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Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 3:48:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 If that is true,than you do endorse the clubbing,stomping,shooting,drowning,poisoning,hanging,gassing(with car exhaust,or whatever),and every other cruel and cheap way to dispatch un-wanted animals.B/c that`s what happens all over America.Like it or not. OMG! You don't like PETA's lying hypocrisy or approve of their violent criminal tactics! Therefore you must approve of clubbing innocent little kittens to death! You evil kitten poisoner, you! Fanatic much? quote: It is that situation,that PETA is trying to stop,by providing the most humane and gentle way to put a dog or cat down.In other words,those animals that PETA did not help euthanize,would have/could have met the low end of the animal shelter system,and be stomped to death,or even easier and cheaper,thrown is a ditch and buried, alive. If you have legitimate factual knowledge of any organization or individual that is killing animals in an inhumane manner, get evidence and prosecute. The American Veterinary Medical Association can help. If you're just repeating the PETA sob story they use to sucker in funds to pay for political lobbying, wake up and learn to start thinking and looking for yourself. quote: If you buy the line that PETA is a bunch of killers,bent on destroying animals,then I feel sorry for you. Feel sorrier for the animals they've killed that had excellent homes and care before animal rights lunatics stepped in to "save" them. quote: I guess you have an issue with all the lunatic veterinarians,who have also put down countless numbers of animals.It`s exactly the same logic. Veterinarians don't use illegal drugs to kill animals and toss them in Piggly Wiggly dumpsters. Slight difference in modus operandi there. Okay this is getting a bit confused. I wonder if you just wandered in or have you read the whole thread? We`ll take it a point at a time. 1. Over ten million ,unwanted,but otherwise healthy animals are killed every year,just in the US.(a fact that one would have to ignore,to be w/ PETAKILLSANIMALS.com`s position)BTW,has PETAKILLSANIMALS.com ever offered and alternative to the clubbing,stomping,shooting,drowning,poisoning,hanging,gassing(with car exhaust,or whatever),and every other cruel and cheap way to dispatch un-wanted animals? 2.Millions of those animals don`t get the over-dose of anesthesia,the "luckier" animals get,when they`re slated to die.By luckier,I mean not adopted,but also not relegated to die a painful,cruel and sometimes torturous death,that far to many un-wanted animals get. 3.PETA tries to alleviate that suffering(ie real suffering,real cruelty),by providing a humane way for the shelters to deal with over-population.Rather than clubbing,stomping,shooting,drowning,poisoning,hanging,gassing(with car exhaust,or whatever),and every other cruel and cheap way to dispatch un-wanted animals. If you have a problem with something else they do(I do),then say so.But don`t lie about PETA`s roll here. If you have an issue with their radical views,say so.Just don`t be a victim of a fake PR campaign,by people who could care less about dogs.(like PETAKILLSANIMALS.com) If you have legitimate factual knowledge of any organization or individual that is killing animals in an inhumane manner, get evidence and prosecute. The American Veterinary Medical Association can help. If you're just repeating the PETA sob story they use to sucker in funds to pay for political lobbying, wake up and learn to start thinking and looking for yourself. It`s legal in many states,to club,stomp,poison,shoot,drown,bury,gas,hang,burn, a dog or cat. Do you have a suggestion based in reality? The dogs and cats could use a break.If you aren`t aware of this,I suggest you educate yourself.Their cruel deaths aren`t"fun facts",to be thrown around ,like a political football.Those in-humane dealths ,won`t go away,just cuz you think it so. I called the NY State police to report that my neighbor shot his dog,playing"chicken" with it,by shooting at it to make it run.(a big NRAer,BTW).He shattered the dog`s shoulder and front leg,and let it languish for 3 hours,before taking it to the vet,where the "murderous "vet,put "Henisy" to sleep. The trooper told me that an owner can legaly"dispatch", his own dog,by gun.I was at a loss for words,and still am. Feel sorrier for the animals they've killed that had excellent homes and care before animal rights lunatics stepped in to "save" them. There`s no proof that PETA has killed wanted animals,none.If you have any,could we see it? I think that`s more anti-PETA bullshit. Veterinarians don't use illegal drugs to kill animals and toss them in Piggly Wiggly dumpsters. Slight difference in modus operandi there. Oh really,and you know this for a fact?It`s never happened,ever?And if a case can be found,can we apply the twisted "PETAKILLSANIMALS.com`s logic,and indict all veterinarians? The SC case was an isolated case and is being handled as it should,by the law.That one case(and there only one) shouldn`t be used as propaganda by a food industry fake front group. Question: Are you for humane death of unwanted animals,or are you ok with the status quot. I`m not an appolgist for PETA.But I also don`t want someone pissing down my back,and telling me it`s raining. BTW,the hunting clip is not a "PETA" video.While they may feature it,I 1st got it from a pro-hunting website.

