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"Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/25/2007 4:30:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		GAINESVILLE, Fla. - University of Florida police were justified in using a Taser against a student who refused to stop questioning Sen. John Kerry on campus last month, according to a state investigation released Wednesday.

Some had questioned the use of force in using the stun gun against Andrew Meyer, leading to the investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. A summary of the agency’s report was released Wednesday.

“In short, the FDLE determined that our officers acted well within state guidelines,” university President Bernie Machen said in a letter to students, faculty and staff members.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21454383

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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/25/2007 4:33:14 PM   
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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/25/2007 4:38:30 PM   
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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/25/2007 4:44:25 PM   
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Don't tase me, bro = stupidest god damn pop culture reference since the Macarena.

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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/25/2007 4:45:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		You got a Florida state police agency investigating another Florida state police agency. And Im supposed to take that investigation seriously?

This report is a joke. Everyone knows that cops stick up for each other. That's nothing new.

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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/25/2007 7:56:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since I was not around when this first came down, I will comment now...

Tazing can be fatal, just the fact that it can be fatal should suggest that it should not be used with the nonchalance that it often is used with.

Since the advent of so-called "non-lethal" weaponry designed for crowd control, or to subdue those out of "control", the police are more likely to pull out these measures than to try to talk someone down for a minute or two. Police rely on these tactics when they are completely unnecessary... such as any rational person can see on the video this thread references.

Police do not have to even talk to us anymore, they just taze us and let god sort it out, pretty freakin sad and dehumanizing.

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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 12:11:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Since I was not around when this first came down, I will comment now...

Tazing can be fatal, just the fact that it can be fatal should suggest that it should not be used with the nonchalance that it often is used with.

Since the advent of so-called "non-lethal" weaponry designed for crowd control, or to subdue those out of "control", the police are more likely to pull out these measures than to try to talk someone down for a minute or two. Police rely on these tactics when they are completely unnecessary... such as any rational person can see on the video this thread references.

Police do not have to even talk to us anymore, they just taze us and let god sort it out, pretty freakin sad and dehumanizing.


Everytime a cop gets shot, god cheers.

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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 2:36:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CollegeConundrum

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Since I was not around when this first came down, I will comment now...

Tazing can be fatal, just the fact that it can be fatal should suggest that it should not be used with the nonchalance that it often is used with.

Since the advent of so-called "non-lethal" weaponry designed for crowd control, or to subdue those out of "control", the police are more likely to pull out these measures than to try to talk someone down for a minute or two. Police rely on these tactics when they are completely unnecessary... such as any rational person can see on the video this thread references.

Police do not have to even talk to us anymore, they just taze us and let god sort it out, pretty freakin sad and dehumanizing.


Everytime a cop gets shot, god cheers.



And every time he sees a stupid and hateful statement, he weeps.

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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 2:38:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Since I was not around when this first came down, I will comment now...

Tazing can be fatal, just the fact that it can be fatal should suggest that it should not be used with the nonchalance that it often is used with.

Since the advent of so-called "non-lethal" weaponry designed for crowd control, or to subdue those out of "control", the police are more likely to pull out these measures than to try to talk someone down for a minute or two. Police rely on these tactics when they are completely unnecessary... such as any rational person can see on the video this thread references.

Police do not have to even talk to us anymore, they just taze us and let god sort it out, pretty freakin sad and dehumanizing.


Some cops are violent asses, and some are careless, but many do a good job, and use caution. I don't think the guy in this story should have been tasered, but I do think he was a disruptive dipstick that needed to be removed.

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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 2:53:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

You got a Florida state police agency investigating another Florida state police agency. And Im supposed to take that investigation seriously?

This report is a joke. Everyone knows that cops stick up for each other. That's nothing new.



Nooooo...the campus police are not affiliated with the state. At best, they're deputized by the sheriff of whatever county that college is in.

And of course cops stick up for each other, because no one else does. When you're constantly harrassed on all sides no matter what action you take, you're going to instinctively close ranks. The only protection, the only understanding, police officers really get these days are from each other.

When facing such an overwhelmingly hostile public that hates you because of the power you have, and uses your actions as a way to get out of their personal responsibility, their only defense is each other.

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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 4:50:13 AM   
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GAINESVILLE, Fla. - University of Florida police were justified in using a Taser against a student who refused to stop questioning Sen. John Kerry on campus last month, according to a state investigation released Wednesday.

Some had questioned the use of force in using the stun gun against Andrew Meyer, leading to the investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. A summary of the agency’s report was released Wednesday.

“In short, the FDLE determined that our officers acted well within state guidelines,” university President Bernie Machen said in a letter to students, faculty and staff members.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21454383


I saw that too. Man what happened to free speech? As far as I could tell the only thing he was doing was Asking question and or stating his opinons. He wasn't really resisting arrest, not with a dozen cops hauling on him. It also reminds me of another video I saw where a counsil memeber is thrown out of a meeting after challnegeing a limitation that was set on floor time. then a cop drags him out side and beats him, all on camera. This country was in the toilet before but now its going down the tubes.

