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Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 6:42:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Find me a group that isn`t funded in some way by corporate America,that`s critical of PETA,on this issue. All zoo and wildlife professional organizations are critical of PETA and have this group on "red alert" status, because PETA frequently attacks our facilities, sometimes in criminal ways. If I was working in a park and a gang of Hell's Angels in full colors had just walked in as paying guests and a group of PETA people was there on the same day, I would detail one person to pay attention to the motorcycle gang and the rest of the security team to follow the PETA group. That's what the PETA record is for causing serious incidents at zoos. We take them very, very seriously as a security threat to the safety of our animals and of our park guests and employees. They have attempted to circumvent security measures to enter cages and provoke animals to bite them to create public incidents in the hope that the animal that bit them will be euthanized and the zoo shut down. That's a zookeeper's absolute worst nightmare, that an insane animal rights fanatic will get past their defenses, provoke an animal that they give care to and get that animal killed. They do it on purpose. They have done it to my friends and co-workers in this field. Not, so far, to me - but I have to live every single day knowing that an animal I love and care for may be their next publicity target. All professionals in the zoo and wildlife field know that these people are terrorists and deal with them accordingly. They kill our animals and put park guests and employees at risk to further their crazy fanatic agenda. We will not tolerate their lies or their violence. Ya know,I`m going to give up on you,respectfully.I`m feeling like this is a one way conversation.I asked some clear, simple questions and to back up what was said ,and I get opinion and stories about how afraid you are of peta.You claim to be a chef,but all I`m get`n is soup. 1st,PETA has the food industry and their lobbyists,The Beef Board,the billion dollar fur trade,the NRA,and other hunting groups,the farm lobby,Pharma(the drug lobby,one of the biggest,most powerful lobbying outfits in DC),the Medical R&D lobby and so on ,and so on.ALL lining up against PETA.To a person,the most influential,powerful,moneyed,best financed, and most connected people in the world,all going after PETA.Why?It`s not b/c they love animals(the exact opposite) and don`t want the cuddly dogs and cats to be put down,like PETAKILLSANIMALS.com, claims to.They target PETA,because they`re losing money,period. Vegetarianism,no fur policies,reforming of our medical testing and R&D policy,and reforming the cosmetic testing(remember all the blinding of rabbits,to test eye liners and eye make-up?),reformin thr rodeos and Zoos,and so on,have bitten into the profits,to tune of billions(combined) PETA has been the most affective group in this effort.So naturally,they are the #1 target by PR firms,and get negative stories done on them.As well,have the few times a PETA member breaks the law,and having the whole group smeared with those isolated incidences. I`ve seen PETA`s president on Bill Maher`s show .She didn`t have horns,or a tail. Now,on the few nut cases. My best analogy would be the republican party.Something everyone can relate to. By and large,they are honest,tax paying(the middle class does,anyway),patriotic,America loving and ok to hang out with. But part of their ranks, includes the lunatic fringe,white supremacist groups and their sympathizers,KKK front groups like the CCC(Council of Concerned Citizens),where Trent Lott(former republican Senate leader) spoke recently,the Moral Majority,Pat Robertson and the late Jerry Falwell,the wacko section of the Christian Right,the anti-abortionists who have bombed,murdered,stalked,and assaulted countless times,the bigot section of the republican party,the Timothy McVeigh/David Courish sympathizers,the wacko right-wing talk show people like Rush Limbaugh,Michael Savage,G.Gordon Liddy, the republicans who stole the 2000 election,Ted Nugent,Wayne LaPiere of the NRA,David Duke,....I could go on,but you get the point. The republican party has within it, some of the worst behaved people,in all of America.Within the party,are some of the most regressive,corrosive,and malignent elements in the country. Should the republican party as a whole, be smeared by the criminal/bad elements within their ranks?Hell no.It wouldn`t be fair.They get enough grief for the stuff they get caught for.No need to paint them all as loons and crooks,because of the lunatic fringe.And that`s not how liberals opperate,anyway.If they did,the republican party would as un-popular as the nazi party. There are always going to be a nuttier,more extreme element,in any group.PETA is no different.And like the republican party(w/ clinic bombers),PETA is going to have the things you discribed.Doesn`t mean they`re all like that,or sanctioned by the leadership. http://www.rickross.com/groups/abortion.html Or the biggots http://cofcc.org/ Which brings me back to PETA.They don`t promise a rose garden.Their mission is not to promote puppy mills and the wholesale use of animals.They want all and any use of them to stop,period.No matter what.All exploitation,mild or harsh,ended. An extreme position(which I don`t agree w/) for sure.Undeniable, inarguable and something they would tell/scream at you.But no more extreme than parts of the anti-abortion crowd. I`ve heard all the anti-PETA stuff,and I know about the lying crap eaters at PETAKILLSANILS.com,also. I`m less convinced then ever that PETA ,is a bad faith outfit. I do dog rescue.I know personally,that there is literally a river of unwanted dogs and cats,flowing by.I`m only one person and can`t save them all.Most dog-hearted people feel this way.But that doesn`t mean you do nothing.IMO,you do what you can.Some day I`ll have a farm,and I`ll rescue as many dogs as I can.Instead of 10 million dogs killed a year,it`ll be 9,999,990 or so dogs that`ll get put down.I`ll take as many as I can.