Najakcharmer -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 4:32:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 If you have an issue with their radical views,say so.Just don`t be a victim of a fake PR campaign,by people who could care less about dogs.(like PETAKILLSANIMALS.com) My experience with PETA vandalism and violence is very much firsthand. quote: It`s legal in many states,to club,stomp,poison,shoot,drown,bury,gas,hang,burn, a dog or cat. Do you have a suggestion based in reality? All US states do have animal cruelty statutes. Some are enforced better than others. My suggestion is to work with your local enforcement officers to do as much as you can within the provisions of those statutes. There's actually a lot that can be done, though it is disappointing when an office or an officer won't prosecute. quote: I called the NY State police to report that my neighbor shot his dog,playing"chicken" with it,by shooting at it to make it run.(a big NRAer,BTW).He shattered the dog`s shoulder and front leg,and let it languish for 3 hours,before taking it to the vet,where the "murderous "vet,put "Henisy" to sleep. The trooper told me that an owner can legaly"dispatch", his own dog,by gun.I was at a loss for words,and still am. In a similar situation involving a snake, I managed to get the individuals involved prosecuted for reckless use of a firearm. They wouldn't prosecute cruelty to snakes, but I did get them on other charges and they got some payback for their behavior. With dogs you have a LOT more leeway to work with animal cruelty statutes. One state trooper is definitely not the end of the line if you want to mess with someody who's been cruel to an animal. People defending cute furry animals have it bloody easy compared to people who are protecting indigenous wildlife that isn't cute or furry. Ignore the trooper and start moving up the food chain of complaint making, preferably with the help of your local AVMA representative. Do you care about making a difference and prosecuting animal abusers, or do you care about promoting the agenda of a violent criminal group that uses unethical tactics and hurts both people and animals? quote: There`s no proof that PETA has killed wanted animals,none.If you have any,could we see it? I think that`s more anti-PETA bullshit. Good gods. In denial much? quote: The SC case was an isolated case and is being handled as it should,by the law.That one case(and there only one) shouldn`t be used as propaganda by a food industry fake front group. Give it a rest. The case was in NC, it was as real as it gets, and the people upset about it have jack shit to do with the food industry. The people who are pissed are the ones who actually love animals. quote: Question: Are you for humane death of unwanted animals,or are you ok with the status quot. Being for the humane death of unwanted animals has nothing to do with supporting PETA. Quite to the contrary.

Action -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 4:42:48 PM)
All I have to say, is that I wanted to make people aware by starting this thread. If your not in agreement then so be it, but I personaly just do not promote anything to do with peta, and instead full heartedly support my resident SPCA and people who foster animals and no kill centers. I should hope more real rights groups start to form and grow without the need for blowing up medical centers and relize we too are animals. If we choose not to be vegans dosn't make us inhuman but part of the life cycle, that animals never deserver to die in uneeded reason or in cruel terms. Im probably rambling, but awareness was the point of my thread and I think dispite all the bickering its been made.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 5:00:08 PM)
Good gods. In denial much? Nope.The "North Carolina"(tyvm)case IS an isolated case.If it wsn`t,you`d be able to show that.Can you point to any other cases like this one?I`m not going to take your word on it.I`m open to anything you have. Give it a rest. The case was in NC, it was as real as it gets, and the people upset about it have jack shit to do with the food industry. The people who are pissed are the ones who actually love animals. Everyone was upset about the (one)incedent,to a person(eccept the perps). PETAKILLSANIAMLS.com is being disingenuous by claiming they care about dogs.They are a anti-peta group,period.Their agenda has nothing to do with treating animals better.Actually,their agenda is quite the opposite. Using bullshit tactics to sell their point,by playing on the sympathy people have for dogs(and cats).They(PETAKILLSANIMALS.com,CCF,the food lobby,etc) don`t want gov. regulators in the production fascilities,doing their jobs.Which is to regulate and protect the food supply.PETA has been VERY affective in pointing out just how bad those fasciliites are.That is why PETAKILLSANIMALS.com, is going after PETA.That`s the hidden agenda. I hope the "NC" perps get what`s due for them.That doesn`t have anything to do with PETA`s agenda,regarding the euthinasia of un-wanted pets. I still haven`t heard you address the issue of un-wanted pets. That is the subject here.

