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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/28/2007 11:43:02 PM   
Noah


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
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If no one else had responded, your post by itself would have made me very glad for putting mine up. Thanks for the insights and the smiles.

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/28/2007 11:49:21 PM   
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No offense, but I generally don't think a fetish website is going to have the most up-to-date or accurate medicial information. If I get some time and I'm bored, I'll poke through some medical textbooks. Might call one of the family doctors, they get enough strange questions out of me anyway.


No problem. We each take our fapping material where we find it, right?

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/28/2007 11:53:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I could do it, I have broken or had broken many bones by some of my ex's.  Not by my request usually in the heat of the moment.  Its not as fun as it seems initially.  There can be some very serious damage, but my question is why would you want to?  As a Dom/me or Master your duty is to protect and sometimes love the object with which you are playing, why would you want to put that kind of physical trauma.  My Master says he has no reason that he can think of for doing it, and would not likely do it therefore.  I am not here to judge, but to each his own, you must be very careful in that department though.

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/28/2007 11:56:31 PM   
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If my hand is broken, I can not cook - he has to.


He has to?

That is to say: in my house things are neither so simple nor so easy, but rock on with what works for you.


If I can't cook food has to be provided somehow and we don't have the money to order out every night until it heals. Therefore, he cooks or we don't eat. So yes... he would have to.
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If I am not in the dojo, I am not working on my blood pressure and I am not doing one of the things that he finds so attractive about me. If the break goes badly, my movement could be permently impaired - no more martial arts, no swordfighting, no nothing.


Look. I believe that we all should have boundaries. If swordfighting is something you would not willingly risk for your partner, that's your business and I don't think anyone should attack you for that.


My point was less that I am not willing to give it up, but that he is not willing to let me do anything that could cause me to have to, or rather not let us go out of way to do something that could cause me to have to.

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That said, I've seen some impressive martial arts performed from a wheelchair. My brother's elbow break went badly decades ago and to this day he can do things with that arm that normal humans can't. I mean your point is well taken but it was generously overstated.

Yes, some impressive martial arts has preformed from people in wheelchair. I in no way want to diminish that or the abilities of artists who have not had the use of their hands. However, my areas of skill and where I truly excel are kicks and other leg manuevers in martial arts and I am interested in great detail in realism in painting. Very hard to achieve without the use of the hands - not sure if anyone has overcome that. Not to mention lose of hand mobility would remove my ability to partake in one of our very favorite couple-time activities... gaming!

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... and he would be responsible.


Yikes!

Since the entire topic here has been limited to consensual activity, how is it that you would not share in the responsibility? I'm glad you guys have such a great thing going. A predispostion to self-absolve and begin pointing (splintered) fingers after the consensual fact would be a deal-killer for some people.

Given that if the break was that bad it would be because of a mistake or error in judgement he made after demonstrating to me that he had the knowledge to do it correctly, we would consider it his responsibility. Similar to how I can consent to breath-play, but if I die he still bears that responsibility.

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All the best to you both and thanks for taking part in the thread.


Same to you! Always interesting to read other's points of view.

Edited for typos. Which probably means I should go bed...

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/28/2007 11:58:13 PM   
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No offense, but I generally don't think a fetish website is going to have the most up-to-date or accurate medicial information. If I get some time and I'm bored, I'll poke through some medical textbooks. Might call one of the family doctors, they get enough strange questions out of me anyway.


No problem. We each take our fapping material where we find it, right?



Unfortantely, the textbooks don't have a lot of choice fapping material. The pictures of veins and muscles creep me out and sex textbooks just have lots of pictures of STDs from hell...

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 12:11:42 AM   
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And please don't be too distracted as I out myself for my politically incorrect distaste for tattoos. Feel free to find it amusing.


I don't like them either, but the kind of sadism you have is scary in a *bad* way.


You say "scary in a *bad* way" like its a bad thing.

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Hopefully you're joking a bit,


A bit.

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but I've never met someone that likes to watch anyone suffer for any reason.


Well granted it isn't as much fun if it is for some reason.

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That's the psychokiller sadism that I would definitely try to avoid.


Fair enough. I try to avoid making grave medical diagnoses based on jocular comments I find on a message board. But that's just me.

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The kind of situation where in my life a sadistic person would be desired would always put love for me above his sadism, and only do things such as greatly increasing the intensity of the feelings we were having - not desire to see me severely injured.


Hey. I consider a tattoo a grave injury.

Perhaps for you sadomasochism can't happily occur outside of a loving, committed relationship. That happens to be my favorite kind, too. Let's both recall, though. that you and I as well as other people who prefer less emotional intimacy in their kink all manage to fulfill the duties of citizenship.

The ones I like to hang out with are those who manage to do so without casting aspersions of pathological criminality. But hey, once again, that's just me.


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I would hope that a Dom would want to protect his sub more than that. Otherwise, it's just creepy to me.


And I hope your hopes are realized fully and richly for you.

Thank you for responding.

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 12:12:55 AM   
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As for the new thread idea, it's a good idea.  You start it :)


Lazy bitch.

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 12:20:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

As for the new thread idea, it's a good idea.  You start it :)


Lazy bitch.



Bah - Busy bitch!

Perhaps tomorrow.  Busy researching stuff tonight.

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 12:33:58 AM   
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I could do it, I have broken or had broken many bones by some of my ex's.  Not by my request usually in the heat of the moment.  Its not as fun as it seems initially.  There can be some very serious damage, but my question is why would you want to? 


Why would one want to? I don't know.

