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ORIGINAL: tulitukka

I used to think I shouldn't discriminate based on what people look like. Then I grew up and realized that I do and it's not something I can change. If I'm going to be doing something that is extremely sexual to me, I need to be attracted to that person. I seem to be incapable of being attracted to males (including their looks), so I don't consider them as potential mates. Similarly, some women attract me, some don't.

Part of accepting my dom side was that I accepted that not everybody attracts me. Looks matter and that's the end of story. Scent matters too. Intelligence also matters. It's not a question of either or, but just a question of compatibility. How much compatibility you want, depends on how good your life is without a partner and how much having a partner disturbs the other good things in your life.

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ORIGINAL: MasterLDesade

The only "  pulchritude " i look for in s Sub / slave is " Submission " for in their submission is a key to changing their physical appearance . You see a Pretty , beautiful sub / slave with no true submission cannot change but the ugly overweight sub/ slave that possesses "

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True Submission " will and can change these factors for they are beautiful inside in their submission , to  Me ! and being Trained the way i am in Psych. in B.D.S.M i am able to pick and then mold the individual after my observation and with and if they need medical consultation to complimentary run at the same time as my other Intervention's that are in place then that is " My Duty Of Care " and i have succeeded in " Due Diligence " in my care of any sub / slave in my stable be that commercial or non-commercial .

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ORIGINAL: wisteriaV
pussy lips get wrinkly

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ORIGINAL: MasterLDesade

The mind boggles over both of Rovers and Madforeskin's insecurity's , lads i invite you to look at my profile and at the series of photo's that pertain to the renovation's just completed and our properties which are in the heart of Sydney , this is what you can achieve if you apply B.D.S.M Mastery to real life and the fruits of labor's are sweet unlike your bilious comments , so the pair of you can sit in cyber space play with your word's for that is all they are word's from disgruntled jealous players in cyber space , not my space which is in reality and i have the gumption to put my real pic's up profile wise ( even the maid ) so all can see i have nothing to hide

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

*stepping lightly onto the floor*

I think the level of values of physical beauty are about the same in kink as they are vanilla.  They are pretty much taught socially as we grow, and innately we each have our preferences.

However, I think the scene in general has a much lower level of average "physical beauty" then the general vanilla world.

I think this is in part due to the fact that the current scene is mostly older people.  This can and is changing as more younger people join in, but it will take a few generations more.

And in part due to the fact that classic generally beautiful people tend to manage to find partners and accept their lives with a lot more ease and lack of insecurity- so they don't NEED to find an alternative scene and are usually too busy to get into one.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


However, I think the scene in general has a much lower level of average "physical beauty" then the general vanilla world.

I think this is in part due to the fact that the current scene is mostly older people.  This can and is changing as more younger people join in, but it will take a few generations more.

And in part due to the fact that classic generally beautiful people tend to manage to find partners and accept their lives with a lot more ease and lack of insecurity- so they don't NEED to find an alternative scene and are usually too busy to get into one.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


However, I think the scene in general has a much lower level of average "physical beauty" then the general vanilla world.

I think this is in part due to the fact that the current scene is mostly older people.  This can and is changing as more younger people join in, but it will take a few generations more.

And in part due to the fact that classic generally beautiful people tend to manage to find partners and accept their lives with a lot more ease and lack of insecurity- so they don't NEED to find an alternative scene and are usually too busy to get into one.

Frankly, I am surprised that you think this, LA. It might be true for some, but to make that kind of generality is amazing. I find both classically beautiful people and average and below average people (which again, is a subjective thing) in vanilla and kink life, have the same issues of meeting compatible partners.

The only difference I have found is access: you have a wider pool to choose a mate from in the vanilla world, that is it.

But assuming that less attractive people "need" to seek out alternative lifestyles due to insecurity issues instead of actually being "wired" for the alternative lifestyle, is just too much of a stretch, in my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


However, I think the scene in general has a much lower level of average "physical beauty" then the general vanilla world.

I think this is in part due to the fact that the current scene is mostly older people.  This can and is changing as more younger people join in, but it will take a few generations more.

And in part due to the fact that classic generally beautiful people tend to manage to find partners and accept their lives with a lot more ease and lack of insecurity- so they don't NEED to find an alternative scene and are usually too busy to get into one.

Frankly, I am surprised that you think this, LA. It might be true for some, but to make that kind of generality is amazing. I find both classically beautiful people and average and below average people (which again, is a subjective thing) in vanilla and kink life, have the same issues of meeting compatible partners.

The only difference I have found is access: you have a wider pool to choose a mate from in the vanilla world, that is it.

But assuming that less attractive people "need" to seek out alternative lifestyles due to insecurity issues instead of actually being "wired" for the alternative lifestyle, is just too much of a stretch, in my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


However, I think the scene in general has a much lower level of average "physical beauty" then the general vanilla world.

I think this is in part due to the fact that the current scene is mostly older people.  This can and is changing as more younger people join in, but it will take a few generations more.

And in part due to the fact that classic generally beautiful people tend to manage to find partners and accept their lives with a lot more ease and lack of insecurity- so they don't NEED to find an alternative scene and are usually too busy to get into one.

Frankly, I am surprised that you think this, LA. It might be true for some, but to make that kind of generality is amazing. I find both classically beautiful people and average and below average people (which again, is a subjective thing) in vanilla and kink life, have the same issues of meeting compatible partners.

The only difference I have found is access: you have a wider pool to choose a mate from in the vanilla world, that is it.

But assuming that less attractive people "need" to seek out alternative lifestyles due to insecurity issues instead of actually being "wired" for the alternative lifestyle, is just too much of a stretch, in my opinion.

I tend to agree with L.A's generalization as cynical and subject to error as this will be.

I have met more than a few female submissives and slaves who clearly used their "submission" as a way to find acceptance and as a personal crutch for their own neurotic insecurities. On observation, they were more interested in being sexual bottoms and finding a Service Top for a dominant than actually submitting.

On the opposite end, its all too easy for a guy with an unsuccessful sexual and dating life to enter the Scene, learn how to use a few toys, and have a small list of insecure female bottoms and submissives looking for attention and acceptance to play with.

Its my opinion that there is quite of a few people who fit these descriptors and while I won't go as far to call them a majority, they certainly do exist from what I have seen.

Of course, this is just my cynical and negative opinion from my own observations. Harsh judgement? Yep as much as I don't like it, but it was brought up. Flame away!

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ORIGINAL: daddyncherry

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1



Once and for all: looks matter to everyone, sorry, but it is true. At least initially. You can protest all you want, but the first attraction in a chemical way is physical. After that, you need everything else.

But you could be the most Dominant, intelligent, greatest guy in the world but if I cannot even fathom kissing you or touching you, not going to happen and vice versa.

This is true looks matter initially, but there have been guys that i have "come around" to, who weren't really what i wanted looks wise, but then something clicked....Maybe their voice, their smile....something that just made me see something that i wouldn't have seen at first glance....Something that made me think i wouldn't want to be with them, or kiss them (to use your example) and then all of the sudden i can't stop thinking of them...because they have "IT"....whatever "IT" is.

On the flip side there are a ton of guys who may look physically pleasing but who are actually rat bastards, one i had in particular looked like a damn greek god and he was the absolute worst of the entire bunch (psycho).

There are so many things that go into attraction, some that are on a level that we don't even realize. Alot of what goes into making us attracted to another is on a subconcisous level.