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The sadistic streak in a submissive or slave typically is of a darker sort than that in a Master or Dominant, it tends to be a break away from the inner nature and an exploration of something that is not part of them, but which they enjoy. Thus it is not subject to the same psychological constraints and awareness than it is for the person to whom it is a natural and integral part of themselves. This can in turn lead to a lack of understanding in the application of pain and suffering, and if sufficient care is not exercised, can more easily result in harm to the "victim".
I'm late to the party and generally don't interject myself into threads that are already pages long. So I apologize if I'm being redundant, but this sounds fascinating and I'd enjoy learning more.
1. Are there any psychological studies that suggest sadism in a submissive/slave tends to be a "breakaway from their inner nature" or that it is any less "natural" than sadism in a Dominant, or sadism in a vanilla, or sadism in a Top, or sadism in a bottom?
2. Are there psychological studies that suggest that those engaged in "breakaway" sadism process the application of pain and suffering differently?
3. Are there any studies (psychological, self reporting, emergency medicine, etc.) that support the suggestion that the manner in which "breakaway" sadism is processed leads to actual increases in the numbers or percentages of "harm" done to a bottom?
4. Are you suggesting that submissives/slaves/bottoms who are also employed as ProDommes pose an increased threat to the safety of the bottoms that utilize their services?
5. If "sufficient care" is not employed, doesn't every Top and/or sadist pose an increased risk of harm to the bottom, regardless of the Top's orientation?
John
I'll address your questions sequentially.
1. Studies? no. books, treatises and papes? yes. Sadism almost invariable involves elements of control and the excitement/intoxication of power. As such it is at once completely contrary to the submissive and slave natures. However, people have more complex makeups and as I touched on in the other thread, there are additional dominant traits that they may possess, hence sadism may not always be completely contradictory, but it need not also be a fundamental.
Let's see these supposed treatises.
2. Yes, although this more in relevance to other psychological traits, it does transfer to the study of sadism/masochism. Innate recognition and empathy for the suffering induced is the enabling mechanism that allows a sadist to "feel the high". This is not the same as the shared commonality of the power/control elements. That is to say, that part of the experience is identical, but the natural sadist experiences and connects at a further level above that of a non-sadist.
Who says so?
3. No, but then, these trends aren't largely documented. This is extrapolation.
extrapolation a/k/a bullshit
4. No, since those that are employed professionally are generally aware of the necessary precautions and do exercise sufficient care in their sessions to ensure the safety of the clients.
also a ridiculous assumption
5. Yes, but the genuine sadist has a stronger natural connection and empathy for the pain being inflicted, and a heightened awareness of the moment to moment state of the subject.
who says so? you think a sadist comes with a mental how to book?
Come on, you got called on saying absolute selfserving egotistical drivel and are now attempting to say it's something other than your own personal generalization and about how Doms are somehow mystically better than subs with a sadistic drive. Just admit it and move on. Congratualtions, you just proved the OP's complaint to a T.
They are called books, you'll find them in the libary. If you've a mind to immerse yourself in the study of human nature and psychology, you'll have to start at the beginning and work your way in.
Research, theory, analysis - these says so. As I said, if you've a mind to know more, all you need to get started is waiting in the libary.
Extrapolation from knowns is a valid and extensively exercised tool, its one of the foundations of most theoretical sciences and is the general motive force behind the formation of hypotheses and the design of experimenation to follow. You can call it bullshit if you like.
Not an assumption, and nor is it ridiculous. I am sure the prodommes would find your comment interesting. I find thes ones of my acquantance very dedicated and careful in their approach and handling of a client - after all, noone wants to do any lasting damage, and more, noone actually wants to get sued either.
How-to? No. And that isn't what I said. A sadist comes with a natural empathetic link for the infliction of suffering and the ability to recognise and respond to it at an instinctual level. This doesn't mean they know HOW to apply pain but it does mean they are more aware of the results, given the same level of additional care and attention.
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