Najakcharmer -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 7:41:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 PETA has been the most affective group in this effort.So naturally,they are the #1 target by PR firms,and get negative stories done on them.As well,have the few times a PETA member breaks the law,and having the whole group smeared with those isolated incidences. I`ve seen PETA`s president on Bill Maher`s show .She didn`t have horns,or a tail. Want to hear PETA's vegetarian campaign director Bruce Friedrich urging people to blow things up, smash windows and commit arson against restaurants, medical labs and banks? Here you go. He thinks it's "perfectly appropriate" for people to take bricks and toss them through windows, and says "hallelujah" to the people who are willing to do it. How about some more quotes directly from PETA's officers? I'm not making this stuff up "We feel that animals have the same rights as retarded children." -Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA, New York Times, January 14, 1989. "Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause." -Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA "I wish we all would get up and go into the labs and take the animals out or burn them down." -Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, National Animal Rights Convention '97, June 27, 1997 They don't have horns or tails, but they are dangerous fanatics who publically advocate and practice arson, vandalism and violence. These incidents are not isolated cases or individual members acting against the policies of the organization. According to its officers, in their own words, these ARE the policies of the organization.

AquaticSub -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 7:45:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Does anyone know how many healthy dogs and cats are put down every year,by your local shelters?Does anyone care? Didn`t think so. Well,over ten million.That`s right,million with a "M". Does anyone know how these animals are put down?Does anyone even care?News flash...The cheapest way possible.Doesn`t matter how inhumane or cruel. Could it be that PETA is trying provide a humane way to do this(the NC case not withstanding)? Could it be that the fake consumer group,CCF is using the Michael Vick story,to further their anti-PETA agenda? I think PETA ,for all their faults,is a victim of swiftboating. PETA also protests and threatens the lives of those who run shelters. Shelters are forced to kill animals because of lack of funds to keep them all. You want to decrease the amount of animals dying? Spay/neuter, keep the animals you adopt and donate $$$.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 7:47:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Does anyone know how many healthy dogs and cats are put down every year,by your local shelters?Does anyone care? Didn`t think so. Well,over ten million.That`s right,million with a "M". Does anyone know how these animals are put down?Does anyone even care?News flash...The cheapest way possible.Doesn`t matter how inhumane or cruel. Could it be that PETA is trying provide a humane way to do this(the NC case not withstanding)? Could it be that the fake consumer group,CCF is using the Michael Vick story,to further their anti-PETA agenda? I think PETA ,for all their faults,is a victim of swiftboating. PETA also protests and threatens the lives of those who run shelters. Shelters are forced to kill animals because of lack of funds to keep them all. You want to decrease the amount of animals dying? Spay/neuter, keep the animals you adopt and donate $$$. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM0Z-1zfKHQ

