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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/22/2007 6:34:08 AM   
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i believe in the simple statement of Jesus, who said "It is not God's will that any should be lost."  i believe that it's not religion or any human to determine who is going to hell.  i believe that in the end, no one will be in hell because that's not God's will that any be lost.  How God goes about saving souls is not up to me to know or understand but it conforts me to know that God's will is law and will be done dispite our actions and belief to the contrary (Jesus also pointed to the lesson of Jonah who did everything he could to twart the will of God).  The lesson of Jonah also shows Who is in charge.

The most abundant chemical substance on Earth is water.  The unique properties of water is the whole explaination of the Trinity.  Water is the only substance that exists naturally in three states, solid, liquid, and gas.  Water will dissolve more substances than any other yet maintains its unique chemical properties.  The whole nature of God can be seen in water.

Personally i believe what the ancient (probably more ancient than Judism) religion of the Yoruba who state that all the world's religions hold a piece of the Truth and only through world unity will all the Truth be revealed.


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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/22/2007 6:50:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am Christian.  Baptist by faith.  I was a member of a Pentecostal church recently and loved it.
I have no clue as to what you are referring to as One, but the church I went to was into spiritual healing which I really miss back at the Baptist Church.
Christianity believes in the trinity. 
I left the Pentecostal church when the pastor continully said he was the head of the church.  We know that is not true in any church.
My advice is just to enjoy the open worship of the Pentecostal church, and not worry about the little things that don't really matter.

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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/22/2007 6:53:24 AM   
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i've had the same 'free will" discussion with my mother and i would hesitate to disagree entirely.  my interpretation of the lesson of Jonah is that God's will prevails even against our "free" will. 


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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/22/2007 7:11:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub

i am Catholic, and have been at odds with so many Church activities/theisms i thought i'd look into converting to Judaism.  i never pursued it (as yet) for health reasons but i miss having a place of worship.
 
the.dark., you are so knowledgable and helpful.  i love your posts.
 
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I am also Catholic.  I believe in the Holy Trinity firmly.  I have a close friend that was born and raised Catholic and then a year ago converted to Muslim.  That rather confused Me, how is it that someone can believe one thing, and then change their mind?  I would like to ask you the same question.  Judaism is so much different than Catholic, how is it that you can change your mind about Jesus, and many other things.  Just for the record, I dont have problems with anyones faith, to each their own, I just dont understand how you can believe something and then change your mind.  When push comes to shove I am Catholic, period, there may be things that I dont agree with, but overall, that is what I believe.

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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/22/2007 7:35:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are so many things that are debated in Christianity.  Freewill, preordination, the nature of God and how we should worship Him.  

In Christianity it all boils down to whether you believe Jesus died to atone for your sins. 

This isn't directed at eyesopened but in general...I do think those that spend their life ignoring God and what he wants will not be likely to end up in heaven.  Whether that is an act of freewill or simply that God did not preordain them to accept belief in Him is not something any of us here will ever know for sure.

As for Jonah it appears that he had enough of a relationship with God already in place that God spoke to him.   God let him know that ignoring his will was not acceptable.   We do see other places where God firmly puts his hand on someone and gets their attention as was the case with Paul. 


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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/22/2007 7:36:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pinksugarsub

i am Catholic, and have been at odds with so many Church activities/theisms i thought i'd look into converting to Judaism.  i never pursued it (as yet) for health reasons but i miss having a place of worship.
 
the.dark., you are so knowledgable and helpful.  i love your posts.
 
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I am also Catholic.  I believe in the Holy Trinity firmly.  I have a close friend that was born and raised Catholic and then a year ago converted to Muslim.  That rather confused Me, how is it that someone can believe one thing, and then change their mind?  I would like to ask you the same question.  Judaism is so much different than Catholic, how is it that you can change your mind about Jesus, and many other things.  Just for the record, I dont have problems with anyones faith, to each their own, I just dont understand how you can believe something and then change your mind.  When push comes to shove I am Catholic, period, there may be things that I dont agree with, but overall, that is what I believe.


Not that I place any faith in the ability of pinksugarsub to make a sound decision, but the reality for many people they didn't choose their faith. It was force fed to them and they are unable or more likely unwilling to see the flaws and hold their religion up to any type of litmus test. 

It takes a fairly big brain to be able to question ones own faith. Most folks are simply so locked in and have bought into the whole kit and caboodle that was force fed to them from their youth.  If you want to learn about intolerance then read the Bible it is chocked full of the shit....Jesus was a pretty damn cool dude, his Pa I probably could do without.  The guy (God...Pa of the "J" man) is probably one of the more intolerant, full of himself A-holes I have ever read about...Would have made a great Dom.

