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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:34:44 AM   
mistoferin


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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:35:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Stepping past the trollage in the OP, and addressing the underlying question, does anyone here doubt that scening in public is in many ways, an entirely different experience than what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms?

Then I'm having a hard time coming up with a reason for dismissing 'new and different' as 'inferior'... at least not from anyone who wants to learn more than they already know.

Of course for those who already know everything they are ever going to learn...


You appear to be linking "new and different" with the public scene, Al.

With my wife we were discovering "new and different" on a regular basis without any involvement in the public scene (online or offline).

I can see someone dismissing the public scene as inferior if their tastes are not inclined to that milieu. That is their right to choose the environment that suits them best.

I do not see dismissing their ability to develop their own techniques and activities which might actually be superior to anything in the public scene, but are unknown due to the private nature of the individuals involved.

Perhaps I've misunderstood you.


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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:36:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Erin, what's the matter?  You don't enjoy seeing OCD being publicly played out?    

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:37:17 AM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		Bob you took those two sentances out of context here is the supporting paragraph structure.

You feal qualified to lecture and tell people about what is going on out there in the Scene based on all your years of exposure online? (this is the edit because I cut off the top of the paragraph)

Perhaps teach someone about using a whip because you roleplayed using one for 20 years in an Internet chatroom?

Perhaps I should teach about surgery after reading a book on it.

That explains a lot as to the inaccurate information you have tried to teach here.

I look forward to your future posts of false authority, deception, and ignorance. More fun for me.

I can assure you the public scene is a lot different then the Internet, Bob.

I hope day you have some contact with it so you may actually know what you are talking about at some point.
 
So lets see the build up parts where it shows that he is discussing that it's not about one true way but rather about your ability to discuss how things were in the scene based on the limits of the internet 20 or so years ago through today.
You've certainly sliped a few nothces in my estimation with this paultry attempt to reverse the damages by taking something out of context and tossing on a stawman argument to knock down.

< Message edited by Archer -- 10/12/2007 6:44:59 AM >

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:38:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Erin, what's the matter?  You don't enjoy seeing OCD being publicly played out?    


Boy you got that right....and a whole bunch of other dysfunctional disorders to boot. That man is not a dual diagnosed individual....he's downright POLY!

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:39:51 AM   
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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:42:52 AM   
SlaveSuru


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Status: offline 		I met my Master at a Fetish ball,  so we have been in the scene from the start but most of our "scening" takes place in our own home with occasional trips to the club,  mainly for community and friends.  I believe BDSM is what ever you want to make of it,  in your home, in private or out at the club.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:44:11 AM   
mistoferin


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Let's skip this joint and enjoy some amaretto!


Ooooo...I just happen to have a bottle of Disarrono that I've been wanting to share.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:44:33 AM   
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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:53:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		And? Your link is a "straw man". One that I won't go for. You are still twisting the quote for your OP. Something that clearly shows you have little self-respect and/or dignity. And you clearly don't want to own up to that fact. MR isn't pontificating a one true way. He's just denouncing your inability to see other view points then your own. This thread is just your way to try and debase him because he will keep knocking your gates until you open your mind to defering thoughts. Something which you clearly do not want to do by the wording of your OP's.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:54:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth 
Before the thought is raised, I'll stipulate to being obsessive. I'm obsessive about many things; two of which are: (Not necessarily prioritized)
  1. Challenging hypocrisy and fraud
  2. Fun

Bob's posts provide ample opportunity for doing both.


Bob,
I challenge you on being a hypocrite and a fraud, and you and your words have proved me correct. You'll have to provide your rationalization about how that is a reference to any one true way. If you'd like an example of that, you'll have to quote yourself.

Now another diversion, no one ever represented public scening being the one true way. The reference was to your inconstancy regarding the subject. Public scening isn't a requirement. More lies - more self exposure. Good for you! Keep in mind the only person representing this as "one true way" is the poser, I mean poster of the OP.

