say and walk away.

Some, like this one, are more engaging and challenging.

Back on Pg 11, #217 (near the bottom) I wrote a few thoughts on the subject of the OP and hoped to hear a response from you. Did you see it?

< Message edited by Bobkgin -- 9/19/2007 11:18:05 AM >

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 11:21:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Are you saying he makes you wet?

Katy--you sadistic wench!
I did think it was witty and funny, though.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 11:24:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Have you or have you not been legally declared incompetent?

yes, i have. my point to you was, so what?? does it automatically make me mentally incompetent simply because i have been legally declared to be so, at one point in my life? do you accept as the gospel truth any label the law applies to anyone?

prop, the question was whether you were to be believed at your word. You, in your own words, have detailed a long history of in-patient psychiatric problems that led to your being declared mentally incompetent. You, in your own words, have stated that you could not function in life and take care of yourself on your own...then...and now or in the event of your daddy's demise. The words are here for anyone who to see. So, if I believe your words then I have to believe that you believe that you were then and still are incompetent to care for yourself. If I believe your words I have to believe that the situation you are in is not one of your own choosing because you have repeatedly stated that you have no right to choose, no right to leave.

If you no longer believe that you are incompetent, you request a hearing to determine competence and prove yourself competent and that you no longer need a legal guardian. If you are competent and continue under the guise of being incompetent in order for you to continue to be his ward, that is a manipulation of the system....again, criminal.

I mean you no disrespect and I apologize if you feel that my opinions on the matter are a personal slam. They are not. The two of you are simply the people involved who have stated and detailed, repeatedly, your situation. Personally, I would not care who the involved parties are. My opinion is of the situation which you describe as a mentally incompetent adult who is being physically, sexually and emotionally abused who continues to state that she has no choice in the matter. You have stated that he has you raped and beaten by strangers, broken bones, that he himself beats you out of anger at others...and many other things. It is not a situation that I wish to see promoted as an acceptable example of what this lifestyle should be allowed to encompass.

Again, my opinions are based on your words and descriptions of the circumstances. Do I know if the doctors assessments were accurate and that the label was justified? No, I don't. But I do know a little bit about the process and I do know that legal mental incompetence is not a decision that is come to lightly.....and I also know that you, in your own words, have declared their decision to be accurate when you have stated, repeatedly, that you do not have the ability to care for yourself in this world.

you are correct, i do not have and have never had the ability to function totally independently in this world. however dependency is not the way i define "mentally incompetent"...perhaps for you it is. one thing i'm not sure you realize erin, and that is the fact that when i went into the hospital and all that awful mess began, i had already been my Master's slave for more than a year. do you feel he should have released me at that point, washed his hands of me, instead of staying by my side every step of the way and eventually manipulating the system to get the person he loved out of a miserable and dangerous situation? and at the same time, strengthening our M/s dynamic? to say i put him through hell at that time would be a severe understatement...he endured things that few men would, no matter how strong their love or how deep their commitment. He ignored my constant pleas for him to just give up on me, release me, destroy me. He cried with me, raged with me, and at the end of the day would still say "You're mine, you're always going to be mine." no one in my life had ever showed such unwavering devotion to me, had ever been so strong and determined.

i'm not understanding how you can say i'm not in a situation of my choosing, as i willingly and happily chose to be his slave on that day almost 7 years ago. no, it is not a choice i can take back, and i recognized that. but i happen to believe i made the right choice, and the only regrets i've had about it are when my depression has been at its lowest and i feel like he deserves a far better slave. fortunately he doesn't agree with me on that point.

as far as the things he subjects me to, tho they may seem extreme or unusual to some here, they are not as uncommon among M/s unions as you may think. also, again, he is Master and has the right to do what he wills with his property. those are our beliefs and how we interpret M/s. others may feel, live, think differently, and that's fine, but our way is no less valid or acceptable than anyone else's. you don't want to see the way we live "promoted" as acceptable within the lifestyle, well i don't want to see our way demonized as wrong or unacceptable within the lifestyle. instead i want all the people out there, Dominants and submissives alike, who long and yearn for such a lifestyle to know that it is out there, there are people living and breathing it everyday, and that it does not have to be the stuff of fantasy or six o'clock news horror stories. it can simply be life...with all of its beauty and suffering, all of its joy and hardships, with love (if love is your thing) and in peace.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/19/2007 11:32:14 AM

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... (excerpted for brevity)

as far as the things he subjects me to, tho they may seem extreme or unusual to some here, they are not as uncommon among M/s unions as you may think. also, again, he is Master and has the right to do what he wills with his property. those are our beliefs and how we interpret M/s. others may feel, live, think differently, and that's fine, but our way is no less valid or acceptable than anyone else's. you don't want to see the way we live "promoted" as acceptable within the lifestyle, well i don't want to see our way demonized as wrong or unacceptable within the lifestyle. instead i want all the people out there, Dominants and submissives alike, who long and yearn for such a lifestyle to know that it is out there, there are people living and breathing it everyday, and that it does not have to be the stuff of fantasy or six o'clock news horror stories. it can simply be life...with all of its beauty and suffering, all of its joy and hardships, with love (if love is your thing) and in peace.

Thank you, Prop.

I've never heard you tell your story, and it makes a good deal more sense to me than the things I've heard from others.

I believe I understand you better now.

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That you never really lived?

Or there was so much living left to do?

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