camille65 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 5:03:05 PM)
I'm confused. Why does it make someone anti animal if they are anti PETA? Personally I am against that organization, but I support animal rights.

Najakcharmer -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 5:17:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Nope.The "North Carolina"(tyvm)case IS an isolated case.If it wsn`t,you`d be able to show that.Can you point to any other cases like this one?I`m not going to take your word on it.I`m open to anything you have. The incidents I could personally document would be in the zoo and wildlife field, but the place I would document them would not be on an adult message board for the purposes of casual discussion. The incidents that other people have documented that have to do with dogs and cats are really not hard to find. Petakillsanimals.com is a great start. Except you'll dismiss all their evidence as being funded by the food industry. quote: PETAKILLSANIAMLS.com is being disingenuous by claiming they care about dogs.They are a anti-peta group,period.Their agenda has nothing to do with treating animals better.Actually,their agenda is quite the opposite. Using bullshit tactics to sell their point,by playing on the sympathy people have for dogs(and cats).They(PETAKILLSANIMALS.com,CCF,the food lobby,etc) don`t want gov. regulators in the production fascilities,doing their jobs.Which is to regulate and protect the food supply. OK, got any proof of your claims? quote: I hope the "NC" perps get what`s due for them.That doesn`t have anything to do with PETA`s agenda,regarding the euthinasia of un-wanted pets. Um, the perps being PETA staff members following PETA procedures using PETA vehicles and illegally obtained PETA drugs has absolutely nothing to do with PETA's agenda of course. Everybody can believe that, no problem. quote: I still haven`t heard you address the issue of un-wanted pets. That would be because I rarely have anything to do with domestic animals either personally or professionally. I work with wildlife. My concerns are direct and personal and have to do with the animals I'm responsible for and the people who have harmed them or threatened to kill them. That would be PETA, among other similarly extremist animal rights terrorism groups.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 5:20:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Action All I have to say, is that I wanted to make people aware by starting this thread. If your not in agreement then so be it, but I personaly just do not promote anything to do with peta, and instead full heartedly support my resident SPCA and people who foster animals and no kill centers. I should hope more real rights groups start to form and grow without the need for blowing up medical centers and relize we too are animals. If we choose not to be vegans dosn't make us inhuman but part of the life cycle, that animals never deserver to die in uneeded reason or in cruel terms. Im probably rambling, but awareness was the point of my thread and I think dispite all the bickering its been made. and instead full heartedly support my resident SPCA and people who foster animals and no kill centers. It it is now,that`s completely un-realistic. The dogs and cats are still going to come.Wake up!That is un-deniable.If they aren`t adopted,most will eventually be put down.That`s the way it works folks,deal w/ it.A horrible reality,true,but one that can`t be hidden,as so many seem to want to. If you don`t want to/can`t deal with that horrible reality,get out of the way. Don`t be a victim of a food industry`s ad campaign.You can be against PETA and not be duped by fake advocacy groups,like PETAKILLSANIMALS.com. If PETAKILLSANIMALS.com. had not been so disingenuous,but rather criticized PETA legitimately on something they do wrong,(as policy, not this line of bull shit),then they would have some credibility. Now, I wonder what else is being said about PETA,that`s bullshit. It would certainly seem that there is an effort to distort the record,and mis-lead the public,like PETAKILLSANIMALS.com.,did.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 5:37:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Nope.The "North Carolina"(tyvm)case IS an isolated case.If it wsn`t,you`d be able to show that.Can you point to any other cases like this one?I`m not going to take your word on it.I`m open to anything you have. The incidents I could personally document would be in the zoo and wildlife field, but the place I would document them would not be on an adult message board for the purposes of casual discussion. The incidents that other people have documented that have to do with dogs and cats are really not hard to find. Petakillsanimals.com is a great start. Except you'll dismiss all their evidence as being funded by the food industry. quote: PETAKILLSANIAMLS.com is being disingenuous by claiming they care about dogs.They are a anti-peta group,period.Their agenda has nothing to do with treating animals better.Actually,their agenda is quite the opposite. Using bullshit tactics to sell their point,by playing on the sympathy people have for dogs(and cats).They(PETAKILLSANIMALS.com,CCF,the food lobby,etc) don`t want gov. regulators in the production fascilities,doing their jobs.Which is to regulate and protect the food supply. OK, got any proof of your claims? quote: I hope the "NC" perps get what`s due for them.That doesn`t have anything to do with PETA`s agenda,regarding the euthinasia of un-wanted pets. Um, the perps being PETA staff members following PETA procedures using PETA vehicles and illegally obtained PETA drugs has absolutely nothing to do with PETA's agenda of course. Everybody can believe that, no problem. quote: I still haven`t heard you address the issue of un-wanted pets. That would be because I rarely have anything to do with domestic animals either personally or professionally. I work with wildlife. My concerns are direct and personal and have to do with the animals I'm responsible for and the people who have harmed them or threatened to kill them. That would be PETA, among other similarly extremist animal rights terrorism groups. That would be because I rarely have anything to do with domestic animals either personally or professionally. That`s what were talking about ,lady.Dogs and cats!You bought up the "North Carolina"case.!?!lol ok whatever... Could I suggest you stop switching the subjects,or start another thread. This story,this thread,this fake ad campaign by PETAKILLSANIMALS.com,(and by CCF,the food lobby,etc)is about dogs and cats. Ten frig`n million a year,god damm it.A fucking river of suffering!If you don`t have anything to add,that would be helpful in regards to the dogs and cats,could you please think of something. I think it`s about the dogs and cats,and certainly should not be an opportunity to pile on PETA,or muddying the waters w/ bullshit lies.