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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/22/2007 10:37:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		wow, alot of different beliefes here, which is great, i was raised in a United Pentecostal Church , and ive left my church becuase of some very uncool things going on, im still looking for a new church family, although my mother is still very tied to her (formerly our) home church.
i met my husband in that church and we grew up as good friends, until one day we startd talking again and after a long time away from eachother, and he says within the hour or so we talked he knew why he had been brough to church that morning, and within the next day or so he knew he was in love with me.
i love my church but not what it has become.

imiss how it used to be so warm and friendly, and now i get sad because i feel so out of place and unwelcome there, aside from my very close friends there i am generally shunned for the way i dress (still modestly just not liek everyone else) or how i look (i have my lip pierced with a small captive bead ring, which is important to me) or i am not taken seriously because i am a midget, and am though to be much younger then i am.
im seriously questioning things and instead of helping me when ive asked or sought counsil, ive been turned away. god, this has turned into somethign i may regret posting sometime later on, but i needed to share.

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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/22/2007 11:42:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		hobbitsub...I'm glad you posted about your problems with your church.  I think the thing that many Christians forget about is the "love one another" thing. 

We seem to be good at having our own beliefs and being sure that our particular denomination is right..or maybe not if we have doubts about some of their beliefs. 

Find a loving church where people aren't so critical.  Its not how we dress or if we have a tattoo or piercing that makes us believers, its belief.  Only we know where we are with that.  Its not up to someone else to decide for God whether we are saved or not.

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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/22/2007 8:29:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay everybody let's talk about the Jews.

Let's not get confused with being Jewish by herritage and being Jewish by Religion.
After all, there are Jews in the world who are athiest, christian, hindu, muslim, etc... Also, there are many people with no lineage to the Jewish Heritage but practice Judism wich make them Jewish by religion.

Either way, the Heritage Jews of the 144,000 may not all be practicing Judism. They may have converted to or raised in Christianity or some other belief. So let's realize that not all Jews are Jewish. 

If the story/prediction of the 144,000 really happens, what a twisted turn of fate it would be to realize that one of us may be one of them. It can be a little difficult to track an ancestor back to 2000 and 2500 B.C.

With all the battles, wars, and seperation, we may never know what the odds are that all of us may have a dormid Jewish gene in us.

Ofcourse, some people pull more than just shit out there ass:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~bible/

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/messianic_judaism/110404

http://www.goneglobal35.com/adamandeve.html

http://www.geocities.com/7life/gen.html



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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/22/2007 9:23:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sharainks

hobbitsub...I'm glad you posted about your problems with your church.  I think the thing that many Christians forget about is the "love one another" thing. 

We seem to be good at having our own beliefs and being sure that our particular denomination is right..or maybe not if we have doubts about some of their beliefs. 

Find a loving church where people aren't so critical.  Its not how we dress or if we have a tattoo or piercing that makes us believers, its belief.  Only we know where we are with that.  Its not up to someone else to decide for God whether we are saved or not.


yea, thats one thing my church was lacking, they forget that one little detail.

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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/23/2007 2:33:32 AM   
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There are so many things that are debated in Christianity.  Freewill, preordination, the nature of God and how we should worship Him.  

In Christianity it all boils down to whether you believe Jesus died to atone for your sins. 

This isn't directed at eyesopened but in general...I do think those that spend their life ignoring God and what he wants will not be likely to end up in heaven.  Whether that is an act of freewill or simply that God did not preordain them to accept belief in Him is not something any of us here will ever know for sure.

As for Jonah it appears that he had enough of a relationship with God already in place that God spoke to him.   God let him know that ignoring his will was not acceptable.   We do see other places where God firmly puts his hand on someone and gets their attention as was the case with Paul. 



Each person's relationship with their God is unique and wonderful.  Truth is found in the oddest places sometimes.  i am reminded often of a snippet from Stephen King's book 'The Stand' where the old woman was telling the deaf-mute about what God wanted him to do.  The deaf-mute wrote out "but I don't believe in God." and the old woman said something to the effect of "Oh it doesn't matter if you believe in God, see, God believes in you!"

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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/23/2007 3:22:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

....Jesus was a pretty damn cool dude, his Pa I probably could do without.  The guy (God...Pa of the "J" man) is probably one of the more intolerant, full of himself A-holes I have ever read about...Would have made a great Dom.


If God would have made a great dominant, was Jesus the 'true' submissive?  And where does that leave the Holy Spirit?
 
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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/23/2007 6:00:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thats interesting.  I don't see Jesus as submissive at all.  He came here for a specific purpose which he fulfilled.   My understanding is that part of the reason that the Jews were reluctant to accept him as Messiah was that they had expected a conquering Messiah.  One who would come and rain fire on the non Jews and put an end to their problems. 

