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Termyn8or -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/22/2007 3:21:40 AM)
I have a hell of alot more to say than this, but I will only go so far. I do not keep animals. Any animals ever. I believe it is a childish and selfish aspiration to want to keep an animal. Even a bird or a fish. I leave them where I see them, outside where they belong. Let the laws of nature prey upon them, and hope like hell someday those laws prey on mankind. I believe it is a crime to put a collar on an animal ( ! ? ), a fish in a tank or a bird in a cage. I love animals and think they should live as nature intended. Flame on, that should be plenty of fuel. T

Crush -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/22/2007 6:06:02 AM)
Whatcha all talkin' about? I love animals....especially grilled to perfection.... http://www.mtd.com/tasty/ <--PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) (C'mon....you KNEW someone would be posting it sooner or later....)

OrionTheWolf -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/22/2007 7:53:56 AM)
And what about domesticated animals? Someone asked how do animal control facilities kill animals, well the cheapest way is to build a very small cement block building, about the size of a large doghouse. Have the doors so they seal pretty well and then vent a lawn mower engine into it. The animals die slowly of carbone monoxide poisoning. Don't agree with it myself, but that is how it is done in many rural counties in Georgia. As far as PETA goes, I don't care for any group that wishes to infringe on someone's rights to own property. quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or I have a hell of alot more to say than this, but I will only go so far. I do not keep animals. Any animals ever. I believe it is a childish and selfish aspiration to want to keep an animal. Even a bird or a fish. I leave them where I see them, outside where they belong. Let the laws of nature prey upon them, and hope like hell someday those laws prey on mankind. I believe it is a crime to put a collar on an animal ( ! ? ), a fish in a tank or a bird in a cage. I love animals and think they should live as nature intended. Flame on, that should be plenty of fuel. T

Termyn8or -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/22/2007 7:55:23 AM)
A bit of levity ? OK. My neighbor feeds strays, leaves a bowl out for them. One day a new one came along and she asked me "You want a cat ?". I replied "No I don't have the right sauce". True story. If you ever think you are crazy, just remember I am ten times crazier than just about anyone. I mean when they catch me I am never getting out. Are straitjackets fun ? T

popeye1250 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/22/2007 9:10:37 AM)
I contacted PETA one time about joining and asked them if they could overlook one of my sports that I like to participate in; "Seal Clubbing." I told them that other than that I love animals! No reply.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/22/2007 9:31:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I contacted PETA one time about joining and asked them if they could overlook one of my sports that I like to participate in; "Seal Clubbing." I told them that other than that I love animals! No reply. If anyone thought that was funny,I challenge you to watch this,to the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-9rbIBprV0&mode=related&search=

Termyn8or -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/22/2007 10:06:24 AM)
gives me logon screen. T

popeye1250 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/22/2007 10:14:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I contacted PETA one time about joining and asked them if they could overlook one of my sports that I like to participate in; "Seal Clubbing." I told them that other than that I love animals! No reply. If anyone thought that was funny,I challenge you to watch this,to the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-9rbIBprV0&mode=related&search= Owner, is there anything that you're not "offended" at? It sounds like the ugly spector of "political correctness" raising it's head. You claim to be a Democrat but I don't believe it. The Democrats are (WAY) too Conservative for you.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 7:40:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I contacted PETA one time about joining and asked them if they could overlook one of my sports that I like to participate in; "Seal Clubbing." I told them that other than that I love animals! No reply. If anyone thought that was funny,I challenge you to watch this,to the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-9rbIBprV0&mode=related&search= Owner, is there anything that you're not "offended" at? It sounds like the ugly spector of "political correctness" raising it's head. You claim to be a Democrat but I don't believe it. The Democrats are (WAY) too Conservative for you. I`m a constitutionalists.And not the gastric kind.(well that to). And "political correctness"? LOL.That is the most misleading term ever used. It`s a phony issue used by conservatives,pretending that they are principled .They are the most politically correct party in history. They pick party over country,party over principle,and party over the Constitution.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 7:47:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I contacted PETA one time about joining and asked them if they could overlook one of my sports that I like to participate in; "Seal Clubbing." I told them that other than that I love animals! No reply. If anyone thought that was funny,I challenge you to watch this,to the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-9rbIBprV0&mode=related&search= Termyn8tor: gives me logon screen. Well,login, and hit the age button.Takes a few seconds. If you have the balls to watch this through,you might get an insight as to why PETA is so radical. Any one who is interested in the PETA/animal rights issues(pro or con),should watch this vid.