AquaticSub -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 7:51:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM0Z-1zfKHQ Lemme guess... another movie about animals being tortured? Guess what - that doesn't make up for the fact that PETA threatens the lives of people, including children. Edited to add: I particularly loved when the PETA reps said "I don't see violence and non-violence as moral issues. They are simply tactics," on TV.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 7:56:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM0Z-1zfKHQ Lemme guess... another movie about animals being tortured? Guess what - that doesn't make up for the fact that PETA threatens the lives of people, including children. Edited to add: I particularly loved when the PETA reps said "I don't see violence and non-violence as moral issues. They are simply tactics," on TV. nooo It`s a clip of Bill Maher,lighten up...lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBaRx-t-UQY&mode=related&search= This ones really funny

AquaticSub -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 7:57:46 PM)
Sorry. I guess I don't find the idea of children being threatened because their father hunts very funny.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 8:56:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM0Z-1zfKHQ Lemme guess... another movie about animals being tortured? Guess what - that doesn't make up for the fact that PETA threatens the lives of people, including children. Edited to add: I particularly loved when the PETA reps said "I don't see violence and non-violence as moral issues. They are simply tactics," on TV. We agree.Neither do I. You would also agree, that threatening the lives(not verbally but literally,by pointing deer rifles at them,when the anti-hunt groups show up at parks and wilderness areas,on opening day)of PETA members and other anti-hunter groups. I once watched a news story about a big fund raiser in PA. The money was raised by selling tix and and other stuff,at a bird shooting event.This was a shooting event like none I`ve ever seen before(to that point). They had a huge but flat lawn area,with a row of wooden boxes,about 50 yards out.In the boxes were the birds.White ones,I can`t remember what type. The "shooters" were lined up,and as the boxes were opened letting the birds out,BOOM,a puff of feathers.About as un-sportsmen like as you can get(IMO).Set the animal up and shred it up as soon as you see it.Like live "clay pigeons".Lots of pop and movement,and the pleasure of killing.Probably pretty expensive too.It was disgusting to watch.Just shear gluttony.There`s no excuse for that shit.You can be for guns,and hunting,and still think that that`s going to far.What`s next,plugging them while still caged,or tied off? A group of protesters were there, and the news camera caught a young lady confronting an elderly man who was there.She asked him about how cruel and inhumane it all was.She asked,"why do you need to shoot animals like this ?".He could only cough out(through his rage)"I`ll shoot you,little girl!!",and raised his shotgun at her. Now, how do ya like that? Should we indict all hunters,because of the stupid slobs at that event,who made the terrorist threats?No.of course not. There are so called "private hunting" outfits,all over America,that have fenced in,in-closed "hunting "areas,where the animals are essentially "trapped" and doomed,with no possible escape. These low lifes who operate these fake hunting businesses,can/will get exotic animals(caged,bought from private zoos,old,sick,unwanted,smuggled illegally,etc)for you to shoot. How much fun is that?<said sarcastically) They usually get deer,elk,bears,wild fowl,any animal you want to kill.That`s just plain wrong,and shouldn`t be legal. Should all hunters be broad brushed,because of cowards like that?Nope. I saw a vid of some kids,who had a mountain lion,in a covered cage,in the back of their truck. They stood on top of their pick-up(with rifles),and released the cat.As soon as the cat cleared the cage,those scum bags shot it,shattering it`s rear end.So it just crawled and struggled under the truck,screaming.As a dog taunted and bite at the mountain lion,the brave hunters jumped to the ground and took pot shots at it.It took forever.The screams and crying were as bad as the "brave hunters" laughing.Disgusting. I`m not sure how I would have handled that,if I came upon it. I might have ended up in jail,or the hospital,or dead.Does that make me a radical? Should we say that all hunters are scum,because of those "brave" lion shooters? Nope Don`t broad brush PETA,with the deeds of a few.