Why do you like kissing? Or chocolate? Who knows why we like things?

I find that answers offerred for the "why" questions are usually impossible to validate. For that reason I am more interested in other sorts of questions.


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As a Dom/me or Master your duty is to protect and sometimes love the object with which you are playing,


To some people a simple spanking would be an abusive horror directly opposed to one's duty toward one's partner. Other people see spanking differently in the proper setting. The same preinciple applies to edgier activity up to a point. You must decide where that point lies for you.

And yes, I agree with what I think is implied in your comments: that eventually a point is reached where no consent would suffice to validate certain behaviors. It might be that you and some of the other submissives who have posted here disagree on where that further point lies.



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why would you want to put that kind of physical trauma. 


That's the key, isn't it? What kind of physical trauma floats your boat?

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My Master says he has no reason that he can think of for doing it, and would not likely do it therefore.  I am not here to judge, but to each his own, you must be very careful in that department though.


Amen!

Thanks for posting.

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 12:44:28 AM   
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If I can't cook food has to be provided somehow and we don't have the money to order out every night until it heals. Therefore, he cooks or we don't eat. So yes... he would have to.


I like to cook and I think I'm pretty good at it, maybe a little bit better than average in some regards. My #1 subbie/fiance/favorite victim can and does make dining a sensual sacrament. She could unquestionably cook better than I can even with her good hand tied behind her back. So what's a cast?

He hasn't even lumped you up yet and you're milking the damned injury! I'm gonna show uncharacteristic restraint here and not make some crack about how well you've trained him.

Be that as it may (or may not), thanks again for contributing to the thread, A.S., and warm regards to your partner as well.

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 2:02:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I note a bit of sarcasm here, but my answer is nope, this isn't somewhere I would go.  Being functional is too important to my everyday life.
I do however have a small permanent scar from a scene with my first ltr with a Dom that was unintentionally caused and it often reminds me of him with fondness.

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 3:03:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I'm feeling submissive, I occasionally fantasize that a woman is *about* to do something along the lines you've mentioned--break my arm, snap my fingers one by one, kick my ribs until they break. The brutality itself is always censored; I either flash forward to the time when I've learned my lesson and I'm recuperating under her care, or I go back and play out the whole terrifying lead-up scene again in greater detail. What turns me on is the thought of my total obedience after I've been "broken," and to a lesser extent the terror before, rather than the pain itself.

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 3:06:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		about 5 years ago now....i tripped and fell.  broke my left kneecap and my right wrist.  since no one else in the house was able to pitch in, i was up and doing again within 48 hours....because no one else would.  the wrist didnt heal right, the knee didnt either.  when i broke the kneecap the second time, it got fixed correctly.

at the time of the original injury, i was doing all the nursing care for my first Sir, who had just gotten out of the hospital with a foot injury.  i was relieved i could still drive him back and forth to dr visits.

you can do a LOT more than you think you can.  would i let someone deliberately break my bones?  no.  i know my healing time is roughly twice what it should be, and it would not be right for me to agree to something that would take me out of service for that long.

kitten, whose Daddy wouldnt do that anyway

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 5:01:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		this would be an extreme hard limit and also causing my Doms legal problems with the law if they happen to bring me to the hospital to get a cast.  here in IL, hospitals are required to report to the police anything what they see as abuse (even without the woman's consent).

in my line of work (i'm always in the public eye), it would be hard to explain my sudden and overnight bone breakage - that's merely being sadistic to the extreme and definitely not for me.


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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 5:18:42 AM   
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(Did he bust your face for getting that ugly tattoo?)

LMAO He gave me the first tatt

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 5:36:02 AM   
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in my line of work (i'm always in the public eye), it would be hard to explain my sudden and overnight bone breakage


Is this intended to mean that slow breaks developing over weeks would be easier for you to explain?



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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 6:42:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Point blank any one getting off on cutting people up and breaking bones is freakin nuts..

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 7:04:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting post, even if tongue in cheek....

I think it all goes to the fantasy vs. reality aspect. Some things are better left as a fantasies, or better yet, a mind fuck. Due to the circumstances of real life intruding, some things can be too dangerous for your health, both physical and mental.

I was in a situation where I consented to something that was incredibly hot, but resulted in my hospitalization. I wrestled with the questions, Should I keep pushing the envelope and keep trying to it safely since the Dom loved it and so did I? or Do I just keep it as a fond, hot memory and not risk my health?

Believe me, in the situation I was with with the particular person, it was almost impossible to say no when in the zone, but I was terrified that I would end up in the hospital again and have to explain things, which I am not willing to do.

So, I would respond about the breaking of bones, a resounding no, even if it turned me or my partner on.

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 7:22:02 AM   
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Point blank any one getting off on cutting people up and breaking bones is freakin nuts..

You are of course, free to think anything you wish in regards to your own relationships. However, there are those who do find this sort of thing extremely hot, arousing, and well within their own boundaries; it does not make them nuts; it simply makes them different from yourself.

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RE: Breaking a submissive, as such - 10/29/2007 7:22:58 AM   
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Point blank any one getting off on cutting people up and breaking bones is freakin nuts..


That's your opinion and it's your right to have such an opinion, but I disagree with your opinion. I'm not so extreme as to be into getting my bones deliberately broken, but I have seen pics of some truly awesome cuttings, some done in hopes of permanent scarring from it. I don't know how well I'd tolerate it being done to me as I've not tried it, but it's kind of a different way of tattooing in a way and I thoroughly enjoyed getting the 2 of those I have and was floating for days after. One person's squick is another person's kink.

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