Action -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 5:37:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Action All I have to say, is that I wanted to make people aware by starting this thread. If your not in agreement then so be it, but I personaly just do not promote anything to do with peta, and instead full heartedly support my resident SPCA and people who foster animals and no kill centers. I should hope more real rights groups start to form and grow without the need for blowing up medical centers and relize we too are animals. If we choose not to be vegans dosn't make us inhuman but part of the life cycle, that animals never deserver to die in uneeded reason or in cruel terms. Im probably rambling, but awareness was the point of my thread and I think dispite all the bickering its been made. and instead full heartedly support my resident SPCA and people who foster animals and no kill centers. It it is now,that`s completely un-realistic. The dogs and cats are still going to come.Wake up!That is un-deniable.If they aren`t adopted,most will eventually be put down.That`s the way it works folks,deal w/ it.A horrible reality,true,but one that can`t be hidden,as so many seem to want to. If you don`t want to/can`t deal with that horrible reality,get out of the way. Don`t be a victim of a food industry`s ad campaign.You can be against PETA and not be duped by fake advocacy groups,like PETAKILLSANIMALS.com. If PETAKILLSANIMALS.com. had not been so disingenuous,but rather criticized PETA legitimately on something they do wrong,(as policy, not this line of bull shit),then they would have some credibility. Now, I wonder what else is being said about PETA,that`s bullshit. It would certainly seem that there is an effort to distort the record,and mis-lead the public,like PETAKILLSANIMALS.com.,did. I'd love your thoughts on any OTHER group that isn't funded by food and is anti peta, becuase there are plenty as far as I've found. As for where the dogs are coming from? Are you going to seriously claim that NON of the nueturing and spaying of animals is making any leeway in the lowering of unwanted pets. And as someone who fosters cats, and as someone who knows a whole host of people in my city and others who foster animals, there is always a better solution. Or is there no such thing as letting an animal live out its days as long as its healthy and happy. There are such ranches and people who do specificly this. Yes there is an overpopulation problem, but with as much breath as your wasting saying thats not possible, (its always possible) to fix this. I pose you a better question. Why exactly are you so FOR peta that you call everything ANTI peta bullshit. I could care less about the one petakillsanimals site so long as it brings awareness to the actual problem. But I dont know any animal, wildlife, spca and any other true animal workers that would knowingly condone the true agenda of peta which in its core is: animals should never have any contact with humans and that if they need be kill all pet, livestock, or zoo captured animal to do so they will. Im just a bit confused why you side step the subject and simply concentrate on petakillsanimals.com when thats not really whats being discussed here. Becuas the true state records show the FACT that peta would rather kill then house HEALTHY animals without a chance, where as the state numbers of adopted animals that year is near 75%. So compare peta to a shelter shows by far the shelter is the better solution.

