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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/18/2007 4:26:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		For a minute set aside whether it is a deterrent but think of it this way;

There are a lot of statistics out there… the following are just a few of many differing in amounts but representitive .

The average time incarcerated for 2nd degree murder in the US is a little over 10 years before parole.
The average time incarcerated for 1st degree murder in the US is a little over 17 years before parole.

A percentage of those convicted of murder commit murder again once released!!!

Another percentage commit murder or other violent crime while imprisoned.

Considering 24 percent of federal prisoners or incarcerated for murder this means more than a few murders could be prevented by just enforcing the death penalty.

If my love one were murdered I would not want my taxes feeding them for a life of imprisonment.

I’m all for capital punishment…. They do not deserve to live.

Yes some will say…but the innocent may die too…. I agree there should be strict controls on when the death penalty can be used.

There are many murders where there is truly no doubt… no chance of innocents… Kill them!!!
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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/18/2007 5:31:43 PM   
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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/18/2007 9:18:36 PM   
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Calif hasn't executed anyone for decades.

California has executed nine people in the last decade, the most recent being in January of 2006.

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/18/2007 10:40:57 PM   
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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/18/2007 11:09:42 PM   
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Calif hasn't executed anyone for decades.

California has executed nine people in the last decade, the most recent being in January of 2006.

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Only 9?
They better get busy then.

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/18/2007 11:24:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Surpreme Court is going to review the death penalty next year. Inmates in Kentucky are claiming lethal injection is unconstitutional. Florida like always cant get anything right. They botched an execution last year and an inmate took over a half-hour to die by lethal injection because the medical staff inserted the needle wrong. So now there is a chance the Supreme Court may ban the whole thing. SCOTUS has already halted all executions indefinetly until they rule on the Kentucky case.

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/18/2007 11:26:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Basically, I'm almost sure that that is complete crap. Economists shouldn't get involved in such obviously flawed studies. The truth is, crime has always been signficantly higher in states who enforce the death penalty, period. And murders alone, as well. It doesn't help, it harms. If it honestly saved lives, I would probably have to completely change my views on it. As of now, I'm sticking with my stance against it, to protect life. If really they could prove it saves so many lives per execution, I would probably think it was justified too. But from everything I've read, the case is opposite. Though I am curious if some how the information I have is flawed or if things are changing, and I will have to continue to look into this.


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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/18/2007 11:56:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Absolutely not.  The vast majority of murders are committed in a moment of intense passion.  These people aren't stopping to think about the consequences of what they are doing.  If they were, then the prospect of spending a significant number of years in prison would be deterent enough.  Those who commit premeditated murder do so beleiving that they will will get away with it, so the prospective penalty really doesn't matter.  If the death penalty were a deterent, then this country would have a significantly lower murder rate than countries without the death penalty, and that certainly is not the case.

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/19/2007 1:00:22 AM   
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Judicial murder just makes murderers out of all of us and the number of miscarriages of justice are not insignificant either.

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/19/2007 3:06:45 AM   
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Here is a good example of why the death penalty is justified.  I don't really care if it deters people from comitting murder.  We do not allow people to go around avenging the deaths of their family and friends.  We make laws and entrust government agencies to do that for us.  When some sub-human, piece of garbage like the two men in this video commit crimes with a total disregard for human life, then they deserve to die. 

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/19/2007 6:08:29 AM   
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It actually costs considerably more to execute a person than it would to incarcerate them for life.
 
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108
 
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It wouldn't cost more if the sentence was carried out within 3 years.

If they would change the system where a prosecutor had to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, give the perpetrator two appeals in a three year period, and then carry out the sentence, it would deter most premeditated murders.

You can't stop the people who kill in the heat of the moment.


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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/19/2007 8:26:36 AM   
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Percent of adults under correctional supervision by race, 1986-97                         
Percent of U.S. population in racial group under correctional supervision
   
Year     White     Black     Other
1986     1.4%     5.7%     0.6%
1987     1.4%     6.2%     0.6%
1988     1.5%     6.6%     0.7%
1989     1.6%     7.3%     0.7%
1990     1.7%     7.6%     0.7%
1991     1.7%     8.0%     0.7%
1992     1.8%     8.5%     0.7%
1993     1.8%     9.0%     0.8%
1994     1.9%     8.9%     0.8%
1995     2.0%     8.8%     1.1%
1996     2.0%     8.9%     1.2%
1997     2.0%     9.0%     1.3%

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/19/2007 8:43:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Real I could be wrong but I still believe it is more an economical situation now rather than a racial one. I wish they would list crime according to economical standing and see how they match.
I am not discounting racism… I do think that racism contributes to the overall economical standing of African Americans... or any minority group for that matter. But direct racism in the justice system is in the past… but the ability to afford good council directly affects the severity of sentencing and convictions.
Desperate disenfranchised people with few options commit more crime… or that is my belief.