SimplyMichael -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 10:23:42 AM)
its kind of amusing reading people whining about killing animals when they eat meat and wear leather and slather animal products all over their bodies... Oh, and is there a cat shortage I am unaware of? There IS a songbird shortage though and it is largely caused by feral and domestic cats. The bright ones can see the connection and the stupid ones wouldn't believe it if I pointed it out so why bother.

Najakcharmer -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 10:35:53 AM)
That, and they're seriously trying to close down zoos and have the animals in them euthanized. I was privy to some meetings involving a key API lawyer, a PETA hired expert and a number of Senators. Their proposal for every zoo in the state but one was to shut them down and kill the animals in them. I have their staff and spokespeople on tape and video explicitly stating that all tigers not in their natural state in the wild are "trash animals" in the context of a discussion of euthanasia and animal disposition. Their initial recommendation for the local sanctuaries and zoos was to kill the animals. This included a recommendation to shut down several reputable, clean, well run, USDA licensed wildlife sanctuaries involved in crucial rescue work both for former zoo and circus animals in the state, and in the wild doing in situ conservation work with local governments to encourage ecotourism and conservation, as well as the breeding of severely endangered species. The conservation and biology work as well as the financial contributions to crucial species preservation efforts overseas being done by one of the USDA facilities FAR exceeded the contributions of the State zoo despite the State facility having a huge budget at the taxpayer's expense. Their fanaticism has nothing to do with animal welfare. "Animal rights" is a religion, a fanatic one, that says humans should not keep animals or use animals for their own purposes. Animals are considered better off dead than in human hands, and they consider themselves angels of mercy for freeing animals from slavery and exploitation. In their religion, "freeing" means killing, and they make no distinction between an abuse situation and a loving home with excellent care. It's still slavery and exploitation and the animal needs freeing. It's not bullshit. Research it some and see for yourself. I definitely have.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 10:55:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer That, and they're seriously trying to close down zoos and have the animals in them euthanized. I was privy to some meetings involving a key API lawyer, a PETA hired expert and a number of Senators. Their proposal for every zoo in the state but one was to shut them down and kill the animals in them. I have their staff and spokespeople on tape and video explicitly stating that all tigers not in their natural state in the wild are "trash animals" in the context of a discussion of euthanasia and animal disposition. Their initial recommendation for the local sanctuaries and zoos was to kill the animals. This included a recommendation to shut down several reputable, clean, well run, USDA licensed wildlife sanctuaries involved in crucial rescue work both for former zoo and circus animals in the state, and in the wild doing in situ conservation work with local governments to encourage ecotourism and conservation, as well as the breeding of severely endangered species. The conservation and biology work as well as the financial contributions to crucial species preservation efforts overseas being done by one of the USDA facilities FAR exceeded the contributions of the State zoo despite the State facility having a huge budget at the taxpayer's expense. Their fanaticism has nothing to do with animal welfare. "Animal rights" is a religion, a fanatic one, that says humans should not keep animals or use animals for their own purposes. Animals are considered better off dead than in human hands, and they consider themselves angels of mercy for freeing animals from slavery and exploitation. In their religion, "freeing" means killing, and they make no distinction between an abuse situation and a loving home with excellent care. It's still slavery and exploitation and the animal needs freeing. It's not bullshit. Research it some and see for yourself. I definitely have. So you endorse what PETAKILLSANIMALS.com does? If you`re against PETA,for providing a humane alternative to the gassing,clubbing,drowning,shooting,hanging,poisoning, of hundreds of thousands(if not millions) of dogs and cats(every year),please step up and say so. The conservation and biology work as well as the financial contributions to crucial species preservation efforts overseas being done by one of the USDA facilities FAR exceeded the contributions of the State zoo despite the State facility having a huge budget at the taxpayer's expense. That is a drop in the bucket,compared the damage we do to wild animals,world wide.To refer to a zoo as a humane place,is ridiculous. Instead of exploiting the animals for pleasure and fun,why don`t we ban this kind of activity. Watch this and see how benevolent men are,in terms of wild life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgU6fVzNkoQ