camille65 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 5:44:23 PM)
http://www.animalscam.com/ http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/article/154 http://www.anti-peta.com/ http://www.thisistrue.com/peta.html I've not read through all of those but there is [so far] some interesting stuff.

Najakcharmer -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 5:49:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 That`s what were talking about ,lady.Dogs and cats!You bought up the "North Carolina"case.!?!lol ok whatever... Yes, that would be the state I live in. PETA's goal is to end human-animal interactions of all types, and they are willing to lie to collect money, kill animals and commit criminal acts to further that goal. They are dangerous fanatics. quote: I think it`s about the dogs and cats,and certainly should not be an opportunity to pile on PETA,or muddying the waters w/ bullshit lies. Unlike PETA, I don't tell lies. I have had direct personal experience with PETA criminal behavior, including crminal vandalism to wildlife facilities, "fence cutting", irresponsible animal release incidents that risked the safety of both humans and animals, and the harrassment of park guests and employees with threats of violence. This has nothing to do with propaganda by the food industry or whatever else you're claiming. This has to do with animals I know and give care to being put at risk because insane people think that their fanatic beliefs justify criminal behavior.

Hanable -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 5:50:37 PM)
ive never liked PETA as a group.. i like the idea but some ideas jsut shouldnt be put to large scale. i dont agree with killing any pet but sometimes it is the best thing to do.. we may have to put one of our dogs down.. shes been with us for 13 years.. shes old.. and sick.. it may be best if we did put her to sleep... and the offices we have gone to r very good about being humane and letting us be there if we have to put an animal down.. they understand. the animal shelter i volenteered at a while back had to change how they kept there animals they had so many so i think more animal shelter keep animals longer then many people believe. H >:)

Satyr6406 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 5:53:20 PM)
I also thought that P.E.T.A. stood for: [P]eople [E]ating [T]asty [A]nimals? (I kill myself, sometimes!!!!) Peace and comfort, Michael

Najakcharmer -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 5:55:55 PM)
"Despite its deceptively warm-and-fuzzy public image, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has donated over $150,000 to criminal activists -- including those jailed for arson, burglary, and even attempted murder. In 2001, PETA donated $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front, a criminal organization that the FBI classifies as "domestic terrorists." And since 2000, rank-and-file PETA activists have been arrested over 80 times for breaking various laws during PETA protests. Charges included felony obstruction of government property, criminal mischief, assaulting a cabinet official, felony vandalism, performing obscene acts in public, destruction of federal property, and burglary."