Najakcharmer -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 9:37:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Don`t broad brush PETA,with the deeds of a few. Deeds of a few? Like, gee, I dunno....their President and all of their key staff members and major officers who are officially on the public record encouraging their supporters to commit arson, vandalism and violence?

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 9:55:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Don`t broad brush PETA,with the deeds of a few. Deeds of a few? Like, gee, I dunno....their President and all of their key staff members and major officers who are officially on the public record encouraging their supporters to commit arson, vandalism and violence? Got a link? A source? Cuz I`m not going to take your word for it.If you have one ,post it. Claiming I`m in denial,won`t cut it,either. And don`t make it a PETAKILLSANIMALS.com type site or writer. Perhaps a vid of what you claim?A real reporter,documenting what you claim.Or those things, stated in PETA literature or their website? You also linked PETA to a terrorist group.I asked for proof that PETA gave them money,after the FBI put the group on the terrorist list.Never heard back.Is that b/c it`s not true? I need more than soup and salad.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 10:05:00 PM)
not trying to be difficult or abstinent.That PETAKILLSANIMALS.com thing, has my "bullshit detector antennae" out. I`m a normal guy,and can be convinced. John Lennon Im sick and tired of hearing things From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth Ive had enough of reading things By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me With just a pocketful of hope Money for dope Money for rope No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me With just a pocketful of soap Money for dope Money for rope Im sick to death of seeing things From tight-lipped, condescending, mamas little chauvinists All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth now Ive had enough of watching scenes Of schizophrenic, ego-centric, paranoiac, prima-donnas All I want is the truth now Just gimme some truth No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me With just a pocketful of soap Its money for dope Money for rope Ah, Im sick and tired of hearing things From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocrites All I want is the truth now Just gimme some truth now Ive had enough of reading things By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians All I want is the truth now Just gimme some truth now All I want is the truth now Just gimme some truth now All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth

Ponyboy7 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 10:55:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Don`t broad brush PETA,with the deeds of a few. Deeds of a few? Like, gee, I dunno....their President and all of their key staff members and major officers who are officially on the public record encouraging their supporters to commit arson, vandalism and violence? Got a link? A source? Cuz I`m not going to take your word for it.If you have one ,post it. Claiming I`m in denial,won`t cut it,either. And don`t make it a PETAKILLSANIMALS.com type site or writer. Perhaps a vid of what you claim?A real reporter,documenting what you claim.Or those things, stated in PETA literature or their website? You also linked PETA to a terrorist group.I asked for proof that PETA gave them money,after the FBI put the group on the terrorist list.Never heard back.Is that b/c it`s not true? I need more than soup and salad. I don't really want to get back into this debate, but Najakcharmer did point out the following quotes: "Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause." -Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA "I wish we all would get up and go into the labs and take the animals out or burn them down." -Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, National Animal Rights Convention '97, June 27, 1997 The first one obviously indicates that PETA officials are on the public record encouraging their supporters to commit acts of "arson, property destruction, burglary...". These quotes are a matter of public record, and one reference corrorborating this can be found here at the NAIA. If that is not enough, I have quite a few other references in support of the same. Furthermore, the FBI considered the North American ELF a terrorist group no later than January 3, 2000 and it has been proven that PETA gave money to this group on April 20, 2001, more than 1 year after the FBI determined they were a terrorist organization. I also find it rather interesting that you wish to have us cite reputable references when you provide no references in support of your own position except, perhaps, the occasional video from youtube. Perhaps, you would be willing to cite a reference for the exactly 10 million dogs killed annually? It seems a very round number to me.

