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No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 3:57:16 AM   
mydestiny2043


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Status: offline 		Hi I decided to start this thread so that I wouldn't hijack anyone elses.I was talking to a Dominant earlier this evening about No Limits Slavery,And he made the comment that, "I'm just making the point that "no limits" implies that boundaries are expected to be pushed ".I was wondering if that is the general consensus overall with slaves and Masters alike?Any and all opinions appreciated. 

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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 4:36:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is always such an amusing topic, given that there are so many differing descriptions of "no limits" because... well... literally "no limits" cannot be a reality (in a mentally healthy individual).
 
There are:
 
1.  Those who have "no limits" except for the limits of age, death, permanent injury, scat, etc. which are... everyone together now... limits. 
 
2.  Those who have "no limits" except for the limits of their Master, as if sharing mutual limits (anyone ever heard of compatibility?) magically makes their limits cease to exist.
 
3.  Those who have "no limits" but whose Masters would never do that ("that" being whatever they don't want to do) to them.  How would they know that their limits have ceased to exist if their Masters are expected never to "go there"?
 
4.  Those who have "no limits" because they've never been asked to do anything "extreme enough" (see above).
 
5.  Those who have "no limits" and dismiss any potential limits that may exist (ie: death and dismemberment) as "silly" and refuse to answer.
 
6.  Countless other explanations as to why the limits they retain are "not limits".
 
Honestly, the "no limits means limits are to be pushed" explanation is a new one on me.  But I'm not surprised, as new efforts to explain the unexplainable are generated all the time. 
 
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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 4:41:37 AM   
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This is always such an amusing topic, given that there are so many differing descriptions of "no limits" because... well... literally "no limits" cannot be a reality (in a mentally healthy individual).
 
There are:
 
1.  Those who have "no limits" except for the limits of age, death, permanent injury, scat, etc. which are... everyone together now... limits. 
 
2.  Those who have "no limits" except for the limits of their Master, as if sharing mutual limits (anyone ever heard of compatibility?) magically makes their limits cease to exist.
 
3.  Those who have "no limits" but whose Masters would never do that ("that" being whatever they don't want to do) to them.  How would they know that their limits have ceased to exist if their Masters are expected never to "go there"?
 
4.  Those who have "no limits" because they've never been asked to do anything "extreme enough" (see above).
 
5.  Those who have "no limits" and dismiss any potential limits that may exist (ie: death and dismemberment) as "silly" and refuse to answer.
 
6.  Countless other explanations as to why the limits they retain are "not limits".
 
Honestly, the "no limits means limits are to be pushed" explanation is a new one on me.  But I'm not surprised, as new efforts to explain the unexplainable are generated all the time. 
 
John
 
 

I pretty much agree with what Rover has said here. I used to be one who would argue pretty hard in favor of there actually being such a thing as "no limits', but when it really comes right down to it; we all have limits of some kind that are in place and will never be breached.
Now adays, I prefer the explanation that I have the same limits as the person who I have committed to.

I will admit though that this
quote:

"I'm just making the point that "no limits" implies that boundaries are expected to be pushed
is one that I have never heard before. I actually like that explanation.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 4:46:43 AM   
mydestiny2043


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I thank you for your response,I to am of the belief that no one can truly not have no limits,if for none other than self preservation.And that was part of our discussion as well but that statement threw me for I don't believe I've ever seen it brought up in the forums thus far.I could be wrong though and I'm sure if that's the case LA will be posting me some links*smiles*.I dunno for some reason his statement has stuck in my mind!Thanks again for your response.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 5:11:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		A boundary is a limit by definition.  If there are no limits, where are the boundaries to be pushed?

Limits are the reality of life.


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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 5:39:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		yeah that was my response too CL, what are you pushing is there's "no limits", why the limits of course.....????

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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 5:47:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		When someone says they are a no limits slave I automatically ask them, " Oh so if your Master wanted to kill you youd stand there or stay there and let him do so"?  Anyone with a half a brain cell would say no I wouldnt let him do that. Thats because we are self preservationist creatures and thus a no limits slave has a limit.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 5:50:23 AM   
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When someone says they are a no limits slave I automatically ask them, " Oh so if your Master wanted to kill you youd stand there or stay there and let him do so"?  Anyone with a half a brain cell would say no I wouldnt let him do that. Thats because we are self preservationist creatures and thus a no limits slave has a limit.