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 6:40:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Action quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Action All I have to say, is that I wanted to make people aware by starting this thread. If your not in agreement then so be it, but I personaly just do not promote anything to do with peta, and instead full heartedly support my resident SPCA and people who foster animals and no kill centers. I should hope more real rights groups start to form and grow without the need for blowing up medical centers and relize we too are animals. If we choose not to be vegans dosn't make us inhuman but part of the life cycle, that animals never deserver to die in uneeded reason or in cruel terms. Im probably rambling, but awareness was the point of my thread and I think dispite all the bickering its been made. and instead full heartedly support my resident SPCA and people who foster animals and no kill centers. It it is now,that`s completely un-realistic. The dogs and cats are still going to come.Wake up!That is un-deniable.If they aren`t adopted,most will eventually be put down.That`s the way it works folks,deal w/ it.A horrible reality,true,but one that can`t be hidden,as so many seem to want to. If you don`t want to/can`t deal with that horrible reality,get out of the way. Don`t be a victim of a food industry`s ad campaign.You can be against PETA and not be duped by fake advocacy groups,like PETAKILLSANIMALS.com. If PETAKILLSANIMALS.com. had not been so disingenuous,but rather criticized PETA legitimately on something they do wrong,(as policy, not this line of bull shit),then they would have some credibility. Now, I wonder what else is being said about PETA,that`s bullshit. It would certainly seem that there is an effort to distort the record,and mis-lead the public,like PETAKILLSANIMALS.com.,did. I'd love your thoughts on any OTHER group that isn't funded by food and is anti peta, becuase there are plenty as far as I've found. As for where the dogs are coming from? Are you going to seriously claim that NON of the nueturing and spaying of animals is making any leeway in the lowering of unwanted pets. And as someone who fosters cats, and as someone who knows a whole host of people in my city and others who foster animals, there is always a better solution. Or is there no such thing as letting an animal live out its days as long as its healthy and happy. There are such ranches and people who do specificly this. Yes there is an overpopulation problem, but with as much breath as your wasting saying thats not possible, (its always possible) to fix this. I pose you a better question. Why exactly are you so FOR peta that you call everything ANTI peta bullshit. I could care less about the one petakillsanimals site so long as it brings awareness to the actual problem. But I dont know any animal, wildlife, spca and any other true animal workers that would knowingly condone the true agenda of peta which in its core is: animals should never have any contact with humans and that if they need be kill all pet, livestock, or zoo captured animal to do so they will. Im just a bit confused why you side step the subject and simply concentrate on petakillsanimals.com when thats not really whats being discussed here. Becuas the true state records show the FACT that peta would rather kill then house HEALTHY animals without a chance, where as the state numbers of adopted animals that year is near 75%. So compare peta to a shelter shows by far the shelter is the better solution. Find me a group that isn`t funded in some way by corporate America,that`s critical of PETA,on this issue. As for where the dogs are coming from? Are you going to seriously claim that NON of the nurturing and spaying of animals is making any leeway in the lowering of unwanted pets. Please,lets stick to what I HAVE said.Of course spaying and nurturing are affective and helpful,and have reduced countless numbers .I didn`t comment on that and that`s not the issue here. And as someone who fosters cats, and as someone who knows a whole host of people in my city and others who foster animals, there is always a better solution. Then why do 10 million dogs and cats get killed every year(in the US).How many un-wanted animals get killed in the UK,ever year? This is not a trick question,and you must answer it. Or is there no such thing as letting an animal live out its days as long as its healthy and happy. There are such ranches and people who do specificly this. There are those places,yes.Many of them,but not enough.Many animals DO get adopted every year.But ten mil. DON`T.Sorry,but you can`t play "make pretend" here. What do you suppose would happen if no animals were put down?How do you think shelters would fare?You can`t just keep stuffing animals into those places,not ten million a year.Would you let them languish in deteriorating conditions?Because unless they`re adopted,that is what will happen.Hoping won`t change that. Yes there is an overpopulation problem, but with as much breath as your wasting saying that's not possible, (its always possible) to fix this. I pose you a better question. Not waisting my breath, honey.Just pointing out the awful truth. "Make pretend" isn`t going to help.The facts on the ground need to be considered,not our wish list. Why exactly are you so FOR peta that you call everything ANTI peta bullshit. I could care less about the one petakillsanimals site so long as it brings awareness to the actual problem. I`m not FOR ,..PETA.I have a problem with the site you posted,and quoted from again and again.lol It`s that website, that is bullshit. The way you fell for the con,was amusing ,and scary at once. your quote: "they openly admited it was cheaper to kill the animals then to shelter and rehouse them". . Jesus ...that`s the fuck`n truth,not their position!lolTo twist it around ,like that`s PETA`s position is not being truthful. It`s like saying the guy beat my fist,with his face.lolUnderstand? Im just a bit confused why you side step the subject and simply concentrate on petakillsanimals.com when thats not really whats being discussed here. Because that`s the site you posted.I`m I missing something? Becuas the true state records show the FACT that peta would rather kill then house HEALTHY animals without a chance, where as the state numbers of adopted animals that year is near 75%. YES! 75% are adopted,that leaves ten million that aren`t!Where is the dis-connect? So compare peta to a shelter shows by far the shelter is the better solution. Fact: Shelters in the US,put down millions of un-wanted dogs and cats,every year.Where`s the scorn heaped on them?Where is the sinister conspiracy stories about the local animal shelters?lol.Healthy,loving,warm,innocent,awesome and cute pets,killed by those awful animal shelter volunteers!<sarcasm>Ten million a year! Could it be that there`s no well financed, fake ad campaign against animal shelters?Like the one that PETAKILLSANIMALS.com.,did with PETA. Muddling the truth here only helps the problems.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 6:50:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 That`s what were talking about ,lady.Dogs and cats!You bought up the "North Carolina"case.!?!lol ok whatever... Yes, that would be the state I live in. PETA's goal is to end human-animal interactions of all types, and they are willing to lie to collect money, kill animals and commit criminal acts to further that goal. They are dangerous fanatics. quote: I think it`s about the dogs and cats,and certainly should not be an opportunity to pile on PETA,or muddying the waters w/ bullshit lies. Unlike PETA, I don't tell lies. I have had direct personal experience with PETA criminal behavior, including crminal vandalism to wildlife facilities, "fence cutting", irresponsible animal release incidents that risked the safety of both humans and animals, and the harrassment of park guests and employees with threats of violence. This has nothing to do with propaganda by the food industry or whatever else you're claiming. This has to do with animals I know and give care to being put at risk because insane people think that their fanatic beliefs justify criminal behavior. Unlike PETA, I don't tell lies. The whole PETAKILLSANIMALS com thing, was/is a lie ,from begining to end.Sorry .That I know,and have to factor when looking at this.What other bullshit groups are out there doing con jobs? The fake group PETAKILLSANIMALS com ,their backers,CCF and the people/businesses behind them, were too clever, by half.... They only hurt themselves,here.