Real0ne -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 11:03:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Classic bullshit propaganda... Interested in buying the Brooklyn Bridge,Action? I`ll sell it to ya,cheap.... Really? HOw is it propaganda? you know you should be pissed because the they are racist bastards. PETA has attacked the Jewish kosher practice of killing animals calling it "Holocaust on your plate." Thats not propaganda, as far as I am concerened they are a terrorist cell.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 11:43:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ponyboy7 quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Don`t broad brush PETA,with the deeds of a few. Deeds of a few? Like, gee, I dunno....their President and all of their key staff members and major officers who are officially on the public record encouraging their supporters to commit arson, vandalism and violence? Got a link? A source? Cuz I`m not going to take your word for it.If you have one ,post it. Claiming I`m in denial,won`t cut it,either. And don`t make it a PETAKILLSANIMALS.com type site or writer. Perhaps a vid of what you claim?A real reporter,documenting what you claim.Or those things, stated in PETA literature or their website? You also linked PETA to a terrorist group.I asked for proof that PETA gave them money,after the FBI put the group on the terrorist list.Never heard back.Is that b/c it`s not true? I need more than soup and salad. I don't really want to get back into this debate, but Najakcharmer did point out the following quotes: "Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause." -Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA "I wish we all would get up and go into the labs and take the animals out or burn them down." -Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, National Animal Rights Convention '97, June 27, 1997 The first one obviously indicates that PETA officials are on the public record encouraging their supporters to commit acts of "arson, property destruction, burglary...". These quotes are a matter of public record, and one reference corrorborating this can be found here at the NAIA. If that is not enough, I have quite a few other references in support of the same. Furthermore, the FBI considered the North American ELF a terrorist group no later than January 3, 2000 and it has been proven that PETA gave money to this group on April 20, 2001, more than 1 year after the FBI determined they were a terrorist organization. I also find it rather interesting that you wish to have us cite reputable references when you provide no references in support of your own position except, perhaps, the occasional video from youtube. Perhaps, you would be willing to cite a reference for the exaclty 10 million dogs and cats killed anually? It seems a very round number to me. Thanks Ponyboy7 I won`t defend criminal acts. If you knew what went on in some labs(where animals are used for testing,and torn apart in every imaginable way),though,you might feel differently about the issue. The anti-abortion crowd supports the bombing,burning,etc., of clinics. I don`t support that either,but I understand how people feel about abortion,and how passions inflame.I`m not going to hold those passionate feelings against anyone.Or the group as a whole.I know that these things are going to get people riled up.If you truly believe that abortion is murder,how couldn`t one do almost anything to stop it,as some do right now. Though I support legal,safe,abortion services for women,I really don`t want them to happen. And I have respect for those folks who feel that abortion is wrong.I never hold that against someone.It`s a personal matter. And certainly,I don`t want clinics attacked. I also have respect for people who put their liberty on the line,for what they believe. Before I walk my dog,one question about the PETA money going to the terrorist group.Why haven`t law enforcement done anything about that.It`s against the law,if I`m not mistaken. On the number of dogs put down every year.The number ranges from 4 mil. to almost ten mil.I think 10 million is low,considering all the illegal dog dealing that goes on in the medical research industry. Just Google "dog batching". There was a HBO feature,w/ a guy going to a dog purchasing event(in the south),where dogs were "bunched",the 1st step on their way to hell. He had a Shepard,a nice gentle,playful pup.He walked around the event(which was huge,like football field sized),with the dog on a leash,and a hidden camera. He went up to every buyer,asking how much. Every guy said,"25 bucks,that`s all I can give you." There were thousands of dogs there,created in huge metal trailers,baking in the sun,and all doomed. The guy taped some "buyers" tossing dead dogs out of the trailers,that died from the heat,lack of water,no air.Who knows how many made it to the lab,for who knows what,then to be killed and dissected? These dogs don`t make the list,and who know how many are lost this way? The criminals who go to these"bunching events"are the real bad guys.They are the bottom feeders who answer the "free,to a good home ads,where people really do think that their kitten is going to a good home.But the dogs and cats don`t go to good homes.Rather,they go into stainless steel cages,and many suffer long slow deaths. Who,but PETA, is doing anything about that?

GregariousGreta -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 11:49:37 PM)
The real story is still grotesque, but not the same. They took the animals from animal shelters. But none the less, I've never condoned PETA, and I'm on the verge of becoming vegan. I'm fond of the term "vegans against PETA." They're full of contradictions, and stuff like this has been happening for a long time. PETA seems to cover their tracks rather well to their unsuspecting followers. I'm not one for militant protests especially when they endanger others including animals. I mean wtf, PETA? I've actually yelled at someone who labeled me, "One of those PETA ass holes." I was absolutely livid. I don't support them whatsoever.