Najakcharmer -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 11:03:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 If you have the balls to watch this through,you might get an insight as to why PETA is so radical. Any one who is interested in the PETA/animal rights issues(pro or con),should watch this vid. I've seen all the PETA videos including that one. In a few cases in the scary fur farm vids you are actually seeing postmortem response. In this particular vid it's Cheyne-Stokes respiration, which is an antemortem response due to brain injury. The level of consciousness of a mammal in Cheyne-Stokes after massive head trauma is somewhat questionable, though it's not an automatic indication that there's not enough working brain left to process sensation. On the whole those videos are mostly accurate documentary of cruel and inappropriate practices that are careless of animal welfare. Animal cruelty exists. It is terrible. It is not however an excuse to kill more animals, especially much beloved ones that are well housed and cared for, or that are carrying genes extinct in the wild (eg, Barbary lions). That's exactly what fucking API and PETA just tried to do over here, and if I catch any of those fanatics engaged in zoo fence cutting or other insane shenanigans at a facility I'm responsible for, their asses are going to jail if I have to shoot the motherfuckers with a trank gun. Too many zoos have had animals killed either directly or indirectly because of their insane stunts. Using pitiful videos of cruelty to animals in order to sucker in funds so they can kill more animals is pretty scummy, but that's exactly what these bastards do.

Najakcharmer -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 11:19:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 So you endorse what PETAKILLSANIMALS.com does? And what exactly do they do, other than tell the truth? quote: If you`re against PETA,for providing a humane alternative to the gassing,clubbing,drowning,shooting,hanging,poisoning, of hundreds of thousands(if not millions) of dogs and cats(every year),please step up and say so. If they actually did as much of it as they claim, it would be nice, but I know where they are spending their money and it is to threaten the lives of animals. That and taking puppies with cash donations for "adoption to a good home" and killing them a few hours later with illegal drugs and dumping them in a Piggly Wiggly dumpster is SOP for these guys. They got caught for that in my neck of the woods by the way, and nobody here thought it was the least bit amusing. Or surprising. Peta kills animals. It's what they do. They call it "freeing" them, but I'm sure Jim Jones had a similar explanation for his poison Kool-Aid. quote: That is a drop in the bucket,compared the damage we do to wild animals,world wide.To refer to a zoo as a humane place,is ridiculous. So conservation work to save animals and habitat is worthless? Some of us do think it makes a difference and are actively engaged in it. If you are one of those fanatics who would like to ban all captive breeding and public education/exhibition of wildlife regardless of how crucial these things are to conservation, you really aren't doing the animals a bit of good in the long run. quote: Instead of exploiting the animals for pleasure and fun,why don`t we ban this kind of activity. Why don't we learn a few things about wildlife biology and conservation and get an understanding of the bigger picture of why zoos exist and what they do to raise public awareness and conserve species and habitat worldwide. Showing pictures that say, "Look, some people are cruel to animals" does not excuse attacks (including literal physical attacks!) on wildlife facilities. I've had to deal with way too much of that shit to have any more patience with it.

BossyShoeBitch -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 11:24:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael its kind of amusing reading people whining about killing animals when they eat meat and wear leather and slather animal products all over their bodies... Oh, and is there a cat shortage I am unaware of? There IS a songbird shortage though and it is largely caused by feral and domestic cats. The bright ones can see the connection and the stupid ones wouldn't believe it if I pointed it out so why bother. But I am one of those people. I do what I can even though I know it's not enough.