Who came instead was a teacher who was willing to die for all mankind to allow them access to heaven.  I don't think someone who came across as submissive would have been a leader.  Jesus upset the apple cart of the day.  He was revolutionary, unwavering in his criticism of the legalistic Pharisees who cared more for the law than for the people. 

It really gets interesting when you read about the social and political climate of the time Jesus came. 

The Holy Spirit is the comforter and equipper of the church.  That is the part of the trinity that people seem to understand the least.  You have to personally experience what the Holy Spirit can do before you begin to grasp what is possible with the Spirit. 
[If God would have made a great dominant, was Jesus the 'true' submissive?  And where does that leave the Holy Spirit?
 
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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/23/2007 6:53:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would never assume to label Jesus anything... yet he was incredibly submissive.  If he had been anything else, I doubt he would have surrendered to the cross.  But that is another discussion entirely.
Then again, if dominants only rained fire - then there would only be burnt submissives.
Submissives do make great leaders.  They also make kick ass teachers too.
However, Jesus would no doubt have dismissed the idea of being a 'leader' as the word stands today - I presume that he was far too humble a man for that.
Words that exist now, are very different from back then.
 
And I count myself as blessed, I experience the HS every day.
 
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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/23/2007 8:36:44 AM   
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If God would have made a great dominant, was Jesus the 'true' submissive?  And where does that leave the Holy Spirit?

 
You're hitting on some of the key discussion points in Christian BDSM circles.  The answer starts in Phillipians 2:8 where it states of Christ's submission to the Father, "he humbled himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross." (which conincides with John 10:18 regarding His submission to the "command" of the Father)  Now before anyone gets silly, I'm not saying this proves that a submissive who is following Christ has to allow themselves to be killed.  But my point, and that in Scripture, is to emphasize Christ's selflessness, devotion to the one He loves, and obedience to the Father to demonstrate the heart of a selfless submissive.  We (Christian BDSMers) point to Christ for Doms, too, as He demonstrated the life of total authority yet living as one under authority Himself (being submissive to the Father).  So, too, Christian Doms are bound to the authority and will of Christ. I better leave it there or else our notoriously "forunate" member of the diomedeidae family will post links to the myriad times this board has seen the collision of BDSM and Christianity in discussion

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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/23/2007 9:17:09 AM   
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Personally i believe what the ancient (probably more ancient than Judism) religion of the Yoruba who state that all the world's religions hold a piece of the Truth and only through world unity will all the Truth be revealed.


This is my belief as well.  As someone else pointed out we are born into our faith, for the most part, and most of the time we will follow the teachings we were brought up with.  To say one religion is right and the other wrong, one people are going to be saved and the othher damned doesn't make sense to me.  i was raised catholic but always had an interest in learning more than what i was taught strictly from the catholic persepctive.  While i will always value the things christianity taught me, i converted to Buddhism because it simply resonated with me more than christianity - is one better than the other - absolutely not - is one right and the other wrong - absolutely not.  Each is a piece of a puzzle that i am not capable of understanding or figuring out right now.


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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/23/2007 9:18:34 AM   
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If God would have made a great dominant, was Jesus the 'true' submissive?  And where does that leave the Holy Spirit?

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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/23/2007 9:51:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		This trinity thing just complicates the situation.

I suggest that one *cannot* comprehend the true nature and essence of G-d. That's built into the system.

To divide by three, and try to create a clearer model doesn't help.

Thus, the unitarians are *more right*.

But there's a bigger issue:

FIRST COMMANDMENT:
"I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..."

SECOND COMMANDMENT:
"Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."

All this talk of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and all those Jesus Icons are very disturbing, in light of the 10 Commandments.


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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/23/2007 11:27:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I must come from one of the "Other People" that God spoke of when he cursed Caine. Maybe I'm a decendet of Lilith from her wild escapades and affairs with demons.


I can relate to that!  was actually born and raised catholic, (til I was 6, I don't remember alot.) but never felt at home with Christian beliefs.  However I am finding the discussion on the different sects to be interesting.

A general note on Organized religion: (not directed to anybody specifically.) I don't care what you believe/don't believe.  but my problem is when someone has blind faith, in ethier their religion or their church leader/so on so forth.  Just parroting whatever they say,without thinking it out.  To me, someone asking questions shows that they have been listening, they are using their brain.   God gave us our brains, then we should use them! 

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RE: Oneness christians here? - 11/23/2007 11:58:24 AM   
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Are there any more on here? I am Pentecostal (probably the only one to ever be here) and was just wondering if there are any other Jesus-only Christians here.


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