barefootprincess -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 7:07:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Satyr6406 I also thought that P.E.T.A. stood for: [P]eople [E]ating [T]asty [A]nimals? (I kill myself, sometimes!!!!) This is what I have been brought up to understand what PETA meant,people eating tastey animals. And besides, those peta people always go after little old ladies with fur coats. They do not even attempt to atagonize a big biker with leather/fur on. Seems they only try to stay on the safe side of the arguement. Peace and comfort, Michael

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 7:54:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer "Despite its deceptively warm-and-fuzzy public image, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has donated over $150,000 to criminal activists -- including those jailed for arson, burglary, and even attempted murder. In 2001, PETA donated $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front, a criminal organization that the FBI classifies as "domestic terrorists." And since 2000, rank-and-file PETA activists have been arrested over 80 times for breaking various laws during PETA protests. Charges included felony obstruction of government property, criminal mischief, assaulting a cabinet official, felony vandalism, performing obscene acts in public, destruction of federal property, and burglary." "Despite its deceptively warm-and-fuzzy public image, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has donated over $150,000 to criminal activists -- including those jailed for arson, burglary, So has the fuck`n republican party!lol.There are guys in jail,going to jail,and getting pardoned from going to jail.Guys who bribe,steel money,lie and cheat,launder money,and con people,and expose national security secrets(Plamegate).Would it be fair to indict all the republican sheeple,because of a few ass holes?Nooo. Even I wouldn`t say the republican party is full of criminals.B/c it`s not true.The rank and file,though clueless and sheep-like,are not bad people.It`s the neo-cons that are the disease. and even attempted murder. Like the one in Jena?And is that PETA policy?Or an individual,doing the wrong thing. rank-and-file PETA activists have been arrested over 80 times for breaking various laws during PETA protests. oh gee,now the tasers come out.....<referencing the UF kid who was taser tortured> breaking laws during protests,....oh my.... got anything else...That`s kinda lame.And what does that have to do w/ millions of dogs and cats ,cruelly killed each year? In 2001, PETA donated $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front, a criminal organization that the FBI classifies as "domestic terrorists." Question:Was the NAELF on the terrorist list,in 2001?And did PETA donate any money to them, after they were put on the list? I think that is a valid question.Do you know? Another question,are you just C&Ping this text?It sounds like another anti-peta website,like PETAKILLSANIMALS.com.