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/19/2007 12:00:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		my aunt was murdered by 2 16 year old kids....one white, one black.  and yeah, id love to know they were no longer stealin oxygen from this earth....but georgia says no to the death penalty for children.

wtfe.....they both got 2 life sentences.  i hope they have a cellmate named big dong bubba and he loves it 20 times a day.....and just hates the way any kind of lube changes the sensations of a good butt fucking.....

but then im a bit of a grouch some days.

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/19/2007 12:07:38 PM   
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I know it’s not a popular thing to say but I have to say it in response to that.

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/19/2007 2:03:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		i dont want vigilante justice....they confessed, even went to school and bragged about it.....i think the state should kill em for us.....

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/19/2007 2:20:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		The death penalty has never and will never stop people from committing murder.  When someone is ready to take another human life, in that state of mind, they are way too out of it to even think about the aftermath.  I am so glad I live in Canada, where we will never see that form of punishment again.  If we did I would spend my life fighting it. There are many reasons that I am opposed to it. I think that too many people are put to death and then found to be innocent. If that happens once it is too many times, and it has happened alot more than once. Most people that are put to death and then found innocent are poor and can not afford proper legal help. It can happen easily, watch The Life Of David Gale and you will see that. Once you take someone's life you can not give it back if you find new reason to believe that they were not guilty. At least if they are in prison you can always release and compensate them. Also it cost alot more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for the rest of their lives. And let's be honest here, it is not always a jury of your peers. I also feel that we can not make the point that killing is wrong, by killing people. That just does not make any sense. To kill someone b/c you are mentally ill, or in the heat of the moment or whatever other harsh reason, you do not collect your paycheck for doing it, in my opinion those are the souls that will really be tourmented, the ones who kill in the name of the law. Now all those are good points, but there is one more reason that I feel this way, this is the biggest and by far the most important reason, and this is the one that always keeps me thinking about it. When someone is murdered there suffering is over, it is their parents, spouses, children, siblings, and other loved ones that are now suffering, they are now the victims. By executing someone all we are really doing is creating another set of victims, it will not bring the first victim back, so it does not help to make more. If someone I loved committed a horrible crime, that would be hard enough for me, then to have to mourn them too. Why have two families suffering? I feel that we are a more humane country b/c we do not have it.
 
Some stats:
 
Most Executions carried out in 2005

1. China (At least 1,770 Executions)
2. Iran (At least 94)
3. Saudi Arabia (At least 86)
4. United States (60)
5. Pakistan (31)
6. Yemen (24)
7. Vietnam (21)
8. Jordan (11)
9. Mongolia (8)
10. Singapore (6) 

~The most common form is Lethal Injection, followed by electrocution, lethal gas, hanging, and finally firing squad
~ Among persons for whom arrest information was available, the average age at time of arrest was 28; 2% of inmates were age 17 or younger at the time of arrest.
~ At yearend 2004, the youngest inmate under sentence of death was 18; the oldest was 89. 
 

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/19/2007 4:30:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I have a different point of view. Killing is not always murder. Killers and rapists need to be put out of our misery. Excised like a cancerous tumor, which is what they are.

The only thing I have against the death penalty is the involvement of government and it's potential for abuse. If applied properly it is a very effective cure for this problem. We have to get this idea of human life being penultimate in importance out of our head when we deal with these criminals who do not have this respect for human life. A rapist is the same way. Who the fuck rapes somebody ? What kind of animal. Notice I did not say person.

A human being respects the lives of others and their well being. When an organism that looks like a human proves themselves to be sub-human, whack them. They are not human.

If you have a cancerous tumor in your body, do you respect it's life ? If you have an infection in your body do you wrestle with the microorganisms' right to life ?

We need to think of the human race as one body, and some of the cells of that body are defective. You proscribe a respect for human life and all that entails, then pervert it saying that we should not execute any organisms, no matter what they have done. This is bullshit.

Rapists and murderers should be executed. That is it. In time there will be no rapists and murderers. We have to help ourselves, to start evaluating just who we are calling human. Organisms that would kill you for a pair of tennis shoes or the money in your pocket, or think that a Woman exists purely to service their morbid sexual appetite, whether they know them or not, are simply not human.

And that is fact as I see it.

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/19/2007 4:35:49 PM   
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The death penalty has a 100% deterance rate for repeat offenders.

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RE: Does the Death Penalty Deter Murders? - 11/19/2007 6:00:25 PM   
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Please follow along with the statistics below

The FBI says there were 17,034 murders in The United States in 2006… the average time served for murder before parole is between 10 and 17 years. Just as a guess I would say it is safe to say at least 10,000 of those will live to be paroled.

The FBI says .2 percent will be convicted of murder again… if my math is right that is about 200 more murder victims.

Now if those murders were executed 200 lives would be saved… so to say capital punishment has no effect on murder rates is wrong....I just hope one of those 200 aren’t someone you love. 

Lets be conservative and say only 3000 murders had irrefutable evidence… that would still save 60 lives… not insignificant considering that is only ONE years worth of murders.
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