Playing at a public space is convenient. You can yell, scream, and party without disturbing the neighbors. It is also fun and interesting for some to be in the company of other like minded people. When we first started playing at clubs the reasoning was for issues of convenience and the use of the play space. Since we've managed to make a room of our house a 'play-room' we now go mostly for social reasons; although the furniture and fixtures at the clubs far exceed my home equipment.

Is is lifestyle "dogma" to do either? Absolutely not!

This thread, as is obvious to many, is yet another diversion. Read the last few pages of the thread that spawned this thread and you'll observe a person cornered by the contradictions in his own words. Note that when requested reference and "proof" was provided the response was the creation of this thread. 

Its obvious that that this represents one person's one true way of running away.

Thank you for you consistency, Bob.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:54:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessMine

Round of drinks on Me!

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Are we talking body shots?  If so, I'll be first.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:57:27 AM   
Alumbrado


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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Stepping past the trollage in the OP, and addressing the underlying question, does anyone here doubt that scening in public is in many ways, an entirely different experience than what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms?

Then I'm having a hard time coming up with a reason for dismissing 'new and different' as 'inferior'... at least not from anyone who wants to learn more than they already know.

Of course for those who already know everything they are ever going to learn...


You appear to be linking "new and different" with the public scene, Al.

With my wife we were discovering "new and different" on a regular basis without any involvement in the public scene (online or offline).

I can see someone dismissing the public scene as inferior if their tastes are not inclined to that milieu. That is their right to choose the environment that suits them best.

I do not see dismissing their ability to develop their own techniques and activities which might actually be superior to anything in the public scene, but are unknown due to the private nature of the individuals involved.

Perhaps I've misunderstood you.



As always 'Bo'. 

If one has never done public scening, or is relying on gossip, how is the real world experience of others in that area not new and different?
For that matter, even if one has had a sample and didn't care for it, how can the sum of all experiences of others fit into that mold?

Or is it the people who believe in learning from as many sources as possible, and keeping an open mind, who have got it all wrong?



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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 6:58:27 AM   
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  As with most anything anyone stakes claim too these days, there exist an onslaught of opinions on the subject.  We would like to leave our personal observations pertaining to this subject matter.
 
  We have enjoyed the physical and psychological domination of women since we were in our early 20s. Of course we were not born a DOM, but learned and Mastered our techniques along the way, as with most of you.  We began learning about D/S and the community, as we progressed through the years. We attended gatherings, munches, picnics and other social functions such as Living in Leather, Sins picnics, Dressing for Pleasure and the Corset Ball. Throughout this time we became more aggressive in the domination of women (slaves) and began our transformation into the Master we are today at 54. 
 
  Although most of us begin with a partner in the comfort of our homes, many choose to remain there and enjoy it’s privacy. Some practicing in our scene  remain apprehensive in their “coming out” for fear of ridicule by their friends or family. We have witnessed many couples breaking their bonds – due to the lack of communication between themselves an their partners.  
 
  As we left the 70s, 80s and 90s more and more sexual freedom has been exposed in our values and society. Women who once felt repressed are breaking out and enjoying sexual freedoms  unheard of 30 years ago. Today’s woman can pick and choose her Master on media like the Internet - which has been instrumental in the bonding of slave and Master for some time now.
 
  As we have said hundreds of times on these forums before – The DOM that mistreats his slave will be slaveless shortly. We have caught some repercussions from our comments, but we do have thick skin!  It is unfortunate that their remains some who have not learned the lesson we have taught.
 
  As to gatherings and munches – voyeurism does exits there!  Some of us attend these to learn new techniques or perhaps meet new friends.  Some people enjoy large crowds, while others enjoy gatherings with close friends.  There will always be those of us who enjoy the pleasures of our own private dungeon spaces.  ENJOY
 
 Master  LatexHer

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 7:04:38 AM   
Bobkgin


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Status: offline 		Dark, Kirii, Sambamanslilgirl, BeingChewsie, KatyLied:

Thank you for your on-topic contributions.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 7:11:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: http://www.bullyonline.org/related/cyber.htm

"The anger of a serial bully is especially apparent when they come across someone who can see through them to espy the weak, inadequate, immature, dysfunctional aggressive individual behind the mask."