popeye1250 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 11:29:20 AM)
They can have my cat "Bubba" when they pry him out of my cold, dead hands.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 1:01:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 So you endorse what PETAKILLSANIMALS.com does? And what exactly do they do, other than tell the truth? quote: If you`re against PETA,for providing a humane alternative to the gassing,clubbing,drowning,shooting,hanging,poisoning, of hundreds of thousands(if not millions) of dogs and cats(every year),please step up and say so. If they actually did as much of it as they claim, it would be nice, but I know where they are spending their money and it is to threaten the lives of animals. That and taking puppies with cash donations for "adoption to a good home" and killing them a few hours later with illegal drugs and dumping them in a Piggly Wiggly dumpster is SOP for these guys. They got caught for that in my neck of the woods by the way, and nobody here thought it was the least bit amusing. Or surprising. Peta kills animals. It's what they do. They call it "freeing" them, but I'm sure Jim Jones had a similar explanation for his poison Kool-Aid. quote: That is a drop in the bucket,compared the damage we do to wild animals,world wide.To refer to a zoo as a humane place,is ridiculous. So conservation work to save animals and habitat is worthless? Some of us do think it makes a difference and are actively engaged in it. If you are one of those fanatics who would like to ban all captive breeding and public education/exhibition of wildlife regardless of how crucial these things are to conservation, you really aren't doing the animals a bit of good in the long run. quote: Instead of exploiting the animals for pleasure and fun,why don`t we ban this kind of activity. Why don't we learn a few things about wildlife biology and conservation and get an understanding of the bigger picture of why zoos exist and what they do to raise public awareness and conserve species and habitat worldwide. Showing pictures that say, "Look, some people are cruel to animals" does not excuse attacks (including literal physical attacks!) on wildlife facilities. I've had to deal with way too much of that shit to have any more patience with it. And what exactly do they do, other than tell the truth? OMG! You must be kidding. If that is true,than you do endorse the clubbing,stomping,shooting,drowning,poisoning,hanging,gassing(with car exhaust,or whatever),and every other cruel and cheap way to dispatch un-wanted animals.B/c that`s what happens all over America.Like it or not. It is that situation,that PETA is trying to stop,by providing the most humane and gentle way to put a dog or cat down.In other words,those animals that PETA did not help euthanize,would have/could have met the low end of the animal shelter system,and be stomped to death,or even easier and cheaper,thrown is a ditch and buried, alive. If you buy the line that PETA is a bunch of killers,bent on destroying animals,then I feel sorry for you. I guess you have an issue with all the lunatic veterinarians,who have also put down countless numbers of animals.It`s exactly the same logic.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 1:37:15 PM)
Technically,PETAKILLSANIMALS.com(and CCF) is guilty of killing trillions of animals.(also "true",most of those animals were healthy,innocent,and doomed) PETAKILLSANIMALS.com and CCF,are food industry front groups.Using the twisted and perverted logic of PETAKILLSANIMALS.com,you would have to say that all the animals the food industry uses, must also be counted,in the discussion. Obviously ridiculous,just on the face of it,BUT,it`s all technically "true". I must say,PETAKILLSANIMALS.com are a very sophisticated and savvy bunch of con-men. Just look at their success.

Najakcharmer -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 2:13:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 If that is true,than you do endorse the clubbing,stomping,shooting,drowning,poisoning,hanging,gassing(with car exhaust,or whatever),and every other cruel and cheap way to dispatch un-wanted animals.B/c that`s what happens all over America.Like it or not. OMG! You don't like PETA's lying hypocrisy or approve of their violent criminal tactics! Therefore you must approve of clubbing innocent little kittens to death! You evil kitten poisoner, you! Fanatic much? quote: It is that situation,that PETA is trying to stop,by providing the most humane and gentle way to put a dog or cat down.In other words,those animals that PETA did not help euthanize,would have/could have met the low end of the animal shelter system,and be stomped to death,or even easier and cheaper,thrown is a ditch and buried, alive. If you have legitimate factual knowledge of any organization or individual that is killing animals in an inhumane manner, get evidence and prosecute. The American Veterinary Medical Association can help. If you're just repeating the PETA sob story they use to sucker in funds to pay for political lobbying, wake up and learn to start thinking and looking for yourself. quote: If you buy the line that PETA is a bunch of killers,bent on destroying animals,then I feel sorry for you. Feel sorrier for the animals they've killed that had excellent homes and care before animal rights lunatics stepped in to "save" them. quote: I guess you have an issue with all the lunatic veterinarians,who have also put down countless numbers of animals.It`s exactly the same logic. Veterinarians don't use illegal drugs to kill animals and toss them in Piggly Wiggly dumpsters. Slight difference in modus operandi there.

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