Real0ne -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/24/2007 11:59:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GregariousGreta They're full of contradictions, and stuff like this has been happening for a long time. PETA seems to cover their tracks rather well to their unsuspecting followers. yup! some people do not do their research very well and many dont do any all.

Owner59 -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/25/2007 12:00:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GregariousGreta The real story is still grotesque, but not the same. They took the animals from animal shelters. But none the less, I've never condoned PETA, and I'm on the verge of becoming vegan. I'm fond of the term "vegans against PETA." They're full of contradictions, and stuff like this has been happening for a long time. PETA seems to cover their tracks rather well to their unsuspecting followers. I'm not one for militant protests especially when they endanger others including animals. I mean wtf, PETA? I've actually yelled at someone who labeled me, "One of those PETA ass holes." I was absolutely livid. I don't support them whatsoever. I`m feeling the lable too,and I`m not militant,or a peta member. I don`t condone the militants,but we can do a whole lot better than we are,in regards to how we treat animals,IMO.

iammachine -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/25/2007 12:30:29 AM)
quote: I`m feeling the lable too,and I`m not militant,or a peta member. I don`t condone the militants,but we can do a whole lot better than we are,in regards to how we treat animals,IMO. quote: If you knew what went on in some labs(where animals are used for testing,and torn apart in every imaginable way),though,you might feel differently about the issue. The anti-abortion crowd supports the bombing,burning,etc., of clinics. I don`t support that either,but I understand how people feel about abortion,and how passions inflame.I`m not going to hold those passionate feelings against anyone.Or the group as a whole.I know that these things are going to get people riled up.If you truly believe that abortion is murder,how couldn`t one do almost anything to stop it,as some do right now. Someone didn't read my OP, apparently. How does passion justify criminal activity? It doesn't. People have a right to their opinions. But regardless of how passionate someone is about their beliefs, their rights end where mine begin. There is a definite line between being passionate about your beliefs, and violating someone else's rights with terrorist actions. You're still arguing your point by appealing to people's emotions, but I've yet to see you actually substantiate your position. Google is not a reference, it's a search engine. Just as you rail anti-PETA exposés for being sensationalist propaganda, much of what can be found on google is just that: sensationalist propaganda. My challenge is still on the table, show us some verifiable facts to support your argument. Clearly, if you are so educated about what you are preaching about, this shouldn't be difficult for you to do. To answer your question as to "Who,but PETA, is doing anything about that?" in regards to animal cruelty, oh, I dunno, any number of the reputable organizations that are in existence? PETA isn't reputable, for one, nor do they have a corner on the market in regards to the interests of animals. Ever heard of, say, the SPCA, for example? As far as I can see (see my OP) PETA is actually doing very little to actually help animals.

AquaticSub -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/25/2007 8:12:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Don`t broad brush PETA,with the deeds of a few. I will stop judging PETA when PETA the organization stops protesting and picketing the houses of those who run animal shelters when those shelters have a far better placement rate then PETA itself. I will stop judging PETA when they stop trying to halt medical research - sorry, saving the lives of those with AIDS and other diseases is more imporant then some mice. I will stop judging PETA when the head of the organization stops refering to arsonists and firebombers as "fine young men". I will stop judging PETA when they stop condeming those who use insulin and medical research or when the vice-president of PETA stops taking insulin, which has animal by-products, and lets herself die the way she wants others to do. Oh - and I will stop judging PETA when their ads stop comparing slaughtering chickens to the Holocaust.

AquaticSub -> RE: PETA - The REAL killers (9/25/2007 8:15:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 I don`t condone the militants,but we can do a whole lot better than we are,in regards to how we treat animals,IMO. Yes we can. And when someone makes a group that will actually fight for the better treatment of animals without putting them above humans, I will send them my donations. Wait... I already do. Go SPCA!

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