Haha well prepare for the absurd then.  There are a few here, suprisingly that will tell you that death is not a limit for them.  I hope we're not going to have this debate again. 

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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 5:57:51 AM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_1350122/mpage_1/tm.htm
 
No limits: how far would you go?
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1279529/mpage_1/tm.htm
 
No limit slaves
http://www.collarchat.com/m_305935/mpage_1/tm.htm


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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 6:05:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: wisteriaV

When someone says they are a no limits slave I automatically ask them, " Oh so if your Master wanted to kill you youd stand there or stay there and let him do so"?  Anyone with a half a brain cell would say no I wouldnt let him do that. Thats because we are self preservationist creatures and thus a no limits slave has a limit.


Haha well prepare for the absurd then.  There are a few here, suprisingly that will tell you that death is not a limit for them.  I hope we're not going to have this debate again. 


death would make it really hard for me to serve Daddy, in any capacity...so i'm hoping thats a limit for him...


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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 6:13:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		No limits to me just means that you're compatible, that you like the same things and dislike the same things. That you're smart enough to talk things out ahead and you picked someone who won't demand you break your moral and ethical boundaries and who cares enough about you not to do you any harm.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 6:17:43 AM   
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It's Monday so it must be time to talk about no limits again.

i honestly believe this subject comes up because there are so many submissives/slaves who have an entire litany on their profiles of what they will not do when perhaps they really mean that those are things that don't turn them on... and i can imagine a Dominant could easily get weary of the "i want to submit fully only if it's exactly what i want and as long as i am totally in control at all times, dammit" responses they get. 

i would rather talk of limitations than limits.  For example, i can choose to drive faster than the speed limit but my car has a limitation on how fast it can go.  Big difference in my opinion.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 6:34:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I accepted Masters collar and when started a TPE relationship I took his limits as mine. We have alot of the same interests and dislikes. So I still have limits they are just his that I adopted.

Like has been said what boundary are you pushing if there is none? Seems a little oxymoronic to me to say your are pushing a boundary that supposedly isn't there. Just my 2 cents.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 6:44:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		i believe in living a life based on "limitless" possibilities.  i don't put limits on myself, on my what my Master chooses to do with me or, on my relationship and where it can and can't go.  i don't set boundaries, i respect other the boundaries that other people have but, i let life take me as far as it can take me and as far as i can go.  There are things that i have done that i never would have dreamed were possible.  If i can't even imagine it, how can i say, "i will never do that."?
 
That's not to say that the whole world can have their way with me.  So, for all those who are looking to say, "Ah, ha!  See, you do have limits!"  i say, "Yeah, no shit!  i'm not a total lunatic."  Everything is relative and, everything needs to be viewed and taken within a certain perspective.  Just like i am a masochist but, that doesn't mean that everyone in the world can slap me around.  And, just like i am a cock-sucker but, i don't suck every dick that comes along.  And, just like i am submissive but, i don't submit to everyone.  And, just like i am a mommy but, i don't suckle every baby in the world.  So, within my life and within my intimate relationship, i live it without putting limits on myself, my Master or, my relationship.  And, that's just one more reason why i don't get involved with anyone who i don't know well enough to trust with my life.
 
Now, this is just the way i view the idea of 'limits'.  If this is not the way someone else views limits, then it's doubtful that we will agree on this issue.  As with most everything, there are lots of different perspectives on this topic and, i'm not trying to 'sell' my perspective to anyone.  This is just how i look at it.
 
Edited to add:  Oh, and by the way, this way of living my life with limitless possibilities isn't anything new and it isn't only with respect to a BDSM lifestyle.  Many great people, throughout history have lived their life with this same attitude and great things came of it.

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ORIGINAL: mydestiny2043

Hi I decided to start this thread so that I wouldn't hijack anyone elses.I was talking to a Dominant earlier this evening about No Limits Slavery,And he made the comment that, "I'm just making the point that "no limits" implies that boundaries are expected to be pushed ".I was wondering if that is the general consensus overall with slaves and Masters alike?Any and all opinions appreciated. 


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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 6:45:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

A boundary is a limit by definition.  If there are no limits, where are the boundaries to be pushed?

Limits are the reality of life.  Indeed so.  Pure theory suggests that there are indeed 'no limit' individuals born.  Human history and common sense would suggest that they are a rare aboration, with a decidedly short life expectancy.