"The objectives of bullies are Power, Control, Domination, Subjugation. They get a kick out of seeing you react. It doesn't matter how you react, the fact they've successful provoked a reaction is, to the bully, a sign that their attempt at control have been successful. After that, it's a question of wearing you down. The more you try to explain, negotiate, conciliate, etc the more gratification they obtain from your increasingly desperate attempts to communicate with them. Understand that it is not possible to communicate in a mature adult manner with a disordered individual who's emotionally retarded."



Bob, what you are is a bully.  And I really wish a moderator was here to remove this horrid piece of hatepost from the board.
I am editing to add, that I do appriciate your thanks - but that doesn't stop my feelings on the subject that you quite clearly have other motives, as well as asking the question.  I do like your posts Bob and on the whole, you do have some good things to contribute, but they are so often lost.

the.dark.

< Message edited by Darcyandthedark -- 10/12/2007 7:16:58 AM >

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 7:11:42 AM   
Bobkgin


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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

You appear to be linking "new and different" with the public scene, Al.

With my wife we were discovering "new and different" on a regular basis without any involvement in the public scene (online or offline).

I can see someone dismissing the public scene as inferior if their tastes are not inclined to that milieu. That is their right to choose the environment that suits them best.

I do not see dismissing their ability to develop their own techniques and activities which might actually be superior to anything in the public scene, but are unknown due to the private nature of the individuals involved.

Perhaps I've misunderstood you.



As always 'Bo'. 

If one has never done public scening, or is relying on gossip, how is the real world experience of others in that area not new and different?
For that matter, even if one has had a sample and didn't care for it, how can the sum of all experiences of others fit into that mold?

Or is it the people who believe in learning from as many sources as possible, and keeping an open mind, who have got it all wrong?



That's the problem with "One True Wayism": there can only be one right way, making every other way "all wrong".

You will find more on this here:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1334729/mpage_16/key_/tm.htm#1342691

Post #305.


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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 7:12:40 AM   
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With my wife we were discovering "new and different" on a regular basis without any involvement in the public scene (online or offline).
Bob, you need to work on keeping your time line straight. With a 10 year marriage and 20 years of internet activity, according to you "exclusive" to your marriage since you didn't have "any involvement in the public scene (online or offline)." the dates don't reconcile. Thirty years ago you must have been working with the internet originator, Nobel laureate, and messiah for global warming, Al Gore.

Thank you for your consistency, Bob.

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 7:14:18 AM   
xoxi


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I sure hope not!  Although to be honest...I have to admit that I've been moving more from the 'hell no that's private' camp to the "well if my man wants to show me off and learn some new shibari skills that's cool...as long as I can keep my clothes on.  Cuz that is for one man's eyes only!"

I know quite a few people in the local BDSM 'scene' and to be honest while they are awesome and wonderful people I prefer to see them outside of that arena.  The scene itself tends to be cliquish and everyone is more about playing their role than being themself.  Having a cup of coffee with them one on one (or two on one LOL) tends to allow for 'real' conversation beyond 'how many doms does it take to change a dildo' and such.

Hope this answered the question...y'know I'm not your biggest fan Bob but I do think discussing your personality is getting a bit old.  Especially since its so easy to criticize the posts themselves!  (just teasing....but I had to say it  )

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RE: Is Public Scening the "One True Way"? - 10/12/2007 7:15:00 AM   
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Gypsygirl, MsWorthy:

Thank you for your contributions.


I find it interesting that you only engage people who are calling you out on you're dodgy op.  If you were truly interested in discussing the issue raised in your op, and learning about the perspectives of others such as myself, who do believe that 'the public scene' is part of their one true way, why don't you engage them? 

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