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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 8:26:36 AM   
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Nooooo...the campus police are not affiliated with the state. At best, they're deputized by the sheriff of whatever county that college is in.


Where did you get that information from? 
As far as I know, county sheriffs have nothing to do with running the state university system.  Part of FDLE's job is certification of all LEOs, including campus police, and they are the oversight agency, making them most likely to conduct an initial investigation..

Federal law did away with the old 'Kampus Kop' model decades ago, so if they aren't POST certified, they are probably campus security, not police.


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And of course cops stick up for each other, because no one else does. When you're constantly harrassed on all sides no matter what action you take, you're going to instinctively close ranks. The only protection, the only understanding, police officers really get these days are from each other.

When facing such an overwhelmingly hostile public that hates you because of the power you have, and uses your actions as a way to get out of their personal responsibility, their only defense is each other.



Cops stick up for each other when it is to their advantage, and they sell each other out the same way... just like anyone else would.

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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 9:48:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CollegeConundrum

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Since I was not around when this first came down, I will comment now...

Tazing can be fatal, just the fact that it can be fatal should suggest that it should not be used with the nonchalance that it often is used with.

Since the advent of so-called "non-lethal" weaponry designed for crowd control, or to subdue those out of "control", the police are more likely to pull out these measures than to try to talk someone down for a minute or two. Police rely on these tactics when they are completely unnecessary... such as any rational person can see on the video this thread references.

Police do not have to even talk to us anymore, they just taze us and let god sort it out, pretty freakin sad and dehumanizing.


Everytime a cop gets shot, god cheers.



My brother in-law is a cop, if you thought I shared that sentiment, you were sadly mistaken.

You give people tools, and you train them with those tools, and you create a culture which it is acceptable to use unnecessary force... Not to mention that if I were a cop I would probably be tempted to use these measures when inappropriate because I would think that it is better to incapacitate an individual rather than take a chance on injuring myself.

What is needed it better training and guidelines with the use of non-lethal weaponry

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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 9:59:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cop bashing isn't novel or even entertaining.  Wishing law enforcement dies or gets shot is ridiculously immature and hateful.  I'm now just pasting and cutting my prior response to similar threads such as this one http://www.collarchat.com/m_1296702/mpage_3/tm.htm.

I'll again say the same thing I've said before.  The fact that there are some bad apples in law enforcement does not mean that they all are.  These guys and gals do a job that most of us wouldn't put up with for a day and the majority of them are comitted to what they do for the benefit of the public.  Unfortunately, the small majority of bad apples are truly asses and give them all a bad name and the media creates an impression that is not at all true about the average law enforcement officer.

For those of you that say I'm full of it, I've also had really bad experiences with law enforcement to the tune of having to swear out a protection order and testify against one, who was eventually fired for it.  That doesn't change my impression of law enforcement overall.

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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 10:11:29 AM   
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What is needed it better training and guidelines with the use of non-lethal weaponry


What we need is a WELL ARMED population, who defend themselves against unlawful assault by officers using lawful, lethal force.



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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 10:13:28 AM   
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I'll again say the same thing I've said before. The fact that there are some bad apples in law enforcement does not mean that they all are.


By tolerating the Bad Cops presence on the force and not forcing them off the force USING ANY MEANS NECESSARY, the Good Cops aren't Good anymore, they're as Bad as any other Bad Cop.

Get back to us when the Good Cops are putting the Bad Cops down. THEN maybe they can earn some respect.




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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 10:18:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I won't get back to you because there's not a damn thing I would ever say to change your opinion and that's pretty clear.

Good cops do report bad cops all the time at their own personal risk.  Is the blue line theory of protecting each other true? Sure, many times it is, but then again, in what profession is it not true?

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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 10:20:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Being a Cop isn't just a PROFESSION. It's a SACRED TRUST between The People and...

An OFFICER OF THE LAW.

Now of the US. Not of the State, but of "The Law".

They are *EXPECTED* to adhere to a stricter set of responsibilities than say, an Auto Mechanic or Psychiatrist.

And when the "Good Cops" TOLERATE a Cover Up, THEY AREN'T GOOD ANYMORE. Like a Virgin, there ain't going back.

Underpinning your statement is the assumption that it's RISKY to out a Bad Cop?

Shouldn't it be RISKY to BE a Bad Cop, instead. You prove my point.

Get back to me when they EARN some respect.



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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 10:23:56 AM   
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RE: "Don't tase me, bro!" revisited - 10/26/2007 10:30:20 AM   
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I'll again say the same thing I've said before.  The fact that there are some bad apples in law enforcement does not mean that they all are.  These guys and gals do a job that most of us wouldn't put up with for a day and the majority of them are comitted to what they do for the benefit of the public.  Unfortunately, the small majority of bad apples are truly asses and give them all a bad name and the media creates an impression that is not at all true about the average law enforcement officer


The problem is not with the cops, it is with the structure under which they work. It is a top down culture. I do not bash cops, but their job is to protect and serve... There needs to be a culture that promotes those goals.

"Bad apple" theories tend to overlook the systematic way in which police are taught to dehumanize those very people they are charged with protecting.

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