iammachine -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/23/2007 9:17:23 PM)
Jeebus, I can't believe I read this entire thread. Ponyboy7 owes me one, my head hurts. Alright, to get down to business! 1) No matter how flawed their tactics or overall ideology, PETA does make some valid points. 2) No matter how flawed their tactics or overall ideology, petakillsanimals.com, does make some valid points. The world isn't so black and white. Being against PETA, doesn't mean that I am for animal cruelty, that's nonsense. Similarly, conceding that the website listed in the OP does actually bring up some valid points, doesn't mean that I am for or agree with whatever other agendas of the organizations sponsoring said site. quote: Just don`t be a victim of a fake PR campaign,by people who could care less about dogs. lawl! One could argue the same point about PETA. For all of their propaganda, how much does PETA actually do to help animals? They certainly seem to have an imaginative interpration of the word ethical, as illustrated by many of their tactics. You keep posting, yet all I keep seeing is propaganda, propaganda, sensationalism, knee-jerk tactics, and... propaganda. Evil, no matter how you look at it, is still evil. Playing on people's emotions does not validate a point. No matter how many times you repeat something or how loud you say it, it doesn't make it any more valid an argument. So you say, millions of otherwise healthy animals are euthanized every year. That is, indeed, a problem. Nor am I denying that animal cruelty does happen. Cruelty is horrible, but I challenge you to show me verifiable statistics that the kind of cruelty you describe is practiced in at all the widespread and systematic fashion that you seem to portray. Having friends that work in shelters, I'd be hard pressed to think that actively causing an animal to suffer is at all common amongst this type of facility, who generally have people that really care about animal welfare in their employ. These so called evil institutions had a 51.4% percent adoption rate during the 2005 calendar year. Conversely, in the same year, PETA had an adoption rate of only 6.7%. Only 146 of 2165 "rescued" animals were placed in new homes by PETAs Virginia facility versus 16475 of 32052 animals being placed by state run shelters in the same region. You argue, however, that animals are euthanized inhumanely because it is cheaper. I'm not going to argue the point of humane euthanasia practices, because really, who is going to argue against humane practices? I highly doubt, however, that cruel practices would be worth it no matter how much cheaper it is up front, thanks to fines and other sanctions an offender would face if they were found to be in violation of state laws. What I want to know, is with the 25 million dollars raised in that year, why was PETA, who's agenda is supposedly for the ethical treatment of animals, success rate so dismally poor in comparison to the insitutions they rail against for supposedly inhumane practices (you can't prosecute what you can't verify)? They have the resources, yet PETA chooses to euthanize animals that have been given to them because it's cheaper. Clearly, with the discrepancy in adoption rates, they are doing what is cheap and not using their resources to actually help many of these animals. This begs the question, if 25 million dollars in resources failed to help 2019 animals, what is that money being use for? So, are you for animal welfare, or are you for propaganda?

Najakcharmer -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 12:03:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Find me a group that isn`t funded in some way by corporate America,that`s critical of PETA,on this issue. All zoo and wildlife professional organizations are critical of PETA and have this group on "red alert" status, because PETA frequently attacks our facilities, sometimes in criminal ways. If I was working in a park and a gang of Hell's Angels in full colors had just walked in as paying guests and a group of PETA people was there on the same day, I would detail one person to pay attention to the motorcycle gang and the rest of the security team to follow the PETA group. That's what the PETA record is for causing serious incidents at zoos. We take them very, very seriously as a security threat to the safety of our animals and of our park guests and employees. They have attempted to circumvent security measures to enter cages and provoke animals to bite them to create public incidents in the hope that the animal that bit them will be euthanized and the zoo shut down. That's a zookeeper's absolute worst nightmare, that an insane animal rights fanatic will get past their defenses, provoke an animal that they give care to and get that animal killed. They do it on purpose. They have done it to my friends and co-workers in this field. Not, so far, to me - but I have to live every single day knowing that an animal I love and care for may be their next publicity target. All professionals in the zoo and wildlife field know that these people are terrorists and deal with them accordingly. They kill our animals and put park guests and employees at risk to further their crazy fanatic agenda. We will not tolerate their lies or their violence.

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