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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 7:08:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		greetings mydestiny,

i know a lot of people always say, "read the places where we've discussed this already," and i know that gets annoying, and i know some of the fun of being here is talking about the same things over again, or in different ways...but seriously, this is really one of those issues where you DO need to read the recent topics, because the posting pattern on this is getting so predictable and we're essentially all going to be repeating ourselves word-for-word. i for one don't have the stamina to do it again.

the funny thing is, before i came to this website i never thought of myself as a "no limits slave." i was just a slave. the idea of being "no limits" sprung up from within the context of how other people describe the kind of relationship that i have (or the kind of relationship they think i make up in my absurdity). to me, this is the reality of slavery; i would not want to be a slave in a long term, committed relationship, where i set boundaries and retain control. it just is not fulfilling to me (and yes, my previous relationship was like that, so i'm not talking completely out of my ass here). i will reiterate what joy and others have said...to me, not having limits means that i do not set boundaries or limits within the relationship. it doesn't mean that i am superhuman, it just means that i don't consider my physical or psychological limitations to be boundaries or that i require that he doesn't overstep them. i also don't say it in the context of "he would never do that" or "his limits are my limits," because his limits are NOT my limits and he HAS done things that overwhelm my physical and psychological limitations.

this is what is right for me in my relationship. i don't try to sell, as joy said, my way of doing things to anyone else. i don't pass judgment that other relationships are wrong because they do things differently. but this is how i choose to live my life. i'm not interested in defending it or discussing it in the sense that what is said here won't change how i choose to live my life and i really don't care who thinks it's right, wrong, or absurd, but if you are interested in hearing my experiences/opinions, feel free to read my other posts on the subject or message me on the other side.

respectfully and as concisely as possible.
annabelle.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 7:25:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think in some cases it is better to talk about who sets the limits. As Rover says, in many cases it is not about no limits, but about the dominant setting the limits in the relationship instead of the submissive or slave. In my case that's pretty much what happens. I set the limits. Either by my inability to do certain things, or my unwillingness to do certain things. And in some cases I set a limit, because I feel that crossing a certain line would not be good for my slave.

I am for example, unwilling to do permanent physical damage, even though such things are part of my kinks. I rather keep them as fantasies, my girl in good shape, and myself out of prison. :) Neither do I wish to cause lasting mental damage. It ruins the trust she has in me, and makes her dysfunctional. Not at all what I require in a good slave. I value my slave and she has many, many years of servitude left in her. It would not do good to ruin that by breaking her. Especially as I can get all that I want with a little patience.

We do, actually, have negotiated limits. She has acknowledged that she would probably not stop me from crossing those and that she trusts me to make the judgements better than she trusts herself. It is a heavy burden and responsibility that I willingly bear. The only actual thing that keeps me from crossing those limits is my will not to do so. Mainly because I believe crossing them would be wrong, stupid, and counter productive.

So back to the original poster's question. I enjoy pushing boundaries of a submissive or a slave. It is part of my kink, so for me it does imply that. I doubt I would ever be happy with anybody who was not willing to venture outside their comfort zone. As for others, I cannot speak.

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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 8:40:22 AM   
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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 10:35:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mydestiny2043

Hi I decided to start this thread so that I wouldn't hijack anyone elses.I was talking to a Dominant earlier this evening about No Limits Slavery,And he made the comment that, "I'm just making the point that "no limits" implies that boundaries are expected to be pushed ".I was wondering if that is the general consensus overall with slaves and Masters alike?Any and all opinions appreciated. 


at the last No Limits convention this slave distinctly remembers that it was voted on...here's the results:
 
on even years "No Limits Slavery" will be ridiculed and chainsaw references or ritual sacrifice and dismemberment of family members will be required every time it is brought up.
on odd years it will be defended and folks will encourage others not to ridicule the lifestyles, choices, and words folks use to describe their relationship or dynamic.(romantic or literal)
four weeks in the summer and two weeks in the winter, those without limits will be forced to endure endless accusations of mental deficiency, thereby negating their "right" to enter into a consensual relationship of any kind.
 
seriously, though...the only general consensus this slave has witnessed is that if you need to set limits and safewords with any specific person, relationship or activities within the relationship, in order to be fulfilled, or in a relationship, go for it!!!!!!  many will support you in your endeavor and good luck!

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RE: No Limits slavery - 10/29/2007 1:58:03 PM   
mydestiny2043


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Status: offline 		Hi IrishMist thanks for your response.

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